Dovin 5
Milan 6
Thomas 3
Binks 4
Bidwell 4
Allen 4
Torp 3
Rudoni 5
Mason-Clark 4
Simms 4
Sakamoto 4
Wright 4
Thomas-Asante 4
Eccles 4
Palmer 4
Fucking Dogshit. What was the point in all those fancy pre-season games?
We need leaders urgently.
Back 4 were average. Midfield poor except rudoni. Front 3 ineffectual but had little support.Why? Didn't have a shot, put no passes together, gave the ball away, won no second balls, allowed easy crosses constantly. None of them deserve praise today. A 5 is an average performance in a 1-10 rating. Who do you think was above average?!?!
Taking 6 as a benchmark for a competent/expected level, and on the basis of the performance, the lack of energy, creativity and application to get even the basics right, these look about right ~ slight nit pick re Dovin and Bidwell, who I’d probably both rate a mark higher.Dovin 5
MVE 6
Thomas 4
Binks 5
Bidwell 4
Allen 4
Torp 5
Rudoni 6
Sakamoto 5
Simms 6
EMC 4
Subs - who cares
Because you’ve rated almost everyone shite and they weren’t.So why am I deluded for my ratings?
Not how maths works1-10 so average is 5
Madness.Always a laugh these
Worth noting he initially gave Bobby Thomas an 8/10, got some stick on Twitter so reduced it... to 7.5.
If you’re rating players 1-10 then the average is 5.5. Pretty basic.What's half of 10?
So you’re rating players 0-10 then not 1-10Half of 10 is 5. Players can also get 0. You don't know maths
If you’re rating players 1-10 then the average is 5.5. Pretty basic.
Crazy mark for both. Allen tried hard in second half.Thomas 1
Allen 1
Someone told me Eccles is carrying a minor injury.
I thought Torp was dire. Allen struggled but it was mostly just him in the middle. He was totally pedestrian all game.
He always watches a different game to the rest of us.Always a laugh these
Worth noting he initially gave Bobby Thomas an 8/10, got some stick on Twitter so reduced it... to 7.5.
MVE. I would give him 9.5.Was just about to say I can’t understand how MVE isn’t getting an 8 from anyone. He intercepted a lot, was up and down the whole game, got past his man a couple of times in attack as well.
Binks was another 8 for me without seeing his involvement back for the goal yet but not sure that was much his fault and he was very good throughout otherwise.
Simms is still too nice at times. And the rest were all 6’s or lower. Allen is taking some stick so I won’t pile on to that with listing his score (much better second half though tbf).
I don't think he was picked over Eccles, Allen was.Torp isn’t a holding midfielder I found it bizarre he was picked over eccles
Torp sort of played alongside him though, it was 4-2-3-1 I'd say. It didn't work at all.I don't think he was picked over Eccles, Allen was.
Not sure how you can criticise Simms he got 0 service and when he did get the ball was pulled back every time with no free kickI wouldn't of played Palmer as a CDM, Eccles would of fulfilled that position
Palmer would of replaced Torp who was a total passenger today.
I would never start Allen in the Championship, to do so is utterly baffling.
And yes we were poor everywhere. Simms looked like the Simms of the beginning of last season, EMC was very disapointing, Saka tried hard but got little service and the defence looked disjointed. Dovin looked rooted to his line, and Bidwell looked at fault for the goal.
But on a plus note, Sheaf's value has just rocketed.
That’s fair for me. The best midfielders take the ball on the half turn and develop play. Torp needs three touches and then plays it square.When Torp starts a game it always seems to pass him by. When he comes off the bench he shows glimmers of being a good player. But he never really bosses a game. He hasn't got the pace to be a box to box player, not robust enough in the tackle to be a DM and not skilful enough to be an attacking mid.
I think he is destined to be a squad player at this level. Happy if he proves me wrong though.
So he tried hard was still shitCrazy mark for both. Allen tried hard in second half.
That’s fair for me. The best midfielders take the ball on the half turn and develop play. Torp needs three touches and then plays it square.
Most of our players take 2 or 3 touches and do that or play backwardsThat’s fair for me. The best midfielders take the ball on the half turn and develop play. Torp needs three touches and then plays it square.
There does seem so many opportunities to advance the ball that get ignored to instead follow the pattern!Most of our players take 2 or 3 touches and do that or play backwards
We do seem to indulge in some of the worst modern footballing sins.There does seem so many opportunities to advance the ball that get ignored to instead follow the pattern!
Agree with that. I think Sheaf or Eccles with him, gives him the freedom to push on a bit. With Allen playing there (who also isn't a CDM) he ended up playing just as deep as him.Torp sort of played alongside him though, it was 4-2-3-1 I'd say. It didn't work at all.
Agree with that. Especially getting sheaf back in the side before he is soldThis was a proper match not a pre season non contact game. Our midfield was very poor and bullied by a team with loads of their first choice players missing. They were ready for our wingers and tactically out though us in the first half. Second half we bossed it but never looked like scoring. Should have been at least one down at half time. Stoke had no recognised scorers on the pitch yet still looked more likely to put it in the net.
Rudoni's corners were no better than last year and on the ball he takes too many touches on occasion. EMC looked poor, Allen easily knocked off the ball and kept over hitting crucial passes. Torp largely not effective. Simms and Hadji Wright looked like they did at the start of last season.
Someone told me Eccles is carrying a minor injury. We need Sheaf back ASAP.
Isn’t that what we used to say about little Johnny in the under 10sCrazy mark for both. Allen tried hard in second half.
That first attack had me believeing we’d pepper them, but instead we were as toothless as the average person from SunderlandIt was the same as the end of last season lethargic, passing the ball around square and backwards with little attacking intent and allowing the opposition to get set.
Preseason had led us to believe we would be on the front foot, more aggressive and move the ball quicker this season but no sign of that yesterday, well after the 2nd minute anyway.
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