Strength in depth (1 Viewer)

ms639 · Jan 18, 2020

Looking at our squad today it really is brilliant to be able to look at our bench and see we have 3/4 players who can come in and make an impact.

I was really fearful about still being in the FA cup and bemoaned our 2-2 with Bristol rovers, at the time wishing we’d crashed out.

Seeing the depth we’ve got though is something I think really sets us apart in this league. Not only do those players on the bench have ability but they allow us to change the system and come up with a plan b if the 3-4-2-1 is faltering or if the game is starting to get away from us.

Can anyone think of the last time we had a ‘strong’ bench?

Got to whisper it but I’m feeling bloody optimistic now!

#pusb

covcity4life · Jan 18, 2020

I eouldnt have minded jones to come on today isntea dof max a d try the leicester counter attack james vardy balll over top for him to run on to

Johhny Blue · Jan 18, 2020

We didn’t have a 1-1 with Bristol Rovers

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT · Jan 18, 2020

covcity4life said:
I eouldnt have minded jones to come on today isntea dof max a d try the leicester counter attack james vardy balll over top for him to run on to

I think what you mean is, av it.

Skybluefaz · Jan 18, 2020

I only worry CB. The three we have are outstanding. Don't think we have adequate cover but neither can we afford it

shmmeee · Jan 18, 2020

Skybluefaz said:
I only worry CB. The three we have are outstanding. Don't think we have adequate cover but neither can we afford it

Pask looks good enough to cover and then I guess you go back to a back four.

stupot07 · Jan 18, 2020

I know we only play one forward, but I still like to bring in a better striker if we can.

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junglej13 · Jan 18, 2020

Skybluefaz said:
I only worry CB. The three we have are outstanding. Don't think we have adequate cover but neither can we afford it

Williams and Drysdale not bad options as 5th and 6th centre backs either.

Skybluefaz · Jan 18, 2020

shmmeee said:
Pask looks good enough to cover and then I guess you go back to a back four.

Yes, I agree

Evo1883 · Jan 18, 2020

stupot07 said:
I know we only play one forward, but I still like to bring in a better striker if we can.

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I actually think I'm coming to the conclusion that the system itself when we attack is more team focused than striker focused overall.
Therefore we could sign anybody with pedigree and it would make little impact on the goals scored from the front man.

Posh have an abundance of forward talent in toney and eisa yet have only scored 4 goals in their last 8 league 1 games.

What I'm getting at is the way the team plays has as much of an impact on the striker return irrespective of whose playing there

Today we created nothing really for a front man to produce anything...

TTG · Jan 18, 2020

covcity4life said:
I eouldnt have minded jones to come on today isntea dof max a d try the leicester counter attack james vardy balll over top for him to run on to

ccfcway · Jan 18, 2020

Pask looks a player. When Williams came in he didn’t let anyone down ,and from what I have seen so far, drysdale looks very assured. That’s 6 centre backs for now and the future

Londonccfcfan · Jan 18, 2020

Skybluefaz said:
I only worry CB. The three we have are outstanding. Don't think we have adequate cover but neither can we afford it

Yup only area of concern if any for me. But saying that we we could play 4 at the back...hopefully Pask would slot right in.

Mucca Mad Boys · Jan 18, 2020

Skybluefaz said:
I only worry CB. The three we have are outstanding. Don't think we have adequate cover but neither can we afford it

I think Pask could fit in quite nicely at CB, even without him, our young players our capable of filling in for a couple of games.

Unless we’re really unlucky, CB is a strong position.

Londonccfcfan · Jan 18, 2020

Mucca Mad Boys said:
I think Pask could fit in quite nicely at CB, even without him, our young players our capable of filling in for a couple of games.

Unless we’re really unlucky, CB is a strong position.

Yes Im hoping Pask could slot in. Although I have not seen him live yet. So reserve judgement till I see him.

Not sure we could afford the drop in quality from what we have now to a Drysdale/Williams is vast at the moment.

Mucca Mad Boys · Jan 18, 2020

Londonccfcfan said:
Yes Im hoping Pask could slot in. Although I have not seen him live yet. So reserve judgement till I see him.

Not sure we could afford the drop in quality from what we have now to a Drysdale/Williams is vast at the moment.

From my understanding, Pask is a CB by trade, and the early signs from him is that he is a good player.

They’ve been good enough when called upon this season and last, and ultimately, they need game time to develop to become a starter. After all, Hyam was brought in as a 4th choice, development option and went on to win player of the year the next season.

Skybluefaz · Jan 18, 2020

Mucca Mad Boys said:
I think Pask could fit in quite nicely at CB, even without him, our young players our capable of filling in for a couple of games.

Unless we’re really unlucky, CB is a strong position.

I totally forgot Pask played that position. That is a comfort.

stupot07 · Jan 19, 2020

Evo1883 said:
I actually think I'm coming to the conclusion that the system itself when we attack is more team focused than striker focused overall.
Therefore we could sign anybody with pedigree and it would make little impact on the goals scored from the front man.

Posh have an abundance of forward talent in toney and eisa yet have only scored 4 goals in their last 8 league 1 games.

What I'm getting at is the way the team plays has as much of an impact on the striker return irrespective of whose playing there

Today we created nothing really for a front man to produce anything...

I disagree. I think if we had a striker of the quality of McGoldrick, Clarke, Wilson or Armstrong (at the time they played for us) imo we would have won more games this season and would probably be well clear at the top of the table.

Those players made a lot of goals for themselves out of nothing as well as getting on the end of chances created for them by others.

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covcity4life · Jan 19, 2020

stupot07 said:
I disagree. I think if we had a striker of the quality of McGoldrick, Clarke, Wilson or Armstrong (at the time they played for us) imo we would have won more games this season and would probably be well clear at the top of the table.

Those players made a lot of goals for themselves out of nothing as well as getting on the end of chances created for them by others.

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I agree with you

Even someone like ivan Toney who seems to terrorise defences even when doesnt score

Godden baka and bianou are enough to possibly get us promoted but a better striker would increase our chsnces

Londonccfcfan · Jan 19, 2020

Evo1883 said:
I actually think I'm coming to the conclusion that the system itself when we attack is more team focused than striker focused overall.
Therefore we could sign anybody with pedigree and it would make little impact on the goals scored from the front man.

Posh have an abundance of forward talent in toney and eisa yet have only scored 4 goals in their last 8 league 1 games.

What I'm getting at is the way the team plays has as much of an impact on the striker return irrespective of whose playing there

Today we created nothing really for a front man to produce anything...

I agree with Evo on this one.

Pointless having the best strikers in the division if you have a very average defence or midfield.. Like posh.

This year there’s no doubting our area of superiority is the Midfield area. And you could include the wing backs who provide the width.

The midfielders are all different with with different skill sets who are all contributing and scoring vital goals ( apart from Kelly who must surely score soon).

With the likes of Allen/Zain on the bench like yesterday I believe would walk into most teams first X1.

Evo1883 · Jan 19, 2020

covcity4life said:
I agree with you

Even someone like ivan Toney who seems to terrorise defences even when doesnt score

Godden baka and bianou are enough to possibly get us promoted but a better striker would increase our chsnces

I mean this is my point tbh.

Wigan athletic won the division in 17/18 and Ivan toney scored 4 In 24 in the league for them...
Will grigg was their top scorer with 19 in 43.

Godden has 9 in 18 which is a similar ratio to grigg.

The style of play often determines a striker return.

Godden is a good striker at this level.
Wed be hard pressed at this stage to do any better really

covcity4life · Jan 19, 2020

Evo1883 said:
I mean this is my point tbh.

Wigan athletic won the division in 17/18 and Ivan toney scored 4 In 24 in the league for them...
Will grigg was their top scorer with 19 in 43.

Godden has 9 in 18 which is a similar ratio to grigg.

The style of play often determines a striker return.

Godden is a good striker at this level.
Wed be hard pressed at this stage to do any better really

Yeah i agree on that. Way we play maybe even a billy sharpe would only get a few chances per game

That said mcgoldrick could grab ball and score on his own. That is 1 thing we miss from striker in a robins formation

I like godden tho and his stats r pretty good. Goals and assists. I have stood up 4 him on here and jave no peoblems withnhim as maib steiker. I expect he will score another 7 or 8 before season is over

I just wouldnt turn down a leon clarke for e.g if he going in jan!

Londonccfcfan · Jan 19, 2020

covcity4life said:
Yeah i agree on that. Way we play maybe even a billy sharpe would only get a few chances per game

That said mcgoldrick could grab ball and score on his own. That is 1 thing we miss from striker in a robins formation

I like godden tho and his stats r pretty good. Goals and assists. I have stood up 4 him on here and jave no peoblems withnhim as maib steiker. I expect he will score another 7 or 8 before season is over

I just wouldnt turn down a leon clarke for e.g if he going in jan!

Gotta feel sorry sorry for max though. Could have come on earlier for Godden.

Londonccfcfan · Jan 19, 2020

covcity4life said:
Yeah i agree on that. Way we play maybe even a billy sharpe would only get a few chances per game

That said mcgoldrick could grab ball and score on his own. That is 1 thing we miss from striker in a robins formation

I like godden tho and his stats r pretty good. Goals and assists. I have stood up 4 him on here and jave no peoblems withnhim as maib steiker. I expect he will score another 7 or 8 before season is over

I just wouldnt turn down a leon clarke for e.g if he going in jan!

You can go up utomatically without a 20/25 goal striker...many teams have done that. Burton recently from this division.

As long as everyone contributes.

Godden/Biamou/Shipley have already between them. 25 goals in all comps so far.

Ohare/Zain/Walsh contributing also a combined double figures.

Even our left wing back has 3.

Fergusons_Beard · Jan 19, 2020

Skybluefaz said:
I only worry CB. The three we have are outstanding. Don't think we have adequate cover but neither can we afford it

Drysdale & Thompson nearly there.

I can see problems if two out of the three are injured or suspended.

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Skybluefaz · Jan 19, 2020

Fergusons_Beard said:
Drysdale & Thompson nearly there.

I can see problems if two out of the three are injured or suspended.

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I think they are, the trouble is that we are going to be dropping them into high pressure games. It could obviously do them the world of good

stupot07 · Jan 19, 2020

Evo1883 said:
I mean this is my point tbh.

Wigan athletic won the division in 17/18 and Ivan toney scored 4 In 24 in the league for them...
Will grigg was their top scorer with 19 in 43.

Godden has 9 in 18 which is a similar ratio to grigg.

The style of play often determines a striker return.

Godden is a good striker at this level.
Wed be hard pressed at this stage to do any better really

Godden is an average league striker. His 9 goals are bolstered by double hatricks.

He's scored in only 2 of his last 15 games.

No ones saying get rid of him just we're a bit light and if we had a better striker on top of the midfield and defence we have we'd probably be walking the league.

If you have any other opinion that everything is fucking amazing and there is nothing that can be improved on you, hounded as being negative.

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Evo1883 · Jan 19, 2020

stupot07 said:
Godden is an average league striker. His 9 goals are bolstered by double hatricks.

He's scored in only 2 of his last 15 games.

No ones saying get rid of him just we're a bit light and if we had a better striker on top of the midfield and defence we have we'd probably be walking the league.

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I don't understand your logic he has a career ratio of just over a 1 goal in 2 on time played.

That's far better than average

All strikers have games where they score 2 /3 goals here and there so that argument doesn't really work

Liquid Gold · Jan 19, 2020

stupot07 said:
Godden is an average league striker. His 9 goals are bolstered by double hatricks.

He's scored in only 2 of his last 15 games.

No ones saying get rid of him just we're a bit light and if we had a better striker on top of the midfield and defence we have we'd probably be walking the league.

If you have any other opinion that everything is fucking amazing and there is nothing that can be improved on you, hounded as being negative.

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That’s a bit harsh. He had 18 last season, if that’s average how many other teams had an 18 goal striker?

Evo1883 · Jan 19, 2020

Liquid Gold said:
That’s a bit harsh. He had 18 last season, if that’s average how many other teams had an 18 goal striker?

If he signed shirts fans would love him

stupot07 · Jan 19, 2020

Liquid Gold said:
That’s a bit harsh. He had 18 last season, if that’s average how many other teams had an 18 goal striker?

14 in 38 in the league in a really high scoring team that creates loads of chances.

I didnt say he was poor, I said he was average. If you think theres no room for improvement fair enough.

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Londonccfcfan · Jan 19, 2020

Liquid Gold said:
That’s a bit harsh. He had 18 last season, if that’s average how many other teams had an 18 goal striker?

Someone made a point that Godden tends to be feast or famine. Kinda looks that way. 66% of his goals in 2 games.

Every faith in him though.

stupot07 · Jan 19, 2020

Evo1883 said:
I don't understand your logic he has a career ratio of just over a 1 goal in 2 on time played.

That's far better than average

All strikers have games where they score 2 /3 goals here and there so that argument doesn't really work

Of which all bar last season his career was in non league and league 2.

Let compare him with let's say top scorer Ivan Toney

Hes played 25 league games, scored in 13 of them (52%). Maddison takes the pens so hes scored all 15 goals from open play (100%), and therefore he's scored from open play in 13 games (52%).

Goddens played 22 league games and scored in 5 of them (23%), he has 9 league goals, he's scored 3 pens to that's only 6 (66%) from open play, only scoring from open play in 4 games (18%)

The fundamental point I'm making is, if we had a better striker we'd be walking this league. no one saying bomb him out. This whole thread about strength in depth, for me strikers/and goals are still something we're struggling with. I'd happily off load baka and hiwula if we could get bring someone better in.

Are you saying if we had the opportunity to sign someone better you'd turn it down as we don't need them?

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Evo1883 · Jan 19, 2020

stupot07 said:
Of which all bar last season his career was in non league and league 2.

Let compare him with let's say top scorer Ivan Toney

Hes played 25 league games, scored in 13 of them (52%). Maddison takes the pens so hes scored all 15 goals from open play (100%), and therefore he's scored from open play in 13 games (52%).

Goddens played 22 league games and scored in 5 of them (23%), he has 9 league goals, he's scored 3 pens to that's only 6 (66%) from open play, only scoring from open play in 4 games (18%)

The fundamental point I'm making is, if we had a better striker we'd be walking this league. no one saying bomb him out. This whole thread about strength in depth, for me strikers/and goals are still something we're struggling with. I'd happily off load baka and hiwula if we could get bring someone better in.

Are you saying if we had the opportunity to sign someone better you'd turn it down as we don't need them?

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I do think we could do with another striker, but not a replacement.

BTW
Toney has a goal every 148 minutes this season

Godden every 151 minutes.

He's not played 90 minutes in all of those 22 matches so it's unfair to dig at him for it

And again... We didnt create hardly anything yesterday for the front man... But won.

It's the way the team plays that has a bigger impact

Liquid Gold · Jan 19, 2020

And he didn’t have a pre season with the squad and he was carrying an injury and he was out with that injury for two months.

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