Stop thinking the Hartlepool result is any good (1 Viewer)

dongonzalos · Nov 19, 2012

I am happier now I must admit. I thought a lot of you thought our squad is shit and we are mid table if lucky but really we are a relegation battle team.

Yet the same people are saying the Hartlepool result means nothing we should beat them 5-0 at their place..

You have given me faith, you really do know what we are capable of, you think that result is normal and expected from us.

Hartlepool 1-2 Sheffield Utd
Hartlepool 0-0 Bradford FT
Hartlepool 0-1 Crawley Town
Hartlepool 0-1 Crawley Town
Hartlepool 0-2 Tranmere
Hartlepool 0-0 Swindon

Yes I am aware they have taken the odd kicking away but nit on their patch

chickentikkamasala · Nov 19, 2012

dongonzalos said:
I am happier now I must admit. I thought a lot of you thought our squad is shit and we are mid table if lucky but really we are a relegation battle team.

Yet the same people are saying the Hartlepool result means nothing we should beat them 5-0 at their place..

You have given me faith, you really do know what we are capable of, you think that result is normal and expected from us.

Hartlepool 1-2 Sheffield Utd
Hartlepool 0-0 Bradford FT
Hartlepool 0-1 Crawley Town
Hartlepool 0-1 Crawley Town
Hartlepool 0-2 Tranmere
Hartlepool 0-0 Swindon

Yes I am aware they have taken the odd kicking away but nit on their patch

Best get a nit comb

Sutty · Nov 19, 2012

Carlisle
1-4
Leyton Orient

Colchester
2-0
Carlisle

Carlisle
0-4
Notts County

Carlisle
0-2
Crawley

Coventry
1-2
Carlisle

We can all present some 1-sided statistics to support our own agenda. If beating Hartlepool away makes us promotion certainties by your logic then defeat at home to Carlisle makes us relegation battlers.

In reality I think we're a side that will turn a few sides over, but our players that will win us those games (Fleck, Baker, Moussa, etc.) have not been consistent enough to prove we're anything more than that. If they do find a way of playing consistently as they did in the 2nd half on Saturday then we could go on a good run, but as yet there's been nothing to show that this will happen.

covcity4life · Nov 19, 2012

sutty your stats are not as impactful as dongons and you know it

skyblueman · Nov 19, 2012

A win is a win and a good win is a good win

so just enjoy it - it was a good win .. good for team moral.. bring on Colchester

Sutty · Nov 19, 2012

Ok, here's another:

16th - Coventry - games played - 18 GD: -1 Points: 20

18 games is a decent sample size and the conclusion has to be that we've been about the 16th best side in the division over the season so far.

Don's post (and mine in the last post but I was making a silly argument to make a point) uses similar logic to 'Celtic beat Barcelona, so they'd probably win La Liga'.

EDIT: I'm not being negative here, I'd be ecstatic if we put a great run of form together and made the play-offs, but any team can beat another, or indeed lose to another, on their day. We need a really consistent run of results before I'll entertain even the slightest thought of promotion. 5 wins in our last 10 league games is a good, solid start, but it's still not good enough for a play-off spot.

Chinny_Hill · Nov 19, 2012

Sutty said:
Ok, here's another:

16th - Coventry - games played - 18 GD: -1 Points: 20

18 games is a decent sample size and the conclusion has to be that we've been about the 16th best side in the division over the season so far.

Don's post (and mine in the last post but I was making a silly argument to make a point) uses similar logic to 'Celtic beat Barcelona, so they'd probably win La Liga'.

EDIT: I'm not being negative here, I'd be ecstatic if we put a great run of form together and made the play-offs, but any team can beat another, or indeed lose to another, on their day. We need a really consistent run of results before I'll entertain even the slightest thought of promotion. 5 wins in our last 10 league games is a good, solid start, but it's still not good enough for a play-off spot.

I think your point seems to be you can't prove anything with stats, and here are your stats which back this up! I guess your glass is always half empty. I for one am not saying we'll hit the play offs or be relegated. What I am saying is that a 5-0 win away in the league is a good result in any league regardless of the opposition, and evidence that we are on the right track.

Sutty · Nov 19, 2012

Chinny_Hill said:
I think your point seems to be you can't prove anything with stats, and here are your stats which back this up! I guess your glass is always half empty. I for one am not saying we'll hit the play offs or be relegated. What I am saying is that a 5-0 win away in the league is a good result in any league regardless of the opposition, and evidence that we are on the right track.

After a defeat I'd be told I'm too positive because everyone else is suicidal and thinks we're getting relegated.

The Hartlepool result was as good a result as the Scunthorpe one was a bad one. Ultimately though, no conclusions can be drawn from one match. The closest thing we've got to a large sample set of data is the 18 league games played so far. Extrapolating that over the season is not perfect but it gives you a decent idea.

I really hope we're in the promotion shake-up at the end of the season, and I do think there's some ability in the squad, but making the play-offs after the start we had would be unprecedented.

dongonzalos · Nov 19, 2012

chickentikkamasala said:
Best get a nit comb

I really should re-read the predictive text and the Crawley result only happened once !

dongonzalos · Nov 19, 2012

Sutty said:
Carlisle
1-4
Leyton Orient

Colchester
2-0
Carlisle

Carlisle
0-4
Notts County

Carlisle
0-2
Crawley

Coventry
1-2
Carlisle

We can all present some 1-sided statistics to support our own agenda. If beating Hartlepool away makes us promotion certainties by your logic then defeat at home to Carlisle makes us relegation battlers.

In reality I think we're a side that will turn a few sides over, but our players that will win us those games (Fleck, Baker, Moussa, etc.) have not been consistent enough to prove we're anything more than that. If they do find a way of playing consistently as they did in the 2nd half on Saturday then we could go on a good run, but as yet there's been nothing to show that this will happen.

it is not as simple as beating a team or losing to a team. I agree with everyone we should beat hartlepool at their place as our team are not in a relegation battle.

However we beat them 5 nil on their patch. That is a good result and shows what we are capable of.

DMC only scored one of the goals. It is a good result and you can't just write it off as so what.

If it was a one nil then I could see your point.

stupot07 · Nov 19, 2012

dongonzalos said:
it is not as simple as beating a team or losing to a team. I agree with everyone we should beat hartlepool at their place as our team are not in a relegation battle.

However we beat them 5 nil on their patch. That is a good result and shows what we are capable of.

DMC only scored one of the goals. It is a good result and you can't just write it off as do what.

If it was a one nil then I could see your point.

No ones writing it off, it's a good result. But 1 good result doesn't mean anything other than it was a good result.

Sutty · Nov 19, 2012

dongonzalos said:
it is not as simple as beating a team or losing to a team. I agree with everyone we should beat hartlepool at their place as our team are not in a relegation battle.

However we beat them 5 nil on their patch. That is a good result and shows what we are capable of.

DMC only scored one of the goals. It is a good result and you can't just write it off as do what.

If it was a one nil then I could see your point.

It is a very good result, I haven't denied that.

It does show what we're capable of, but then again there are plenty of matches that show what we're capable of at the opposite extreme. As I've said, I do believe there's ability in the squad and if the second half performance becomes the norm then we do have half a chance.

However, it's unfair to make wild extrapolations based on one good game, just as it's unfair to do the same from one bad result.

Covstu · Nov 19, 2012

Lets just hope this is the confidence boost we need to push on at Colchester. Again this is another winnable game so if we have 'clicked' then we can get another 3 points.

skyblueman · Nov 19, 2012

Covstu said:
Lets just hope this is the confidence boost we need to push on at Colchester. Again this is another winnable game so if we have 'clicked' then we can get another 3 points.

Well done Covstu for resisting using the word 'gelled' in that last post

ricohman · Nov 19, 2012

Heres a stat for the pool game, 21 shots 17 on target

kg82 · Nov 19, 2012

This one game more than any other seems to have got people talking. I don't know why, it was a good win, no more no less. Two other very winnable games coming up, I just hope we put together a run.

Not that into stats, but if I'm correct I think MR has a better then 50% win ratio since he took over (overall) and it's about 47% in the league? That's pretty tidy I think.

Astute · Nov 19, 2012

I like the way some said we were hammered against Arsenal away 6-1 when they had world class players and we played well in the first half, but Hartlepool could have had a couple in the first 20 mins and a 5-0 win means nothing as they are a poor side.

To me it was a good result and shows things are going the right way.

SkyblueBazza · Nov 19, 2012

stupot07 said:
No ones writing it off, it's a good result. But 1 good result doesn't mean anything other than it was a good result.

...& 3 points in the bag!

In fairness I would rather take 5 1-0 wins at this stage which would put us in or around the play-offs

Disorganised1 · Nov 19, 2012

The feel-good factor of a 5-0 win should carry over into our ~Tuesday game. I've altered my predicion for that game.

Black6Osprey · Nov 19, 2012

Astute said:
I like the way some said we were hammered against Arsenal away 6-1 when they had world class players and we played well in the first half, but Hartlepool could have had a couple in the first 20 mins and a 5-0 win means nothing as they are a poor side.

To me it was a good result and shows things are going the right way.

It was a good result but one result doesn't show we are going the right way as losing at home to Scunny doesn't show we are going the wrong way. We are going somewhere but I'm not sure where. I would guess it will have two digits though and hope I'm guessing wrong.

covcity4life · Nov 19, 2012

robins doesnt seem like thorn where we will keep making the same mistakes and not learn from it

robvins was shocked we lost to scunthorpe just as i was, the next game yes we rode our luck at first but then we attacked attacked attacked.

tommrow is a big game as it will show us if the players can perform 2 games in a row like that, saturday is also huge as we keep letting ourselves down at home last few yeasrs when it looks like we are gaining momentum, lets hope robins can rectify that too

Otis · Nov 19, 2012

There are freak results all over the place from time to time. We've just got to hope this wasn't a freak result and is a pointer of things to come.

Let's see how we get on tomorrow night and on Saturday before we all start wetting ourselves.

ccfc92 · Nov 19, 2012

Otis said:
There are freak results all over the place from time to time. We've just got to hope this wasn't a freak result and is a pointer of things to come.

Let's see how we get on tomorrow night and on Saturday before we all start wetting ourselves.

Spot on

covcity4life · Nov 19, 2012

Otis said:
There are freak results all over the place from time to time. We've just got to hope this wasn't a freak result and is a pointer of things to come.

Let's see how we get on tomorrow night and on Saturday before we all start wetting ourselves.

same thing over and over

noone is getting carried away

Astute · Nov 19, 2012

We lost to Scunny. Manure just lost to Norwich.

Both freak results? No, just football results.

So winning away and scoring more goals in one game than we had done for years isn't going the right way? Certainly an improvement.

Grendel · Nov 19, 2012

Astute said:
We lost to Scunny. Manure just lost to Norwich.

Both freak results? No, just football results.

So winning away and scoring more goals in one game than we had done for years isn't going the right way? Certainly an improvement.

Yes they are football results. However, we need 2 points per game from now on in. Over 46 games would you say this squad is a 92 point squad? I may get taken in by it if we were not going to lose the top scorer and most energetic central midfielder in January. Ask this - is this "strike force" a 92 points a season attack;

McDonald
Elliot
Ball
O Donovan

No it isn't.

kg82 · Nov 19, 2012

So, if we do lose mcgoldrick in January you don't think we'll at least try and get someone in to replace him?

hill83 · Nov 19, 2012

kg82 said:
So, if we do lose mcgoldrick in January you don't think we'll at least try and get someone in to replace him?

Of course we will. Try being the key word. He won't be difficult to replace, but his goals will.

kg82 · Nov 19, 2012

My point was just the 4 others we have currently were mentioned, whereas in reality we'll have at least one other, if not still mcgoldrick.

stupot07 · Nov 19, 2012

kg82 said:
My point was just the 4 others we have currently were mentioned, whereas in reality we'll have at least one other, if not still mcgoldrick.

It looks as though he doesn't particularly rate Elliot, Ball or Cody not to mention ROD, I would imagine that if McGoldrick goes he'll be looking to bring in 2 strikers.

kg82 · Nov 19, 2012

stupot07 said:
It looks as though he doesn't particularly rate Elliot, Ball or Cody not to mention ROD, I would imagine that if McGoldrick goes he'll be looking to bring in 2 strikers.

I agree. Maybe even if mcgoldrick does stay he could still be looking for 2 more.

skybluegod · Nov 19, 2012

Tbh it's a fantastic result really when you think about it; we scored 5 away from home, we had just came of the back of a defeat, the players looked as though they enjoyed themselves and have finally added some much needed confidence by hammering somebody.

covcity4life · Nov 19, 2012

5 goals in 45 mins lets not forget

some quality finishs too,especially moussa and bartons

the control for bakers second was delightful too and who thought mcgoldrick would miss?

ill take a 1-0 win tommorow of course!

Otis · Nov 19, 2012

Anything other than defeat will be a good result. Would settle for a draw and then a win against Pompey for sure.

SkyblueBazza · Nov 19, 2012

Grendel said:
Yes they are football results. However, we need 2 points per game from now on in. Over 46 games would you say this squad is a 92 point squad? I may get taken in by it if we were not going to lose the top scorer and most energetic central midfielder in January. Ask this - is this "strike force" a 92 points a season attack;

McDonald
Elliot
Ball
O Donovan

No it isn't.

Your 2 points/game is based on the past though Grendel...so it's speculation. Results are generally unpredictable in this league at the moment so in reality it may be a lot less & therefore more achievable.

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