I personally find this a really tough dilemma and one of the biggest problems in the game as it is. Obviously, ideal world, referees get decisions right every time. That however is completely unrealistic.
At the other end of the spectrum is VAR which I think I speak for most football fans when I say I absolutely cannot stand it, and think its ruins the spectacle. While I agree referees should be held accountable for poor decisions, and more importantly poor fitness, I can't help but feel the clamour for constantly 'perfect' refereeing decisions is what has got us to where we currently are with VAR.
We should be looking to improve refereeing at every opportunity, but I would rather a human referee made mistakes then deal with VAR and its affect on the game. I guess sometimes it's better the devil you know...
I personally find this a really tough dilemma and one of the biggest problems in the game as it is. Obviously, ideal world, referees get decisions right every time. That however is completely unrealistic.
At the other end of the spectrum is VAR which I think I speak for most football fans when I say I absolutely cannot stand it, and think its ruins the spectacle. While I agree referees should be held accountable for poor decisions, and more importantly poor fitness, I can't help but feel the clamour for constantly 'perfect' refereeing decisions is what has got us to where we currently are with VAR.
We should be looking to improve refereeing at every opportunity, but I would rather a human referee made mistakes then deal with VAR and its affect on the game. I guess sometimes it's better the devil you know...
Personally think it's not necessarily the way its being utilized but the nature of the sport itself, that's not to say there isn't some elements of the former though. In the sports it works: cricket, tennis, rugby, they are much slower with many more natural breaks. After a bowl, rally etc. Football is much more fluid. It also has a partisan crowd that we are all a part of and the release you get from a goal is what makes the magic. I personally don't think the release for a try, a point in tennis or a wicket is the same. A moment of ecstasy. Make that moment delayed or reviewed and it dampens the environment and eutrophic feeling we all love.I would prefer to say I can't stand it in the way it's been implemented.
It can help but the way it been used and for what is totally against how it would be most effective. Also staggering the number of things that are reviewed and still seem to be got wrong. Even correct decisions being overturned for wrong ones IMO in some cases.
Some of that is to do with the laws being too subjective and that ambiguity makes the entire thing pointless, but stuff like spending two minutes deciding if they've got a pube offside isn't what is was designed for. Making decision that are within the margin of error for the frame rate too.
Still think it can be an improvement, but it needs a radical rethink on the way it's being used at the moment. It's been helpful in so many other sports why has it been such a disaster in football? Got to suggest rather than the technology it's the way this sport in particular is utilising it.
I feel like it is much better tbh.I wrongly assumed the standard would go up from League 1. Its been absolutely rotten.
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Do you think its good or do you just think League 1 was even worse?I feel like it is much better tbh.
I can't ever remember thinking a ref had a good game in L1 and L2.Do you think its good or do you just think League 1 was even worse?
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Ha pretty much agree, don't think the mugs we've had this season have been any better thoughI can't ever remember thinking a ref had a good game in L1 and L2.
Personally think it's not necessarily the way its being utilized but the nature of the sport itself, that's not to say there isn't some elements of the former though. In the sports it works: cricket, tennis, rugby, they are much slower with many more natural breaks. After a bowl, rally etc. Football is much more fluid. It also has a partisan crowd that we are all a part of and the release you get from a goal is what makes the magic. I personally don't think the release for a try, a point in tennis or a wicket is the same. A moment of ecstasy. Make that moment delayed or reviewed and it dampens the environment and eutrophic feeling we all love.
Secondly, as you said the rules don't allow for it. Handball was introduced to football to separate it from rugby. Offside was to prevent goal hanging. Now we have taken those rules and magnified them by 100000 and put them under the microscope that says, if someone's armpit is 1mm offside it's not a goal. If it hits someone's hand from a metre, it's a penalty. I think most sane people think this is nonsense. While it created some level of inconsistency, a 'normal' ref decision takes into account subjectivity. A subjectivity I think we all actually love and is a core of the reason we love football. It's a game of opinions after all. If you take away that subjectivity you are left with some weird scientific mess that no one really cares for.
Sorry I am dithering. I guess what I am trying to say without sounding like an obnoxious prick is, I don't think it works in football because football's rules aren't clearly defined which is what makes it such a good sport. The one thing it definitely works with is goal line technology and I don't think a single person would argue against it as it's definitive, it's definitely improved football.
It’s fake news. They’re trying to hide the fact that all the refs are against us
For me it has to be more standardised. Handball is handball regardless but the sanctions for it are much reduced, esp in the penalty area where it's only an indirect free-kick. Offside is offside regardless of if you touch the ball. If you're on the pitch you're trying to affect the game.
Referees don’t make the laws. They just enforce them.I've heard this idea on podcasts and like the idea a lot. A penalty is a ridiculous punishment for an unintentional handball. Making every time the ball touches a hand, handball, and making the punishment an indirect free kick (unless intentional like goal line save etc) seems on the face of it a very sensible idea and one I can get behind.
Football has laws not rules lolPersonally think it's not necessarily the way its being utilized but the nature of the sport itself, that's not to say there isn't some elements of the former though. In the sports it works: cricket, tennis, rugby, they are much slower with many more natural breaks. After a bowl, rally etc. Football is much more fluid. It also has a partisan crowd that we are all a part of and the release you get from a goal is what makes the magic. I personally don't think the release for a try, a point in tennis or a wicket is the same. A moment of ecstasy. Make that moment delayed or reviewed and it dampens the environment and eutrophic feeling we all love.
Secondly, as you said the rules don't allow for it. Handball was introduced to football to separate it from rugby. Offside was to prevent goal hanging. Now we have taken those rules and magnified them by 100000 and put them under the microscope that says, if someone's armpit is 1mm offside it's not a goal. If it hits someone's hand from a metre, it's a penalty. I think most sane people think this is nonsense. While it created some level of inconsistency, a 'normal' ref decision takes into account subjectivity. A subjectivity I think we all actually love and is a core of the reason we love football. It's a game of opinions after all. If you take away that subjectivity you are left with some weird scientific mess that no one really cares for.
Sorry I am dithering. I guess what I am trying to say without sounding like an obnoxious prick is, I don't think it works in football because football's rules aren't clearly defined which is what makes it such a good sport. The one thing it definitely works with is goal line technology and I don't think a single person would argue against it as it's definitive, it's definitely improved football.
We were entitled to think it would improve as we would be getting 'Select 2' group referees as opposed to National group. Sadly, it hasn't happened and the standard has been very poor.I wrongly assumed the standard would go up from League 1. Its been absolutely rotten.
Agree it's much better.I feel like it is much better tbh.
laws should not be interpreted by the refs as in their opinion! if its a penalty for one side then its a penalty for the other! i see the ref give a soft penalty against us and then deny us a penalty when the defender has nearly cut our player in half only to see the ref wave play on. does my fucking head in
I knew that if I stuck with this forum long enough I'd read something eminently sensible......and here it is. Thank you GMK for articulating what so many of us feel. When the history books are written the demise of the beautiful game will be traced back to the introduction of VAR.Personally think it's not necessarily the way its being utilized but the nature of the sport itself, that's not to say there isn't some elements of the former though. In the sports it works: cricket, tennis, rugby, they are much slower with many more natural breaks. After a bowl, rally etc. Football is much more fluid. It also has a partisan crowd that we are all a part of and the release you get from a goal is what makes the magic. I personally don't think the release for a try, a point in tennis or a wicket is the same. A moment of ecstasy. Make that moment delayed or reviewed and it dampens the environment and eutrophic feeling we all love.
Secondly, as you said the rules don't allow for it. Handball was introduced to football to separate it from rugby. Offside was to prevent goal hanging. Now we have taken those rules and magnified them by 100000 and put them under the microscope that says, if someone's armpit is 1mm offside it's not a goal. If it hits someone's hand from a metre, it's a penalty. I think most sane people think this is nonsense. While it created some level of inconsistency, a 'normal' ref decision takes into account subjectivity. A subjectivity I think we all actually love and is a core of the reason we love football. It's a game of opinions after all. If you take away that subjectivity you are left with some weird scientific mess that no one really cares for.
Sorry I am dithering. I guess what I am trying to say without sounding like an obnoxious prick is, I don't think it works in football because football's rules aren't clearly defined which is what makes it such a good sport. The one thing it definitely works with is goal line technology and I don't think a single person would argue against it as it's definitive, it's definitely improved football.
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