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Stats figures for how much each Championship club has spent (1 Viewer)

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PVA

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  • Apr 23, 2021
  • #36
Never mind the countless studies by statisticians, professors and various other experts that prove there is a direct correlation between wages and league position, Grendel knows best.
 
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skybluesam66

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  • Apr 23, 2021
  • #37
grendel will be doing a bet on Man city for relegation next year
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 23, 2021
  • #38
skybluesam66 said:
grendel will be doing a bet on Man city for relegation next year
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well I won’t as I wouldn’t when Wolves were relegated from the championship - which proves my point
 
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PVA

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  • Apr 23, 2021
  • #39
You seem to be under the impression that people are saying it's a 100% total correlation.

Which absolutely nobody is saying.
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Apr 23, 2021
  • #40
Every single sample of statistical data ever, has anomalies. To suggest there should always be a perfect correlation between spend and success is ridiculous. If that was the case then there would never be any point in playing sport.
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 23, 2021
  • #41
Ccfcisparks said:
Every single sample of statistical data ever, has anomalies. To suggest there should always be a perfect correlation between spend and success is ridiculous. If that was the case then there would never be any point in playing sport.
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No one suggests a perfect correlation

However Clearly large spend in the championship is not as much an indicator of success than in other leagues. The biggest spending club never gets relegated in the Premier L1 or 2 but does happen in this league
 
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skybluesam66

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  • Apr 23, 2021
  • #42
1 Norwich
2 Watford
3 Bournemouth
4 Swansea
5 Brentford

The current top 5 in the league and probably the current top 5 spenders
Grendel , stop digging, there is a correlation, but you can manage your way up and down within that
Sometimes there is a time to keep quiet
 
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procdoc

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  • Apr 23, 2021
  • #43
skybluesam66 said:
1 Norwich
2 Watford
3 Bournemouth
4 Swansea
5 Brentford

The current top 5 in the league and probably the current top 5 spenders
Grendel , stop digging, there is a correlation, but you can manage your way up and down within that
Sometimes there is a time to keep quiet
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I wouldn’t say Swansea or even Brentford are amongst the biggest spenders. Brentford spent a lot on Toney but they recouped huge money for Watkins and Berahima
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Apr 23, 2021
  • #44
Grendel said:
No one suggests a perfect correlation

However Clearly large spend in the championship is not as much an indicator of success than in other leagues. The biggest spending club never gets relegated in the Premier L1 or 2 but does happen in this league
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When has the BIGGEST spending club been relegated from this division?
 
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cov donkey kick

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  • Apr 23, 2021
  • #45
Wage wise the club getting value for money looking at wage wise .
 

chiefdave

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  • Apr 23, 2021
  • #46
Pretty sure if we spent £10m plus on a striker and he was no better than Biamou or Baka people would be saying we'd messed up. They certainly wouldn't be saying you can't expect him to be any better just because he cost millions.
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 23, 2021
  • #47
skybluesam66 said:
1 Norwich
2 Watford
3 Bournemouth
4 Swansea
5 Brentford

The current top 5 in the league and probably the current top 5 spenders
Grendel , stop digging, there is a correlation, but you can manage your way up and down within that
Sometimes there is a time to keep quiet
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Brentford were in the play offs with a 3rd of the wage bill of Sunderland it was £17 million - I have also said the parachute payment clubs should be excluded - if you can’t comprehend data this isn’t my problem
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 23, 2021
  • #48
chiefdave said:
Pretty sure if we spent £10m plus on a striker and he was no better than Biamou or Baka people would be saying we'd messed up. They certainly wouldn't be saying you can't expect him to be any better just because he cost millions.
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This is where again the conversation gets confused. Is it wages or money spent on new players?
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 23, 2021
  • #49
procdoc said:
I wouldn’t say Swansea or even Brentford are amongst the biggest spenders. Brentford spent a lot on Toney but they recouped huge money for Watkins and Berahima
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It’s funny when someone says “you haven’t a clue” and show it’s they who haven’t
 
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procdoc

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  • Apr 23, 2021
  • #50
Grendel said:
It’s funny when someone says “you haven’t a clue” and show it’s they who haven’t
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I think some people like to try and have a dig just for the sake of it.
 
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PVA

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  • Apr 23, 2021
  • #51
 
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cov donkey kick

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  • Apr 23, 2021
  • #52
Budget for every player has to be total costs including wages over the whole contract .it's not just initial cost as both are linked.
 

chiefdave

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  • Apr 23, 2021
  • #53
Grendel said:
This is where again the conversation gets confused. Is it wages or money spent on new players?
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Can fairly confidently say that any player we sign for £10m will be on higher wages than Biamou or Baka,.
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Apr 23, 2021
  • #54
Grendel said:
Brentford were in the play offs with a 3rd of the wage bill of Sunderland it was £17 million - I have also said the parachute payment clubs should be excluded - if you can’t comprehend data this isn’t my problem
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Parachute payments clubs? So a 1/3 of the league?
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 23, 2021
  • #55
procdoc said:
I think some people like to try and have a dig just for the sake of it.
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The problem is no one knows what they mean

If club a spends £30 million on new players and sells £40 million while club B spends £4 million and sells £1 million whose got the biggest budget on transfers. I’d argue B as they’ve improved net spend

Likewise if club A has a £30 million wage bill and next season it’s targeted to reduce to £20 million while club b has £4 million increasing to £7 million in net terms A is a depreciating asset strategy while b is increasing so personally I’d rather be I. Charge of B

am As I’ve also pointed out no one actually can explain budgets and cannot understand even if there is a budget the smallest budget club could spend more than the highest
 
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Frostie

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  • Apr 23, 2021
  • #56
Grendel said:
Brentford were in the play offs with a 3rd of the wage bill of Sunderland it was £17 million - I have also said the parachute payment clubs should be excluded - if you can’t comprehend data this isn’t my problem
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Just exclude a quarter of the league then sure...

Also, whilst saying that, you are simultaneously using Hull & Sunderland's wage bills from 2 years ago in comparison to Brentford's at same time knowing full well that Hull & Sunderland were receiving parachute payments then

You make some very valid observations but I think you need to decide what point it is you are trying to make.
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Apr 23, 2021
  • #57
Grendel said:
The problem is no one knows what they mean

If club a spends £30 million on new players and sells £40 million while club B spends £4 million and sells £1 million whose got the biggest budget on transfers. I’d argue B as they’ve improved net spend

Likewise if club A has a £30 million wage bill and next season it’s targeted to reduce to £20 million while club b has £4 million increasing to £7 million in net terms A is a depreciating asset strategy while b is increasing so personally I’d rather be I. Charge of B

am As I’ve also pointed out no one actually can explain budgets and cannot understand even if there is a budget the smallest budget club could spend more than the highest
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So therefore, Wycombe, who have increased their budget this year, have a greater transfer budget than Bournemouth, who have reduced theirs this year?
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 23, 2021
  • #58
Ccfcisparks said:
Parachute payments clubs? So a 1/3 of the league?
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I mean the 3 immediately relegated
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Apr 23, 2021
  • #59
Grendel said:
I mean the 3 immediately relegated
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But all clubs relegated in the previous 4 years will be receiving parachute payments so is that not skewing the data also?
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 23, 2021
  • #60
Ccfcisparks said:
So therefore, Wycombe, who have increased their budget this year, have a greater transfer budget than Bournemouth, who have reduced theirs this year?
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As I said I’ve excluded the 3 relegated clubs and I’m not sure Wycombe even have increased - if Wycombe sold a player for £59 million and bought 3 for £39 million they have a net decline spend - also again you are picking extremes
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Apr 23, 2021
  • #61
Grendel said:
As I said I’ve excluded the 3 relegated clubs and I’m not sure Wycombe even have increased - if Wycombe sold a player for £59 million and bought 3 for £39 million they have a net decline spend - also again you are picking extremes
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Is Barnsley not an extreme, being as they are so against the trend of the data?
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 23, 2021
  • #62
Ccfcisparks said:
But all clubs relegated in the previous 4 years will be receiving parachute payments so is that not skewing the data also?
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No as you then get into wage above revenue and risk of losses and that’s why teams like Hull and Huddersfield see declines and in my view are worse off than promoted upward coming clubs. We even saw that when we were relegated from the premier league. Lee Hughes was on £17k a week and one of the highest paid players but we’d asset stripped and after that season it was boom
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Apr 23, 2021
  • #63
Grendel said:
No as you then get into wage above revenue and risk of losses and that’s why teams like Hull and Huddersfield see declines and in my view are worse off than promoted upward coming clubs. We even saw that when we were relegated from the premier league. Lee Hughes was on £17k a week and one of the highest paid players but we’d asset stripped and after that season it was boom
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What about teams like Aston Villa, that had a few years in the Championship but never asset stripped. They were still spending mega wages year on year.
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 23, 2021
  • #64
Ccfcisparks said:
What about teams like Aston Villa, that had a few years in the Championship but never asset stripped. They were still spending mega wages year on year.
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Answer this question

- Would Man Utd in reality ever without points deductions he relegated from the premier league - really?
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Apr 23, 2021
  • #65
Grendel said:
Answer this question

- Would Man Utd in reality ever without points deductions he relegated from the premier league - really?
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Typically, no. But there is always the chance, I'm sure the same was said about Newcastle in the 90's. Surely that defeats your idea that budget doesn't correlate to league position typically?
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 23, 2021
  • #66
Ccfcisparks said:
Typically, no. But there is always the chance, I'm sure the same was said about Newcastle in the 90's. Surely that defeats your idea that budget doesn't correlate to league position typically?
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There isn’t a chance in hell actually and Newcastle were a yo yo club with poor finances

Stick with it - league 1 and say Sunderland - would they have any chance of being relegated to league 2 without points deductions etc
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Apr 23, 2021
  • #67
Grendel said:
There isn’t a chance in hell actually and Newcastle were a yo yo club with poor finances

Stick with it - league 1 and say Sunderland - would they have any chance of being relegated to league 2 without points deductions etc
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Why couldn't they be?
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 23, 2021
  • #68
Ccfcisparks said:
Why couldn't they be?
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You are being obtuse. Have they? Have they looked likely to be and while we are at it in league two were we or Portsmouth likely to be relegated at anytime in those leagues?
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Apr 23, 2021
  • #69
Grendel said:
You are being obtuse. Have they? Have they looked likely to be and while we are at it in league two were we or Portsmouth likely to be relegated at anytime in those leagues?
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I'm sure the same could be said when we went down to League 1. Any team getting relegated is never assumed to be relegated straight through the league they drop into, but it can happen. Teams fail to get promoted, expectations adjust, team falls lower in the league. In all honesty G this seems like deflection and like you are clutching at straws to be honest as many people are poking holes in your theories.
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 23, 2021
  • #70
Ccfcisparks said:
I'm sure the same could be said when we went down to League 1. Any team getting relegated is never assumed to be relegated straight through the league they drop into, but it can happen. Teams fail to get promoted, expectations adjust, team falls lower in the league. In all honesty G this seems like deflection and like you are clutching at straws to be honest as many people are poking holes in your theories.
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We didn’t get relegated and when we did we’d by then had a very small wage bill

In the championship there have been more Clubs with top end wage bills and income relegated than in any other league

It’s a fact
 
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