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Stoke Details Confirmed - Saturday 6th January (7 Viewers)

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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Dec 22, 2017
  • #316
Nick said:
Nope, can't see much moaning about away tickets being overpriced.

I think what you are missing is that the Ricoh wouldn't be full with cheaper tickets. If people will only go against Stoke when the tickets are dirt cheap they are hardly going to be returning for the next league game are they?
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No they're not mate, and that's the overall point.

Watching CCFC is no longer desirable.

To get people to go again you need to offer incentives, not charge a price which many people think is too much.
 

Cavan O'Doherty

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 22, 2017
  • #317
Nick said:
Surely we will see tonight with all of the thousands going for a tenner? Should be easy to find other people to go if the price is the factor surely.
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Price of course is not the only issue. The fact that it is league 2 football on a Friday is also obviously a massive factor, but the price is hardly encouraging people to go. Why not just make it say £15 for the Stoke match just to test the waters then surely nobody could complain why they didn't do it again if it didn't work. It's the fact that they're not even trying to put on an enticing offer as let's be honest, who's got 9 mates who want to go and watch Coventry vs Wycombe in league two on a Friday night. The Stoke game was a missed opportunity in my opinion, where they could've plastered the £15 offer everywhere and if it worked great, but if it didn't then at least they tried and all the people that you say make every excuse not to go wouldn't have an excuse.
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Dec 22, 2017
  • #318
Nick said:
Surely we will see tonight with all of the thousands going for a tenner? Should be easy to find other people to go if the price is the factor surely. Look at the reaction to tonight's offer and how many were bothered in the last 2 rounds.

There aren't thousands of people sat at home twitching because they genuinely can't afford to go and watch CCFC and it's all about the price.
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17 messages, 2 yes answers.

I've even commented on here and no one has bitten.

What can I do?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 22, 2017
  • #319
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
No they're not mate, and that's the overall point.

Watching CCFC is no longer desirable.

To get people to go again you need to offer incentives, not charge a price which many people think is too much.
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Yes, but then you also need money to run and pay the players. If you offer it for cheap and nobody takes it up you make losses.

The incentives are match packages, season tickets etc which is guaranteed money in the bank and a much cheaper rate per game.
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 22, 2017
  • #320
Nick said:
Surely we will see tonight with all of the thousands going for a tenner? Should be easy to find other people to go if the price is the factor surely. Look at the reaction to tonight's offer and how many were bothered in the last 2 rounds.

There aren't thousands of people sat at home twitching because they genuinely can't afford to go and watch CCFC and it's all about the price.
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Correct. They're just not interested. How many thousands are you predicting for tonight ?
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 22, 2017
  • #321
Nick said:
Yes, but then you also need money to run and pay the players. If you offer it for cheap and nobody takes it up you make losses.

The incentives are match packages, season tickets etc which is guaranteed money in the bank and a much cheaper rate per game.
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Yeah, of course. The thing is, I don't control the clubs finances. I control my own finances.

I have to balance the books and live within my means!
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 22, 2017
  • #322
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Yeah, of course. The thing is, I don't control the clubs finances. I control my own finances.

I have to balance the books and live within my means!
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Which is where priorities come into it. Everybody will have to balance the books and decide what can stay and what can go.

Some people might prefer to spend £50 on beers twice a week, some might want every penny for the kids for christmas. Everybody has their own situation.
 
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Irish Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 22, 2017
  • #323
chiefdave said:
a) people moaned like hell when we had our own ticketing system
b) its what's used at the Ricoh and therefore already linked to the entry system.
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Should have said why can’t we have our own system that works efficiently. Sorry to sound like the old git that I am. If the club 50 years ago at Highfield Road, before the age of computers, was able to cope with average home crowds of 34k, with very little difficulty( including a huge walk up on the day), why would it be so difficult to have your own system that copes with average gates of 7k in a cavernous, mostly empty stadium. Presumably the club pay Ticket Master, as well as the fans with the £1 admin charge. Cheaper tickets and more profit sounds a good combination.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 22, 2017
  • #324
Irish Sky Blue said:
Should have said why can’t we have our own system that works efficiently. Sorry to sound like the old git that I am. If the club 50 years ago at Highfield Road, before the age of computers, was able to cope with average home crowds of 34k, with very little difficulty( including a huge walk up on the day), why would it be so difficult to have your own system that copes with average gates of 7k in a cavernous, mostly empty stadium. Presumably the club pay Ticket Master, as well as the fans with the £1 admin charge. Cheaper tickets and more profit sounds a good combination.
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The thing with that is our own system still needs to be paid for, maintained, developed etc.
 

Irish Sky Blue

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  • Dec 22, 2017
  • #325
Ticket prices in this country are far too high and are exploiting the fans.
However, that doesn’t excuse clubs over charging in the way that we do. The fact remains that for home fans to watch Exeter they can do so for £16, their cheapest admission price whereas for City it is £23. For families on limited budgets, they might just be tempted by the Exeter £16 whereas £23 may be a step too far. I think for most fans, being able to see their team is the main thing. We sold out the terrace at Accrington, most fans at away games stand. The fact that Exeter’s cheapest ticket is terrace and ours is a seat I don’t think justifies £7 a game increase. Most fans are there for the game not the seat.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 22, 2017
  • #326
Irish Sky Blue said:
Ticket prices in this country are far too high and are exploiting the fans.
However, that doesn’t excuse clubs over charging in the way that we do. The fact remains that for home fans to watch Exeter they can do so for £16, their cheapest admission price whereas for City it is £23. For families on limited budgets, they might just be tempted by the Exeter £16 whereas £23 may be a step too far. I think for most fans, being able to see their team is the main thing. We sold out the terrace at Accrington, most fans at away games stand. The fact that Exeter’s cheapest ticket is terrace and ours is a seat I don’t think justifies £7 a game increase. Most fans are there for the game not the seat.
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So why does it warrant Exeter charging much more for seats too?

For a family on a limited budget sign the kids up to the JSBS and get a family voucher for £22 for a league game so £11 per adult. If you have 2 kids that's 4 vouchers I think, so 4 league games at £11 per adult.

I agree, it's a nationwide issue not just CCFC.
 

Irish Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 22, 2017
  • #327
More to the point, why do Exeter have a section of their ground where fans can watch more cheaply? Presumably because they realise that some of those who stand on the terrace would not go if the starting price for a game was £22.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 22, 2017
  • #328
Irish Sky Blue said:
More to the point, why do Exeter have a section of their ground where fans can watch more cheaply? Presumably because they realise that some of those who stand on the terrace would not go if the starting price for a game was £22.
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Because they don't play at an all seater stadium?

Where are you trying to go with it? How many other clubs charge the same for standing and seating? Even Nuneaton charge you to sit down.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 22, 2017
  • #329
Irish Sky Blue said:
Ticket prices in this country are far too high and are exploiting the fans.
However, that doesn’t excuse clubs over charging in the way that we do. The fact remains that for home fans to watch Exeter they can do so for £16, their cheapest admission price whereas for City it is £23. For families on limited budgets, they might just be tempted by the Exeter £16 whereas £23 may be a step too far. I think for most fans, being able to see their team is the main thing. We sold out the terrace at Accrington, most fans at away games stand. The fact that Exeter’s cheapest ticket is terrace and ours is a seat I don’t think justifies £7 a game increase. Most fans are there for the game not the seat.
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Its very simple. The ticket prices were cut but the attendances didn't rise enough result in less revenue taken. Therefore the club put the prices back up.

If more people had turned up when they were lower they would have stayed low.
 
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Irish Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 22, 2017
  • #330
chiefdave said:
Its very simple. The ticket prices were cut but the attendances didn't rise enough result in less revenue taken. Therefore the club put the prices back up.

If more people had turned up when they were lower they would have stayed low.
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Look at the gates in Mowbray’s/ twenty is plenty season. Average about 12k with some gates of 16k and 17k.
 

Adge

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 23, 2017
  • #331
Nick said:
Because they don't play at an all seater stadium?

Where are you trying to go with it? How many other clubs charge the same for standing and seating? Even Nuneaton charge you to sit down.
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Look-lets tell it how it is and stop this defending Ccfc's corner at every turn. We've established that football tickets in general are too expensive and that includes L2. You have used the examples of Exeter and Lincoln and Luton being £22/£24 as a marker. What you then forget to mention is that these are clubs that are on the up after promotions and fans are more likely to be on board, rather than a club in turmoil, who has alienated most of it's fan base and then get relegated and decided to put the prices up anyway from £20 the season previous.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 23, 2017
  • #332
It's just using facts though rather than pretend outrage.

Exeter have been in league 2 since 2012 after being relegated from League One.

Pricing is too high across the board, it isn't exclusive to us.
 
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Adge

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 23, 2017
  • #333
Nick said:
It's just using facts though rather than pretend outrage.

Exeter have been in league 2 since 2012 after being relegated from League One.

Pricing is too high across the board, it isn't exclusive to us.
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But putting the prices up when relegated is exclusive to us.
Yes im outraged about it,ranting,frothing at the mouth, sniffing glue, have an agenda, looking for likes, backpats aswell and whatever other ones that you like to throw out there. Have I missed any?
 
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chiefdave

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  • Dec 23, 2017
  • #334
Irish Sky Blue said:
Look at the gates in Mowbray’s/ twenty is plenty season. Average about 12k with some gates of 16k and 17k.
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Exactly, the rise in attendances didn't offset the reduction in ticket prices so the club took less money. That can work if you are getting all the other revenue streams but we don't.
 

Irish Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 23, 2017
  • #335
chiefdave said:
Exactly, the rise in attendances didn't offset the reduction in ticket prices so the club took less money. That can work if you are getting all the other revenue streams but we don't.
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12.5K paying £20 brings in more than 7.5K paying £24.
 
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Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Dec 23, 2017
  • #336
Irish Sky Blue said:
12.5K paying £20 brings in more than 7.5K paying £24.
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If we halved the price, the attendance wouldn't double (in my opinion - which is the only one that counts!!) People turn up because they want to go to the/a match.
 

Irish Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 23, 2017
  • #337
Sky Blue Harry H said:
If we halved the price, the attendance wouldn't double (in my opinion - which is the only one that counts!!) People turn up because they want to go to the/a match.
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Not saying half the price but sticking to the twenties plenty ideal sounds fair. ( In reality, still too high but fair enough in current structure).
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 23, 2017
  • #338
Irish Sky Blue said:
12.5K paying £20 brings in more than 7.5K paying £24.
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Except the average ticket price is nothing like that and you've massively overstated the effect lower prices had on attendances:

2015/16, when they reduced the prices, an adult season ticket worked out at £11 per game, concessions were £8. Match tickets were £18 advance, £20 on the gate.

2014/15 average attendance 9,332
2015/16 average attendance 12,570
2016/17 average attendance 9,111

If the total revenues were up then they would have kept the prices at the lower level.
 

pusbccfc

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 29, 2017
  • #339
A mere 7500 sold for this. Looking at the Stoke forum they have sold 3 blocks.

Really poor. Could be more Coventry fans watching us against Chestfield next week than a Premier League side...
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 29, 2017
  • #340
chiefdave said:
Except the average ticket price is nothing like that and you've massively overstated the effect lower prices had on attendances:

2015/16, when they reduced the prices, an adult season ticket worked out at £11 per game, concessions were £8. Match tickets were £18 advance, £20 on the gate.

2014/15 average attendance 9,332
2015/16 average attendance 12,570
2016/17 average attendance 9,111

If the total revenues were up then they would have kept the prices at the lower level.
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A few factors you need to incorporate:

That average in 15/16 would have been considerably higher had Mowbray not fucked things up from Christmas onwards.
The average would have been considerably lower had the prices been higher.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 29, 2017
  • #341
pusbccfc said:
A mere 7500 sold for this. Looking at the Stoke forum they have sold 3 blocks.

Really poor. Could be more Coventry fans watching us against Chestfield next week than a Premier League side...
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It's very poor, but what did they expect? They priced the game with no common sense whatsoever.
 

pusbccfc

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 29, 2017
  • #342
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
It's very poor, but what did they expect? They priced the game with no common sense whatsoever.
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I agree, but around 5000 Coventry sold is poor. It could be embarrassing if Stoke up their sales.
 

Adge

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 29, 2017
  • #343
pusbccfc said:
I agree, but around 5000 Coventry sold is poor. It could be embarrassing if Stoke up their sales.
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It could be-but will send out a clear message.
 

pusbccfc

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  • Dec 29, 2017
  • #344
Adge said:
It could be-but will send out a clear message.
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Of what?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Dec 29, 2017
  • #345
Adge said:
It could be-but will send out a clear message.
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Clear message that this club's support is befitting of its league level

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
 
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Ashdown

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  • Dec 30, 2017
  • #346
The club needed to reach out to fans and lower prices as a marketing exercise but these wankers don't do 'reaching out to fans' do they ?!
 
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smileycov

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  • Jan 5, 2018
  • #347
MatthewWallis said:
5,000 have been sold home + away there won’t be another 10,000 tickets sold
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You still think 15k is unlikely? I think we are st the 12,000 mark now. I’m still hopeful of 15+
 

Londonccfcfan

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  • Jan 5, 2018
  • #348
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
It's very poor, but what did they expect? They priced the game with no common sense whatsoever.
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Over 12000 sold. Could get up to 14k possibly more by 3pm tomorrow.

Biggest gate in 2 years.

As expected the interest in this has STOKED up in the last few days.
 

MatthewWallis

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 5, 2018
  • #349
smileycov said:
You still think 15k is unlikely? I think we are st the 12,000 mark now. I’m still hopeful of 15+
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Yes
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 5, 2018
  • #350
Sky Blue Harry H said:
If we halved the price, the attendance wouldn't double (in my opinion - which is the only one that counts!!) People turn up because they want to go to the/a match.
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Also we wouldn’t get half the profit per ticket. That first tenner has to also pay costs, the second tenner is pure profit as it were.
 
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