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SP Admits the signings were wrong (1 Viewer)

  • Thread starter Nick
  • Start date Apr 10, 2014
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Nick

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  • Apr 10, 2014
  • #1
Nice to see that he has come out and said some of the signings were wrong and that it is being addressed.

Quite a decent scouting team too, hopefully it will pay off pre season!
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 10, 2014
  • #2
Who's signings were they?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 10, 2014
  • #3
I have no idea but at a guess Waggots if they were shit and Thorns if they were good?
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 10, 2014
  • #4
Nick said:
I have no idea but at a guess Waggots if they were shit and Thorns if they were good?
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Who are the pre-Fisher/Waggott signings?

Murphy, Baker, the academy kids obviously.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 10, 2014
  • #5
I can't think of any others.

Were they here when we got Fleck / Barton etc?
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 10, 2014
  • #6
Nick said:
I can't think of any others.

Were they here when we got Fleck / Barton etc?
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That was the summer we went down wasn't it? I think Fisher arrived the December before we went down.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 10, 2014
  • #7
Was Moussa at the same time as them?
 

sw88

Chief Commentator!
  • Apr 10, 2014
  • #8
Nick said:
Was Moussa at the same time as them?
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Moussa was Pressleys first signing wasn't he after the embargo was lifted? Or was it Robins' first?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 10, 2014
  • #9
Still after Fisher / Waggot then.

looking at the squad list, I think it is just baker and murphy!
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 10, 2014
  • #10
SP has made some shocking signings to be fair
But so did Robins and so did Thorn
When you can only sign loanees and freebies I guess it always going to be a bit hit and miss
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 10, 2014
  • #11
dongonzalos said:
SP has made some shocking signings to be fair
But so did Robins and so did Thorn
When you can only sign loanees and freebies I guess it always going to be a bit hit and miss
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Dowie's were dreadful too.

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Grendel

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  • Apr 10, 2014
  • #12
torchomatic said:
Dowie's were dreadful too.

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Ellory Cairo anyone?
 
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dongonzalos

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  • Apr 10, 2014
  • #13
Grendel said:
Ellory Cairo anyone?
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Bloody hell blast from the past
 
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The Gentleman

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  • Apr 10, 2014
  • #14
Nick said:
Nice to see that he has come out and said some of the signings were wrong and that it is being addressed.

Quite a decent scouting team too, hopefully it will pay off pre season!
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Has it really took him to come out and say that they were wrong? Stevie Wonder can see that pretty much most of the signings have been shit. I would want to know who scouted them out, then saw them play a few times and then thought that they were decent enough to sign. Someone else said in another post that what can we expect in our situation but I am sure there are decent players out there who can do a job for us that we could of signed. the fact that pretty much none of his/Waggots/Scouts signings have been any good does worry me for next season.
 
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dongonzalos

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  • Apr 10, 2014
  • #15
As lord points out Ray Ranson was the only man with an eye for a talent at Cov

Gunner
Westwood
Dann
Fox
Keogh

Or someone was during that time......
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 10, 2014
  • #16
dongonzalos said:
As lord points out Ray Ranson was the only man with an eye for a talent at Cov

Gunner
Westwood
Dann
Fox
Keogh

Or someone was during that time......
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Who?
 
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wingy

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  • Apr 10, 2014
  • #17
Nick said:
Who?
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Don't make him say the Thorne word ,did'nt Dowie reckon Dann and Fox were on his radar.
 

ccfc92

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 10, 2014
  • #18
dongonzalos said:
As lord points out Ray Ranson was the only man with an eye for a talent at Cov

Gunner
Westwood
Dann
Fox
Keogh

Or someone was during that time......
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agreed, we had some talent in that team. didn't get anywhere though
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Apr 10, 2014
  • #19
wingy said:
Don't make him say the Thorne word ,did'nt Dowie reckon Dann and Fox were on his radar.
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The Dann and Fox that signed before he was here, that old chestnut.

Gunnar:

The largely unknown defensive midfielder was recommended to Coleman by fellow countryman and Bolton striker Heidar Helguson.
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 10, 2014
  • #20
Nick said:
Who?
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LS.......
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 10, 2014
  • #21
Grendel said:
Ellory Cairo anyone?
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Ah, one of the famous 6 foot athletes Dowie promised us (I still like Dowie regardless, I'd put him on a par managerially with Robins and Pressley, take that how you will)
 
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shy_tall_knight

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 10, 2014
  • #22
I think the biggest problem (besides the lack of money embargo etc..) is the numbers of players who came in for short stints to then go again. The revolving door has had a negative impact on the second half of the season. Also SP's philosophy of developing the youth is now looking challenged, he was helping developing Arsenal's & QPR's youth players whilst also bringing in journeymen like Prutton & Robinson. Since the move to sixfields that has not been one impressive signing - unless you count chris maguire for 3 or 4 games.
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 10, 2014
  • #23
I don't know how many years It's been going on now ,but the word will out through players and agents .

IIRC over the last two summers we've turned over circa 30 players ,It may be they were no good ,It may not ,but a certain amount of longevity /security Is essential to squad structure building ,for the connection to build as much as anything .

Three managers also In two seasons ,yet we were told we were ahead of the game in readiness for FFP etc and there would and is a plethora of available talent to pluck from ,i've yet to see the evidence of that .
 
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KersleyDigs

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 10, 2014
  • #24
Manset - fail
Slager - fail
Webster - Ok
Seabourne - decent
Marshall - good
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 10, 2014
  • #25
shmmeee said:
Ah, one of the famous 6 foot athletes Dowie promised us (I still like Dowie regardless, I'd put him on a par managerially with Robins and Pressley, take that how you will)
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I thought he was shit. Take that how you will.

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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 10, 2014
  • #26
torchomatic said:
I thought he was shit. Take that how you will.

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don't know if he was shit ,thought he would be better though .

how do you mean Torch ,obviously results could have been better ,but how do you mean Shit?
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 10, 2014
  • #27
wingy said:
don't know if he was shit ,thought he would be better though .

how do you mean Torch ,obviously results could have been better ,but how do you mean Shit?
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Yep, if you look purely at league games, there's actually very little between Coleman, dowie and Adams ....and that final runs, was it 8 point from 16 games when he was sacked?
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 10, 2014
  • #28
stupot07 said:
Yep, if you look purely at league games, there's actually very little between Coleman, dowie and Adams ....and that final runs, was it 8 point from 16 games when he was sacked?
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I'm going purely on hunch here ,but I reckon Adams And Coleman were probably more able to bring players In ?
 

SkyBlue_Bear83

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 10, 2014
  • #29
KersleyDigs said:
Manset - fail
Slager - fail
Webster - Ok
Seabourne - decent
Marshall - good
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Webster and Seabourne have both been poor, Marshall has done ok though, showed promise.
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 10, 2014
  • #30
wingy said:
I'm going purely on hunch here ,but I reckon Adams And Coleman were probably more able to bring players In ?
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Dowie brought a fair few in, and inherited a decent squad with the likes of Miffy and Dele, Tabb and Ward.
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 10, 2014
  • #31
CCFC said:
Webster and Seabourne have both been poor, Marshall has done ok though, showed promise.
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Whoever has been selected to play at the back we've been prone to concede a couple of goals eveery game apart from when phillips was rightback and more recently when he changed the shape.
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 10, 2014
  • #32
shy_tall_knight said:
I think the biggest problem (besides the lack of money embargo etc..) is the numbers of players who came in for short stints to then go again. The revolving door has had a negative impact on the second half of the season. Also SP's philosophy of developing the youth is now looking challenged, he was helping developing Arsenal's & QPR's youth players whilst also bringing in journeymen like Prutton & Robinson. Since the move to sixfields that has not been one impressive signing - unless you count chris maguire for 3 or 4 games.
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True, but if think it goes even further than that, in particular the high turnover of managers and lack of football charter (see Swansea) meaning that managers with completely different playing styles and tactics come one every 10-12 months, all bringing in players to help meet their tactics, new man comes in see's that the squad isn't suited to his style of play, so them goes on another overhaul, and the cycle continues....
 
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KersleyDigs

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 11, 2014
  • #33
wingy said:
Whoever has been selected to play at the back we've been prone to concede a couple of goals eveery game apart from when phillips was rightback and more recently when he changed the shape.
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I would like to see a stat relating to wins and clean sheets when Jordan Willis plays. I think it will speak for itself. When Christie was out injured, we won a good run of games with Willis at RB, which came to an end when Cyrus was recalled. Our recent defensive improvement, with a few clean sheets has coincided with the return of Willis to the starting line up too. I know there are other factors in this tactics etc, however, I think our best back four for next season (as is):

Clarke - Willis - Seabourne - Adams
 
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