Non AMP
Sky Blues Talk
  • Home
  • Forums
  • Coventry City Football Club
  • Coventry City General Chat
This is a mobile optimized page that loads fast, if you want to load the real page, click this text.

Statement Issued By Sky Blue Trust (3 Viewers)

  • Thread starter Sub
  • Start date Mar 18, 2014
Forums New posts
Prev
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
Next
First Prev 2 of 4 Next Last

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #36
fernandopartridge said:
Wonder why there is a 50% increase in match day costs from one season to the next?
Click to expand...

Didn't ACL offer to subsidise the remainder of this season as SISU would have to pay compensation to Northampton if they left part way through a season?
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #37
chiefdave said:
It's an odd arguement that the Ricoh should be the same cost as Sixfields. I'm sure if you wanted to hire a ground and Sphinx and the Ricoh both quoted you the same rate you'd think it was a bit odd given that one is obviously a much better facility than the other.
Click to expand...

It is, but at the end of the day you only want a bit of grass, some seats, toilets and changing room. At the end of the day the cost is only what ACL are willing to rent it out for and what the club are willing to pay. They are charging other tenants considerably less than us. yes we would have first call but at the end of the day we will only use it 23-25 days per year, I can't see them renting office space or the shop if we go back as tenants next season.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - so please excuse any spelling or grammar errors
 
J

Jack Griffin

Guest
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #38
fernandopartridge said:
Wonder why there is a 50% increase in match day costs from one season to the next?
Click to expand...

I asked that question in this very forum, the best answer I can come up with is that if you do the sums the total for the first year is the about same as the Sixfields deal is said to be, ~200K. I guess one can only put down as a commercial decision, again I think it is a mistake, better to keep it simple and spread the butter evenly IMHO.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #39
stupot07 said:
It is, but at the end of the day you only want a bit of grass, some seats, toilets and changing room. At the end of the day the cost is only what ACL are willing to rent it out for and what the club are willing to pay. They are charging other tenants considerably less than us. yes we would have first call but at the end of the day we will only use it 23-25 days per year, I can't see them renting office space or the shop if we go back as tenants next season.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - so please excuse any spelling or grammar errors
Click to expand...

Exactly! It would just be the football facilities needed.

Do we get pie money at Sixfields too? If I remember they said they get a % too (not that many sell)
 
J

Jack Griffin

Guest
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #40
Nick said:
Exactly! It would just be the football facilities needed.

Do we get pie money at Sixfields too? If I remember they said they get a % too (not that many sell)
Click to expand...

Whoopee doo! I guess a cut off 100-200 pies will save SISU's bacon then, could be as much as £100 pure profit that!
 

lewys33

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #41
It's AAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLL about the pies!
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #42
Jack Griffin said:
Whoopee doo! I guess a cut off 100-200 pies will save SISU's bacon then, could be as much as £100 pure profit that!
Click to expand...

I am talking about the deal they are getting in both places
 

blueflint

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #43
ccfcway said:
great, but that was months ago. We need a ACL response to what is on the table for the 2014/15 season. CT / Trust need to publish this offer and use it to ask "WHY", if there is no reason at all why we are in Northampton. Clearly SISU are not going to accept a 10 year deal, so has that been revised ?
Click to expand...


as i remember it the football league say it must be ten years they won't accept less
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #44
blueflint said:
as i remember it the football league say it must be ten years they won't accept less
Click to expand...

There is a FL rule saying you must have at least 10 years on your lease but I think ACL also offered a deal for the remainder of this year and the next two seasons taking us up to when our new ground is ready!
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #45
chiefdave said:
There is a FL rule saying you must have at least 10 years on your lease but I think ACL also offered a deal for the remainder of this year and the next two seasons taking us up to when our new ground is ready!
Click to expand...

What do we have at Sixfields?
 

blueflint

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #46
ccfcway said:
agreed, but I am tryinmg to understand how much difference there is. I cant get my head around why the match days costs would be so different. Only thing that would make sense is that more people = more costs, but in that case, it would also = more income !
Click to expand...


hey i think you got it
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #47
Nick said:
What do we have at Sixfields?
Click to expand...

3 years with a possible extension to 5, under one of the FL's exemptions to their own rules.
 

lewys33

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #48
blueflint said:
as i remember it the football league say it must be ten years they won't accept less
Click to expand...

I think thats what the rules say, and of course the FL are very good at following those. We must have a 10 year lease at sixfields!
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #49
Nick said:
What do we have at Sixfields?
Click to expand...

A massive boycott.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #50
Nick said:
What do we have at Sixfields?
Click to expand...

Rumour has it, a 3-5 year deal with break clauses every couple of months.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #51
So IF the FL can allow that, pretty sure that could allow a short term agreement at the Ricoh?
 

James Smith

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #52
ccfcway said:
great, but that was months ago. We need a ACL response to what is on the table for the 2014/15 season. CT / Trust need to publish this offer and use it to ask "WHY", if there is no reason at all why we are in Northampton. Clearly SISU are not going to accept a 10 year deal, so has that been revised ?
Click to expand...

I would guess that the offer is still on the table but Mr Labovitch has said that they won't go back to renting from the council. Can't remember which offer he was declining, but I think he said it on CWR on the breakfast show with Shane and it may be available to listen on YouTube.
 

James Smith

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #53
Nick said:
So IF the FL can allow that, pretty sure that could allow a short term agreement at the Ricoh?
Click to expand...

You'd like to think that they would but have the club/Sisu even asked them before rejecting the ACL offers? They could have gone back to ACL at that stage and said we're not having 10 years but we've got permission for 3-5 is the same deal possible for that length of time? If ACL had said no then we could have lumped the blame on them.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #54
James Smith said:
You'd like to think that they would but have the club/Sisu even asked them before rejecting the ACL offers? They could have gone back to ACL at that stage and said we're not having 10 years but we've got permission for 3-5 is the same deal possible for that length of time? If ACL had said no then we could have lumped the blame on them.
Click to expand...

ACL have already offered a 3 year deal, the rest of this season (offered before Xmas) and then the next two seasons.
 

James Smith

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #55
chiefdave said:
ACL have already offered a 3 year deal, the rest of this season (offered before Xmas) and then the next two seasons.
Click to expand...

Yeah I know and I just thought - as that one went through the FL, that maybe ACL took the initiative on reducing the minimum term so that they could make the offer.
 
T

The Gentleman

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #56
blueflint said:
as i remember it the football league say it must be ten years they won't accept less
Click to expand...

10 years would be perfect. That's how long it will take to get Legoland up and running.
 

ccfcway

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #57
James Smith said:
You'd like to think that they would but have the club/Sisu even asked them before rejecting the ACL offers? They could have gone back to ACL at that stage and said we're not having 10 years but we've got permission for 3-5 is the same deal possible for that length of time? If ACL had said no then we could have lumped the blame on them.
Click to expand...

so it which case the FL should get involved and broker the rent. SISU pay FL, FL pay ACL.

If said Ricoh rental all in is £400k a year on a rolling 1 season contract, I fail to see how there is any excuse from FL or SISU as to why we are not back at the Ricoh next season.

If we are still at Sixfields next season, the protest campaign should be "DO THE MATHS"
 

ccfcway

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #58
The Gentleman said:
10 years would be perfect. That's how long it will take to get Legoland up and running.
Click to expand...

thats plenty of time, it only takes 3 weeks to announce where the stadium is going to be
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #59
ccfcway said:
I fail to see how there is any excuse from FL or SISU as to why we are not back at the Ricoh next season.
Click to expand...

Once it got to the point that the offers from ACL couldn't be reasonably rejected Fisher and Labovich started saying there's no way they could go back renting as they couldn't work with ACL. Don't really see why not, if the deal is on the table and you take it until the new stadium is ready there's no need to work with them really, you just pay the rent and that's it. Would only be an issue if there isn't actually a new stadium.
 

sky blue john

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #60
All sounds lovely but people are forgetting its not what Sisu want !!
They are out to break ACL and there is a little matter of the JR which is not for their benefit. So obviously they won't be claiming damages if they win !!!
 

ccfcway

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #61
chiefdave said:
Once it got to the point that the offers from ACL couldn't be reasonably rejected Fisher and Labovich started saying there's no way they could go back renting as they couldn't work with ACL. Don't really see why not, if the deal is on the table and you take it until the new stadium is ready there's no need to work with them really, you just pay the rent and that's it. Would only be an issue if there isn't actually a new stadium.
Click to expand...

100% agree. Yet is seems only us fans are asking that question. What pressure have CCC put on FL to bring SISU to the table ? What pressure have CT put on FL, show them the offer and ask them to broker the deal. SISU are getting off with the spin and no-one is taking them to task.
 

James Smith

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #62
ccfcway said:
so it which case the FL should get involved and broker the rent. SISU pay FL, FL pay ACL.

If said Ricoh rental all in is £400k a year on a rolling 1 season contract, I fail to see how there is any excuse from FL or SISU as to why we are not back at the Ricoh next season.

If we are still at Sixfields next season, the protest campaign should be "DO THE MATHS"
Click to expand...

Part of the problem is the NOPM campaign that Sisu have going against ACL and I suspect that is a large part of the refusal to return.
 
W

wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #63
chiefdave said:
Once it got to the point that the offers from ACL couldn't be reasonably rejected Fisher and Labovich started saying there's no way they could go back renting as they couldn't work with ACL. Don't really see why not, if the deal is on the table and you take it until the new stadium is ready there's no need to work with them really, you just pay the rent and that's it. Would only be an issue if there isn't actually a new stadium.
Click to expand...

To accept would be to make a mockery of the legal argument that they were forced out ,involve the FL in an area they say they have no sway over.

There Is no more ACL can do other than go out of existence .
 

ccfcway

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #64
James Smith said:
Part of the problem is the NOPM campaign that Sisu have going against ACL and I suspect that is a large part of the refusal to return.
Click to expand...

It can be the ONLY reason, surely ?

I dont like paying road tax, but if want to drive my car on the road, I have to pay the tax. SISU might not like ACL, but if they WANT to play in Coventry and reap the comparable financial benefits of over 10,000 coventry fans each game, they would pay ACL.
 

letsallsingtogether

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #65
But if you read his latest comedy piece he has now said SBT Members, so "not everyone agrees with Sisu" in their ranks his Quote but all SBT members are in agreement with what they stand for?

So yes some of us can be abusive but would that change whether we were in the trust or not!!!!

Do we not have our own thoughts are we not allowed to vent our anger at who we see as at fault whether that be Sisu CCC ACL or all jointly.


Sorry but shows them for what they are.


Nick said:
Weren't SISU going on about it months ago before the accounts even came out when they were calling them Lions led by Donkeys?
Click to expand...
 
J

Jack Griffin

Guest
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #66
blueflint said:
as i remember it the football league say it must be ten years they won't accept less
Click to expand...

Unless it is a temporary relocation :thinking about:
 
J

Jack Griffin

Guest
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #67
shmmeee said:
Rumour has it, a 3-5 year deal with break clauses every couple of months.
Click to expand...

Interestingly the line Fisher took early doors in the move was..
The Telegraph understands there is a get-out clause in the deal with the Cobblers but a defiant Fisher insists: “In order to break that it would be very expensive. The deal has been done.”
Click to expand...
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sp...try-city-groundshare-northampton-town-4922123
 

Covcraig@bury

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #68
Correct me if I am wrong, but I was at the Tranmere game and over heard some lads saying the Trust was trying to get on the committee for the new stadium with Sandra Garlic. So if true and the ground goes ahead (lala land)the Trust would want to be part of this Outside Coventry!!! In which case they to me will do anything to get on the Board. Can anyone confirm this rumour ?
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #69
Covcraig@bury said:
Correct me if I am wrong, but I was at the Tranmere game and over heard some lads saying the Trust was trying to get on the committee for the new stadium with Sandra Garlic. So if true and the ground goes ahead (lala land)the Trust would want to be part of this Outside Coventry!!! In which case they to me will do anything to get on the Board. Can anyone confirm this rumour ?
Click to expand...

The trust asked it's members to vote on if they should request to be involved, making it clear that being involved would not mean the trust was endorsing the club being located outside of the city and the members voted in favour so they requested a place on the committee and were rejected by Garlick. Speaking of the committee it all seems to have gone very quiet.
 

Covcraig@bury

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 18, 2014
  • #70
chiefdave said:
The trust asked it's members to vote on if they should request to be involved, making it clear that being involved would not mean the trust was endorsing the club being located outside of the city and the members voted in favour so they requested a place on the committee and were rejected by Garlick. Speaking of the committee it all seems to have gone very quiet.
Click to expand...

I smell a rat within the Trust leadership. And I dont think I could Trust them . Is there a Trust member on to confirm this ? and why jump into bed with Garlic ?
 
Prev
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
Next
First Prev 2 of 4 Next Last
You must log in or register to reply here.

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 4 (members: 0, guests: 4)
Share:
Facebook Twitter Reddit Pinterest Tumblr WhatsApp Email
  • Home
  • Forums
  • Coventry City Football Club
  • Coventry City General Chat
  • Default Style
  • Contact us
  • Terms and rules
  • Privacy policy
  • Help
  • Home
Community platform by XenForo® © 2010-2021 XenForo Ltd.
Menu
Log in

Register

  • Home
  • Forums
    • New posts
    • Search forums
  • What's new
    • New posts
    • Latest activity
  • Members
    • Current visitors
  • Donate to the Season Ticket Fund
X

Privacy & Transparency

We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

  • Personalized ads and content
  • Content measurement and audience insights

Do you accept cookies and these technologies?

X

Privacy & Transparency

We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

  • Personalized ads and content
  • Content measurement and audience insights

Do you accept cookies and these technologies?