But when I look at it from that point of view I find it difficult to see how this meets any criteria. Higgs Centre was built on municipal land that only got the go ahead in the first place on the basis of it being a facility for the public.Sport England would look at the overall sporting picture for the City of Coventry
Is there even any point having the meeting now? Between this and the swimming pool getting the thumbs up what is left at Higgs for us? All I can see if a single football pitch and a kicking barn we can hire for a few hours when Wasps don't need it.Certainly hasn't strengthened CCFC hand for the proposed meetings week beginning 19/09. Also is there any point in Sport England being part of that?
But when I look at it from that point of view I find it difficult to see how this meets any criteria. Higgs Centre was built on municipal land that only got the go ahead in the first place on the basis of it being a facility for the public.
There seems to me to be a huge net loss in facilities. Wasps themselves have said the vast majority of facilities will be specialist and not open to the public.
And don't forget we only have an academy there, they will have first team and academy meaning the facilities availability for public use will be massively restricted.
Hopefully the information that was requested by Sports England and the response supplied to satisfy them will be made available publicly. Think it could be an interesting read.
Is there even any point having the meeting now? Between this and the swimming pool getting the thumbs up what is left at Higgs for us? All I can see if a single football pitch and a kicking barn we can hire for a few hours when Wasps don't need it.
The fact they opened it would indicate it is available for use wouldn't it, and that is the point. If CSF aren't running the facility properly is not really a consideration in calculating the available usage.The existing indoor pitch appears not used during weekdays.
We had to get them to open it yesterday at 5 so we could play on it.
There's 5 pitches currently, Wasps have stated previously that they will be taking all but 1 for their use. How is that not a net loss of facilities? Even Wasps own assessment states there will be a huge loss in terms of available hours and that's based on a vague mention of potential availability.Net loss of facilities. If you look purely from the Academy perspective then yes it is obvious it has been at least part displaced. However the pitches bar the one are still there but will be used differently so no sporting facility has changed. There has to be public use because of the disposition of the site under the lease etc. So from an overall general sports provision what is lost? Which is how Sports England have looked at it
The point here is the calculation provided by Wasps that results in an increase in available hours in order to meet Sport Englands requirements includes the existing indoor pitch which we all know is being removed. Again if you use Wasps own figures once you remove that facility there is again a net loss.Wasps have said that the specialist gyms etc will not be available but the kicking barn will be. This is apparently twice the size of the current in door pitch. The club requires 12 hours use per week it is being offered/suggested 15 hours is available per week. Does twice the size mean double the number of CCFC trainees could use it at any one time? The site it is being built on was never available to the public and was exclusive use for the CCFC Academy. So does that mean more hours available, better use of a restricted area. Are there other ways to timetable usage?
Warwick and Ryton would not count as part of the cities sporting provision as they are not in the city.What other sites are available. Well there is potential at Warwick Uni it would seem and you would expect those facilities to be up to the required standard. There are Cov Uni grass pitches close by that I know are reasonable standard (for example were used by Cov Ladies as was I believe). There is also the possibility of using Ryton more for matches, they did it before when they moved out.
Lets break it down. The application was assessed by Sport England against provision E5 which is basically that the benefit of the proposed development outweighs the detriment caused.The physical facilities as in pitches (except 1 pitch) do not disappear but change sporting use. It goes from one professional sports club with an academy to another professional sports club with an academy.
Again it comes back to Sports England taking the information provided and factoring the other sports provision in the city (including swimming pools) and assessing if the changes in general provision to the public & community results in a down grading of such provision. In their judgement, including what Wasps have said, the City of Coventry general sporting provision in total to the community is not diminished. Should they investigate further probably but they wont.
Academy is moving to Cov as well. There was a lot of talk of at least one other local team taking legal action but they have now come to an agreement with Wasps, make of that what you will.I'm still not sure where WAPS academy are going to be based of the RFU do change thr boundaries.
I think that's a pretty fair summation duffer
I concur. But remain hopeful SISU will be driven out eventually, unless they've a scheme to make big bucks out of the club.
More and more, Cap'n, I can only think the end game is a big punt on getting damages from the various court cases. In the meantime I honestly don't think there's enough left now to interest any potential purchaser.
I'd be delighted to proved wrong - one day SISU will bugger off, and assuming that the club is still alive I'll be opening the champagne. I guess we all will!
Its not really worth it to wasps either, football clubs are money pits, and 'fluking to the PL' won't even come into their thinking.Only people it would be worth something to now would be a Wasps related subsidiary, taking us out of administration on a penny for every pound debt or something silly like that.
Its not really worth it to wasps either, football clubs are money pits, and 'fluking to the PL' won't even come into their thinking.
I can't see us ever getting to the PL again.
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I don't know. If it's running at nearly paying for itself.
I Wasps give it the sort of PR that they do with everything else.
For them they could get an additional 10,000 into the Ricoh every other week.
They would have full access everything bar compass aswell.
Plus if they had the future of the club secured that would smooth things a bit better on the sponsorship front.
If it is nearly paying for itself then it will need additional funds every year - if they get promoted even more funds just to pay competitive salaries. They are not at self sufficiency, at least up until 2015 that is, even if you ignore interest.
They might get bigger crowds for CCFC but Wasps would benefit possibly better by a sub lease and taking a cut of profits after costs from anything CCFC bring to the stadium. Tie CCFC to a lease, why do Wasps need to own them, why do they need to take the risk?
What you appear to be suggesting is that funds currently 100% used to back Wasps would be split between Wasps & CCFC. Why would that make sense to Wasps? Then they will need capital on top to invest in players. Also think you need to check out how it works between the Wasps Holdings Group and Compass. Due to the money pit that football is and the parlous state of CCFC would it actually improve the lease covenant that has been charged to bond holders or .......?
Do we actually know there is a problem relating to sponsorship that owning CCFC would help smooth over? Might be that they are waiting for the annual results to make announcement - we don't actually klnow
We will be fortunate to be in the football league, between them CCC and SISU have destroyed the club. Wasps are just like vultures stripping a dead carcass.Its not really worth it to wasps either, football clubs are money pits, and 'fluking to the PL' won't even come into their thinking.
I can't see us ever getting to the PL again.
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