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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 20, 2024
  • #2,836
MalcSB said:
I think illegals are made well aware of what they can get before they arrive here, and if not before, very shortly after. If they had to pay for healthcare and accommodation, they probably wouldn’t come here. They are quite happy to pay criminals a fortune for a place on a boat though.

That advice also extends to the benefit of having misplaced your identity documents.
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You cannot be an illegal asylum seeker.
 
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tisza

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 20, 2024
  • #2,837
Brighton Sky Blue said:
You cannot be an illegal asylum seeker.
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Illegal Migration Act 2023?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 20, 2024
  • #2,838
tisza said:
Illegal Migration Act 2023?
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Ah of course. The law that declares asylum seekers to be criminals for being victims of people trafficking.
 
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Macca

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 20, 2024
  • #2,839
Have they still not found a photo of that mass murderer yet where he is over 12?
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Nov 20, 2024
  • #2,840
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Ah of course. The law that declares asylum seekers to be criminals for being victims of people trafficking.
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Think the way you worded that is a bit misleading. As if it's women kidnapped and forced.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 20, 2024
  • #2,841
Nick said:
Think the way you worded that is a bit misleading. As if it's women kidnapped and forced.
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Illegally seeking asylum is a contradiction in terms
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Nov 21, 2024
  • #2,842

Coventry councillor 'concerned' by new asylum hotel

Councillor Richard Brown says the decision was made "without any consultation with the council".
www.bbc.com
 
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 21, 2024
  • #2,843
Friends who I love and respect are talking about single males raping their daughters I really do fear the country is on a knife edge without some visible action to change things
Or even information of what the plan is and how we are dojng
Are we deporting more people? Are we reducing the length of time cases are taking to resolve
 
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rob9872

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  • Nov 23, 2024
  • #2,844
fatso said:
So has the Delta Hotel in Warwick.
It's now housing 350 single male "asylum seakers" it was taken over by the home office last weekend, with the hotel having just 24hrs notice, and locals only finding out after the fact.

Apparently the home office is quietly looking at taking over a number of other hotels in the area as we speak.
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 23, 2024
  • #2,845
Sky Blue Pete said:
I know it’s trendy to say we have no influence and we have weak leadership
It’s not how we are seen by many other nations across swathes of areas whether it’s science or our part in shared institutions like the un and echr

The world looks with envy at our democracy and our legal system again I know it’s trendy not to
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I really don’t think it does these days. Even in Italy the perception of the UK has completely changed compared to 15 years ago.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 23, 2024
  • #2,846
It’s great to see taxpayers’ money is getting spent on the things that make a difference to society King Charles’s $91 Million Coronation Has Enraged the British Public
 

Como

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  • Nov 23, 2024
  • #2,847
Not a good time to be a Swan.
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 23, 2024
  • #2,848
Brighton Sky Blue said:
You cannot be an illegal asylum seeker.
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There are legally proscribed routes to seeking asylum, arriving on a boat without papers is not one of them.
You are technically correct, but the people coming in boats are illegal immigrants who are then claiming to be seeking asylum.

They have arrived here from a safe country.
 
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MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 23, 2024
  • #2,849
Sick Boy said:
It’s great to see taxpayers’ money is getting spent on the things that make a difference to society King Charles’s $91 Million Coronation Has Enraged the British Public
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I wonder how much tourist spending London benefitted from?
 
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MalcSB

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  • Nov 23, 2024
  • #2,850
rob9872 said:
Desperate people escaping war-torn France
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Hasn’t happened since 1940.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 23, 2024
  • #2,851
MalcSB said:
There are legally proscribed routes to seeking asylum, arriving on a boat without papers is not one of them.
You are technically correct, but the people coming in boats are illegal immigrants who are then claiming to be seeking asylum.

They have arrived here from a safe country.
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Not for all countries there aren’t.

I hate to say it, but the level of fraud worldwide in the asylum system is going to end it wholesale and I don’t know what happens then.
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 23, 2024
  • #2,852
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Illegally seeking asylum is a contradiction in terms
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They are illegal immigrants who have been advised on the best way to claim asylum.
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 23, 2024
  • #2,853
rob9872 said:
Desperate people escaping war-torn France
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Problem with this take is you say only countries bordering a warring nation have to take refugees.
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 23, 2024
  • #2,854
shmmeee said:
Not for all countries there aren’t.

I hate to say it, but the level of fraud worldwide in the asylum system is going to end it wholesale and I don’t know what happens then.
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TBH shmmeee I’m not in the least bothered about other countries processes. If it all goes tits up genuine asylum seekers will just have to blame the gangs - perhaps they will smash them on Sir Kier’s behalf.
 

shmmeee

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  • Nov 23, 2024
  • #2,855
MalcSB said:
TBH shmmeee I’m not in the least bothered about other countries processes. If it all goes tots up genuine asylum seekers will just have to blame the gangs - perhaps they will smash them on Sir Kier’s behalf.
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No our processes. We only have legal routes for people from a limited number of countries is my understanding. Some places the only way to claim asylum is by arriving here.
 

MalcSB

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  • Nov 23, 2024
  • #2,856
shmmeee said:
No our processes. We only have legal routes for people from a limited number of countries is my understanding. Some places the only way to claim asylum is by arriving here.
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From Gov UK

When your claim might not be considered​

Your claim might not be considered if you:

  • are from an EU country
  • travelled to the UK through a ‘safe third country’
  • have a connection to a safe third country where you could claim asylum
Generally, a safe third country is one that:

  • you’re not a citizen of
  • you would not be harmed in
  • would not send you on to another country where you would be harmed
Also

Documents you must provide​

You’ll need documents for yourself and your dependants (partner and children under 18) for your asylum screening.
Documents you should bring (if you have them) include:
  • passports and travel documents
  • identification documents, for example identity cards, birth and marriage certificates or school records
  • anything you think will help your application
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So many turn up on the boats without documents.

On the basis of the above, should anyone turning up in the boats be considered a true asylum seeker.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 23, 2024
  • #2,857
MalcSB said:
There are legally proscribed routes to seeking asylum, arriving on a boat without papers is not one of them.
You are technically correct
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Proscribed means the opposite of what you think it does. Thanks for confirming I’m correct
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 23, 2024
  • #2,858
MalcSB said:
From Gov UK

When your claim might not be considered​

Your claim might not be considered if you:

  • are from an EU country
  • travelled to the UK through a ‘safe third country’
  • have a connection to a safe third country where you could claim asylum
Generally, a safe third country is one that:

  • you’re not a citizen of
  • you would not be harmed in
  • would not send you on to another country where you would be harmed
Also

Documents you must provide​

You’ll need documents for yourself and your dependants (partner and children under 18) for your asylum screening.
Documents you should bring (if you have them) include:
  • passports and travel documents
  • identification documents, for example identity cards, birth and marriage certificates or school records
  • anything you think will help your application
——————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————
So many turn up on the boats without documents.

On the basis of the above, should anyone turning up in the boats be considered a true asylum seeker.
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Legally or in my opinion? I’m fairly sure international law is such that you just have to make it to the country. As I said above I think the scale of fraud for asylum seeking across the world has probably made such a system untenable.
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 24, 2024
  • #2,859
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Proscribed means the opposite of what you think it does. Thanks for confirming I’m correct
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Correcr again, should have been prescribed.
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 24, 2024
  • #2,860
Sick Boy said:
It’s great to see taxpayers’ money is getting spent on the things that make a difference to society King Charles’s $91 Million Coronation Has Enraged the British Public
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How much does accommodating illegal immigrants cost? £60 million a week?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 24, 2024
  • #2,861
MalcSB said:
How much does accommodating illegal immigrants cost?
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I have no idea but it’s an obscene amount of money for the public to pay, especially considering the RF’s wider wealth. There’s also next to no benefit to taxpayers/the economy outside of London.
 
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 24, 2024
  • #2,862
MalcSB said:
I wonder how much tourist spending London benefitted from?
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So it’s justified so long as it results in people spending more money, do I have that right?
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 24, 2024
  • #2,863
SBT said:
So it’s justified so long as it results in people spending more money, do I have that right?
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Probably
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 24, 2024
  • #2,864
MalcSB said:
I wonder how much tourist spending London benefitted from?
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Do tourists not visit France, Germany or the US?
 

ccfc922

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 24, 2024
  • #2,865
SBT said:
So it’s justified so long as it results in people spending more money, do I have that right?
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Spending millions and millions in housing illegal "migrants"

Spending millions and millions on an historical event, crowing the king of our own country ❌️❌️❌️❌️❌️❌️

Regardless of if you're for the monarchy or not, the spending would have been recouped in part or even maybe a profit, unlike the hotels that are now unavailable for the public to spend money in.
 
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 24, 2024
  • #2,866
ccfc922 said:
Spending millions and millions in housing illegal "migrants"

Spending millions and millions on an historical event, crowing the king of our own country ❌️❌️❌️❌️❌️❌️

Regardless of if you're for the monarchy or not, the spending would have been recouped in part or even maybe a profit, unlike the hotels that are now unavailable for the public to spend money in.
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Regardless if you’re for immigrants or not, the spending on hotels will eventually be recouped in part or even maybe a profit. So I guess we’re…..good?
 

ccfc922

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  • Nov 24, 2024
  • #2,867
SBT said:
Regardless if you’re for immigrants or not, the spending on hotels will eventually be recouped in part or even maybe a profit. So I guess we’re…..good?
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Show your workings on how housing migrants in hotels will generate revenue/profit please.
 
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 24, 2024
  • #2,868
ccfc922 said:
Show your workings on how housing migrants in hotels will generate revenue/profit please.
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Extra people = extra economic activity + extra tax revenues

I’m sure some will end up being a net drain on public finances but so long as the net benefit is greater than the cost of the hotels then presumably it’s a money spinner and you’ve no problem with it
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 24, 2024
  • #2,869
SBT said:
Extra people = extra economic activity + extra tax revenues

I’m sure some will end up being a net drain on public finances but so long as the net benefit is greater than the cost of the hotels then presumably it’s a money spinner and you’ve no problem with it
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It’s impossible really to evaluate given additional requirements on health education etc
 

ccfc922

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 24, 2024
  • #2,870
SBT said:
Extra people = extra economic activity + extra tax revenues

I’m sure some will end up being a net drain on public finances but so long as the net benefit is greater than the cost of the hotels then presumably it’s a money spinner and you’ve no problem with it
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It's not just finances, it's the whole scenario.

Just out of interest, do you live near/have stayed or been past any of these hotels?
 
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