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  • Start date Sep 28, 2014
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mrtrench

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  • Sep 28, 2014
  • #36
TheSkyBlueSquirrel said:
Agree 100%
to me he come across as a bully, shouting at players to get a reaction.
if they don't perform they are ostrisised, he doesn't manage them he just bomb squads them out.
pusb
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I am neutral - I don't have enough information to make a decision. However two points from this:

- What makes you think that he shouts at players to get a reaction? Shouting from the touch line doesn't count right? That's the only way to be heard. What makes you think this, and given that Ferguson was famous for it do you also believe that he is a bad manager?
- Why would he waste time with players that do not perform? Why do you think he should?
 

mrtrench

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 28, 2014
  • #37
rupert_bear said:
Waggot is a bullshitter and twats fall for it, I don't. When the history book is written and the truth told people will realise I am right
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What evidence to you have to suggest that Waggot is a liar?

Which book do you imagine is going to be written?
 
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Jack Griffin

Guest
  • Sep 28, 2014
  • #38
Samo said:
I must admit I am starting to wonder why people are so impressed?

His results record?
His transfer market history?
His tactical ability?
His nice new (I watched the world cup) system?

Anyone care to explain?
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He has excellent media skills. I'll give him that.
 
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TheSkyBlueSquirrel

New Member
  • Sep 28, 2014
  • #39
Ferguson was a great man manager that controlled egos within his dressing room, nobody was bigger than the club. He had the capability to influence and change the game against any given scenario.
Pressley is so one dimensional, when his plan doesn't work he he has no alternative. I don't think he has the capability to think on his feet.
not sure the two can really be mentioned in the same sentence.

if you watch and listen to SP in the dugout along with his back room team, (neil and the little bloke that runs the 21s) they seem to constantly be on the backs of players, not with any great instructions, just verbal pressure. It is particularly evident with the younger players. And yes I'm sure they need more help than a senior pro. Sooner or later if there is no substance, it becomes white noise. When his 'style' stops working rather than trying a different tact he gives up on them. Everybody reacts to different things in different ways, a good manager indentifys people's strengths and manages them accordingly.
 
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Samo

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 28, 2014
  • #40
Deleted member 5849 said:
The fact he does have a plan and a vision, and he sees the long game as much as the short one in terms of the need to build a club, not just a team.

It's easy to look at first team performances and judge solely on that, but often it's the legacy left for the managers that follow that's more important - take Newcastle for example, Keegan did well with results but binned the reserve team so there was no easy [path through to the first team for younger players (benefited us as we got Huckerby on the back of that) so after he left, the following managers were running uphill.

We've had similar, focussing on the first team beyond all else, and arguably neglecting a whole generation of players, the likes of Quinn, Betts, Fowler, Thornton as a result. Sure they had issues, but our club culture didn;t help, and that's something only McAllister ever tried to sort out (unsuccessfully).

So ultimately, the manager will be judged on results but they're not the be-all and end-all. We'd have also been in a better position long term, I reckon, had Adams not played Wise in a bunch of meaningless end of season games, but instead used those games to tune the side for the following season.

Problem is, circumstances have meant we haven't been able to try and build while Pressley's been here - Northampton handicapped that. So we've had a bunch of loanees and short term contracts as that's the cards we've been dealt. We need to move away from that, so having a manager who's prepared to0 give chances to the likes of Willis, Haynes, Finch etc. is exactly what we need. Rome wasn't built in a day an' all that.
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Well that's all very nice but he will never get the chance to see it through if he doesn't get the first team sorted. And I would suggest that he has had little choice but to rely on kids, policy or not. He doesn't seem too keen on giving our young strikers a go this season after being allowed to recruit does he? And we are not exactly smashing em in!
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 28, 2014
  • #41
Samo said:
Well that's all very nice but he will never get the chance to see it through if he doesn't get the first team sorted. And I would suggest that he has had little choice but to rely on kids, policy or not. He doesn't seem too keen on giving our young strikers a go this season after being allowed to recruit does he? And we are not exactly smashing em in!
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We are not exactly creating chances for them to smash in.


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Samo

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 28, 2014
  • #42
stupot07 said:
We are not exactly creating chances for them to smash in.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - so please excuse any spelling or grammar errors
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That's true... SP needs to sort it out.
 

skybluebeduff

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 28, 2014
  • #43
He keeps using this shit 5-3-2 which is a tournament formation, it's not suited for 46 games in league football. It's that simple.
 
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ccfcmustang

New Member
  • Sep 28, 2014
  • #44
We are a mid table team, not much else to say. I still dot think this league is that difficult to get out of, one massive striker and a decent centre half and keeper and your half way there. I'm unsure about Pressley, he talks about long term vision and signs 31 year olds and people on one term contracts? He brought a philosophy to the club and changed it once he saw world class players achieving in the World Cup. The formation we play can only breed success with quality players and versatile players capable of playin at wing back, unfortunately we haven't got any quality players. What i think is funny is that Pressley would be a really good manager in the premier league and arguably the championship but in this league you have to be physical and play rough sometimes. Pusb
 

ccfcway

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  • Sep 28, 2014
  • #45
percy said:
he was a hero for keeping us up last season.
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all the more reason why its baffling that he has changed formations and the make up of the squad
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Sep 28, 2014
  • #46
ccfcway said:
all the more reason why its baffling that he has changed formations and the make up of the squad
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Although the time without Clarke and Wilson was dire, so not unexpected he'd try and find a formation not so dependent on them scoring?
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 28, 2014
  • #47
ccfcway said:
all the more reason why its baffling that he has changed formations and the make up of the squad
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To be fair the formation wasn't effective last season once Clarke left......and to think the strike partnership we finished with are playing and scoring in the league above.


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ccfcway

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 28, 2014
  • #48
one game last season, we had 18 shots on target in the 1st half.

We have had 3 in the last 4 games !!
 

Hobo

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  • Sep 28, 2014
  • #49
ccfcway said:
one game last season, we had 18 shots on target in the 1st half.

We have had 3 in the last 4 games !!
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How many goals did we score? Was it a good return? Wolves away today had three shots on target and scored 3 goals, that is a good striking.
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 28, 2014
  • #50
ccfcway said:
one game last season, we had 18 shots on target in the 1st half.

We have had 3 in the last 4 games !!
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You just wait until later in the season. We will be dreaming of 3 goals in 4 games then.
 
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skybluenewman

New Member
  • Sep 28, 2014
  • #51
ccfcmustang said:
We are a mid table team, not much else to say. I still dot think this league is that difficult to get out of, one massive striker and a decent centre half and keeper and your half way there. I'm unsure about Pressley, he talks about long term vision and signs 31 year olds and people on one term contracts? He brought a philosophy to the club and changed it once he saw world class players achieving in the World Cup. The formation we play can only breed success with quality players and versatile players capable of playin at wing back, unfortunately we haven't got any quality players. What i think is funny is that Pressley would be a really good manager in the premier league and arguably the championship but in this league you have to be physical and play rough sometimes. Pusb
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Exactly my thoughts... Well said!!!
 

zuni

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 28, 2014
  • #52
Bob Latchford said:
I really can't make my mind up if he's a good manager or not. did well last season before the exodus of our 'star' players. he's doing okay-ish with the players he has at his disposal this season. however, the five games I've seen thus far,have been very,very,very, boring at best. reminds me of colmans reign.
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think thats the crux of it, he did well with everything against him...that said the plan b isnt there and tbh he seems another strachan (yes man), he should for his own sake say bollocks this is shit and walk...sisu are merely keeping the life support on and we wont get anywere with loans and free's, yes they pay the rent...but thats about it...they need to invest some real cash or go, saying that i agree...pressley shouldnt be allowed to buy the players as he seems to far of the mark so far
 
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The Reverend Skyblue

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 28, 2014
  • #53
His time here is near the end
 

zuni

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 28, 2014
  • #54
i dont think so, only just signed a new contract and sisu wont pay to get rid...
 

Houchens Head

Fairly well known member from Malvern
  • Sep 28, 2014
  • #55
I still can't make my mind up about Elvis. He was a complete unknown (as a manager) to some, when he came here. He struggled to acheive much at Sixfields, but he was always under pressure playing there. He clawed out some good results to keep us at least in with a chance (against the odds - with points deduction). Yet for some reason, he's just not doing it at the moment. I quite like the bloke as a person, he seems genuine enough in regards to his passion for CCFC, but is that enough? He really needs to look at what's happening around the team, change formation and start carving out results.
Having said that, I'm off to take some splinters out of my arse. That's what you get for sitting on the fence!
 

junglej13

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 28, 2014
  • #56
I've been very critical of Pressley at times but to be fair to him it would have been very difficult to attract any half decent players here over the summer with the uncertainty surrounding the club. Next summer (and Jan if we are still in any sort of contention) we will be a far more attractive proposition. Judge Pressley then.
 

The Reverend Skyblue

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 28, 2014
  • #57
The game is all about winning, and if things don't change very very soon he will be history.i have heard the next manager had already been identified.
It was a golden chance to put bums on seats returning to the Ricoh with the way we were playing last season, yet the style of football is atrocious,we could'nt hit a barn door with a banjo.
He has very few weeks to turn this around and supply attacking football.his weeks are numbered if things stay the same,believe me
 
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Samo

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 28, 2014
  • #58
Jack Griffin said:
He has excellent media skills. I'll give him that.
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He does, (just now) does he?
 

ccfcway

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 28, 2014
  • #59
Hobo said:
How many goals did we score? Was it a good return? Wolves away today had three shots on target and scored 3 goals, that is a good striking.
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3 more than us, and we were at home !
 

The Reverend Skyblue

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 28, 2014
  • #60
I am no intellect or smart arse but check my postings,I fortold the rugby franchise a year ago, and I also predicted an NFL franchise at the same time.
pressley has very few weeks to turn this around and put attacking football on the table to fill most of the Ricoh, if not he is history whatever others think. It's make or break for SISU and time is running out.
 

percy

Member
  • Sep 28, 2014
  • #61
we wont sack pressley anytime soon in my opinion. hes just signed a long term deal to put a fee on him should he join another club. its not been a great start and the football aint been great so far but im backing him to come through
 

lewys33

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 29, 2014
  • #62
The thing I cannot stand about Pressley is there is no Plan B. Saturday was a perfect example. 70 mins in, 2-0 down, and STILL trying to play "pretty" football. We were shit at it for 70 mins what is going to change?!
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 29, 2014
  • #63
So the way i see it , is nobody actually likes what he is getting out of the players on the pitch , it seems as though nobody actually has a genuine reason as to why or if steven pressley is the right man to take us forward , thats slightly worrying .
he didnt get progress at falkirk , im not on a one man crusade here , i genuinely want him to do well .
point is last season we shipped a crazy amount of goals , he should have just bought in good solid defenders and have faith in the ones he has bought in like reda , pugh , hines . Play with more width and the pace going forward , playing the midfielders like obrien and swanson in their regular positions instead of out of position , and actually giving our strikers some service to judge wether or not they are infact poor infront of goal .
i do not think we will progress with pressley , i think somebody like gary johnson , who can get a team promoted on a small wage budget , is the type of manager this club crave and financially need
Otis gave a reason which is plausable , he seems to do well with the youngsters , but we need a manager not a development coach , we can employ one of those aside
 
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Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 29, 2014
  • #64
CraigSBA said:
So the way i see it , is nobody actually likes what he is getting out of the players on the pitch , it seems as though nobody actually has a genuine reason as to why or if steven pressley is the right man to take us forward , thats slightly worrying .
he didnt get progress at falkirk , im not on a one man crusade here , i genuinely want him to do well .
point is last season we shipped a crazy amount of goals , he should have just bought in good solid defenders and have faith in the ones he has bought in like reda , pugh , hines . Play with more width and the pace going forward , playing the midfielders like obrien and swanson in their regular positions instead of out of position , and actually giving our strikers some service to judge wether or not they are infact poor infront of goal .
i do not think we will progress with pressley , i think somebody like gary johnson , who can get a team promoted on a small wage budget , is the type of manager this club crave and financially need
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I do think the fact that we have had so many many managers over such a short period of time and that they have all pretty much failed, has left us all a bit apathetic these days.

I know it's not a great argument, but the main one I can come up with is that a manager should be given time, unless it is all going horribly wrong. Don't think 3 straight defeats is quite there yet. We lose say 7 games in a row, then the alarm bells will indeed start going off.
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 29, 2014
  • #65
Otis said:
I do think the fact that we have had so many many managers over such a short period of time and that they have all pretty much failed, has left us all a bit apathetic these days.

I know it's not a great argument, but the main one I can come up with is that a manager should be given time, unless it is all going horribly wrong. Don't think 3 straight defeats is quite there yet. We lose say 7 games in a row, then the alarm bells will indeed start going off.
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You did make a good point and i respect that otis , but 9 league wins in 37 is absolutely awful and 3 in 10 this season so far , this rate its 13 wins 13 draws this season ..52 points .
we have bristol and peterborough at home in october so like we said if he fails to beat either crewe or crawley , then i dont see how his position can remain tenable
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 4, 2014
  • #66
1 point against crawley ....
Crewe (a) bristol city (h) oldham (a) peterborough (h)
anybody think we have what it takes to pick up more than 3 points against this lot
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 4, 2014
  • #67
CraigSBA said:
1 point against crawley ....
Crewe (a) bristol city (h) oldham (a) peterborough (h)
anybody think we have what it takes to pick up more than 3 points against this lot
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I said last week we needed to pick up 6 points from the next 2 to give us some confidence in the tougher games coming up after that. A win next week is absolutely essential, any other result is not acceptable to me. Past that I can easily see us losing the following 3 given the way we are playing at the moment.
 

mark82

Super Moderator
  • Oct 4, 2014
  • #68
CraigSBA said:
Well we did have a team better than half the division , its hardly suprising we clawed out of the 10 point deduction
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I personally think we underachieved last season.
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 4, 2014
  • #69
mark82 said:
I personally think we underachieved last season.
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Yes but you cant say that on here mark , as pressley has less recources than every single manager in the division you would think by the way our supporters pine over him
 
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The Lurker

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  • Oct 4, 2014
  • #70
I'm starting to see resemblances of thorn in him. Same formation, same rubbish spouted out after a game. Giving away leads. Team looking inept final third. Deja vu. Hope he proves us wrong but the decline is happening once again.
 
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