Not everywhereWe have a,ready had a discussion somewhere about private health providers being commissioned to deliver services.
I don’t get why you would even think it worth asking whether it’s whilst claiming asylum? How else are they go7ng to access healthcare. They won’t be facing the same waits to see a GP as someone who has paid UK taxes all their adult life.
Is it any wonder that there is such a strength of feeling amongst many people?
A thread about kids being killed has descended into blaming immigrants and poor people. Pathetic.
Desperate people will find a way to get here. If you can't accept that, you're just howling into the void.
Not everywhere
That’s why I’m asking as people don’t seem to understand what people are entitled to as asylum seekers. It’s awful
Again I’d ask what’s the solution and are you happy with the implication and consequences of an alternative solution?
They have no access to healthcare
They have to get in the same queue as everyone else
I think Nick has made some stuff up about what they receive
While a refugee or asylum seeker is in the process of having their case heard, all NHS services are available to them at no cost. This includes prescriptions for medication and secondary care treatment in a hospital, for example.
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Sorry so I’ve been thinking that you’ve been saying they get more than someone who liveI'm not sure what your point is? Are you trying to play it down?
Yes, they get that stuff for free,
Do you genuinely not know this?
The facts on asylum were astounding in the percentage of people who had asylum upheld for the last year let me lookHow many of them are genuinely desperate though? This is a massive issue and what needs to be understood and figured out. Like I have said previously, we should help those in genuine need, as long as it is safe to do so (which is why it is related to this thread). The fact some people are incapable of asking questions such as this, and; why are they leaving safe European countries to risk it across the channel, is alarming.
I do think Pete is too nice, but he is engaging and trying to debate sensibly. You cannot just have a go at people that are worried about the current levels of immigration as it isn't helpful. Here is another story that broke literally yesterday. We are seeing things like this happening far too often.
Oxford: Decade in jail for man who raped 15-year-old girl
Sorry so I’ve been thinking that you’ve been saying they get more than someone who live
Yep when applying they get £49.18 a week loaded on a pre paid card or £8.89 if they have food provided
Ok so you’re saying they shouldn’t get this they should be allowed to die if they need urgent treatment or just suffer with a disease and if they can’t see or have problems with their teeth fuck them they chose to come here they should find the money to pay
Ok I get the argument now
And the point being there isn’t enough of any of this to go round and they only come cause they get free stuff and they’re not in danger anyway
I suppose there is the thought that if they don’t receive anything at all they wouldn’t come but also if they don’t receive stuff and come they have no alternative but to commit crime to get money as they can’t work legally
I’m more leaning to the idea that you have to smash people smuggling and the hidden economy and deal with claims quickly and effectively
The facts on asylum were astounding in the percentage of people who had asylum upheld for the last year let me look
That’s the other thing the number of asylum seekers is tiny compared to students or work visas
Like I said, the Economy and People smuggling is there. Big contracts for hotels, medical care, transport, life jackets, legal advice, ngos etc.
So you're saying "give them free stuff else they will commit crime"?
Yep there is but the figure is a tiny percentage of the figures on immigration 2023 something like 6%How many refused are deported?
There's a fair bit of difference between asylum seekers and people on work visas.
I’m probably saying we have a responsibility to genuine asylum seekers to give them what they need to survive which is less than we provide for benefits for people born here so that seems correct
If you have no food or money and you can’t work what would you do?
Yep there is but the figure is a tiny percentage of the figures on immigration 2023 something like 6%
I think people are returned if we know where they’re from
The facts on asylum were astounding in the percentage of people who had asylum upheld for the last year let me look
That’s the other thing the number of asylum seekers is tiny compared to students or work visas
Sorry 11% in 2023Yep there is but the figure is a tiny percentage of the figures on immigration 2023 something like 6%
I think people are returned if we know where they’re from
Only those that get food get food and the money they receive is reduced. Many don’tThey do have food, they literally get all their meals for free in the hotels.
You are just focusing on how much cash they are given in their pocket.
That’s a problem isn’t it I don’t know what you want me to say?And if their passport went in the sea?
It is absolutely one too manyI don't think you read the article I posted. Surely this is one too many regardless of what you personally intepret the numbers as?
"The 41-year-old was granted asylum in the UK in 2010 following several failed attempts to deport him."
He went on to rape and impregnate a 15 year old girl.
I think illegals are made well aware of what they can get before they arrive here, and if not before, very shortly after. If they had to pay for healthcare and accommodation, they probably wouldn’t come here. They are quite happy to pay criminals a fortune for a place on a boat though.Not everywhere
That’s why I’m asking as people don’t seem to understand what people are entitled to as asylum seekers. It’s awful
Again I’d ask what’s the solution and are you happy with the implication and consequences of an alternative solution?
They have no access to healthcare
They have to get in the same queue as everyone else
I think Nick has made some stuff up about what they receive
Ok that’s again a generic group and assuming a cover all for that group it’s good to avoid dehumanising others in that way. I do it as has been pointed out by Marty and others but it’s unhelpfulI think illegals are made well aware of what they can get before they arrive here, and if not before, very shortly after. If they had to pay for healthcare and accommodation, they probably wouldn’t come here. They are quite happy to pay criminals a fortune for a place on a boat though.
Ok that’s again a generic group and assuming a cover all for that group it’s good to avoid dehumanising others in that way. I do it as has been pointed out by Marty and others but it’s unhelpful
How would that work? Would we just have people on the streets?
I know people think it’s easy not necessarily you to just say stab the boats
Take people back to France
Don’t meet basic needs
These come with implications and consequences
It’s been said a number of times by a number of people on a number of issues that the UK is seen as a world leader. I think that is bollocks and things like this prove it,That's clearly not a UK thing.
And if you read the non Daily Mail version you'll see that the final statement was signed off by Lula without the approval of western leaders.
The only solution really is to provide internment camps in remote areas of the UK where they can receive food and basic healthcare.
Might be becoming a necessary evilWould they get much spending money on a debit card though?
Exactly, I am sure if they were drafted into a camp it would put people off. It might cost money to build but it would save a fortune on hotels. Make them secure as well.
Would they get much spending money on a debit card though?
Exactly, I am sure if they were drafted into a camp it would put people off. It might cost money to build but it would save a fortune on hotels. Make them secure as well.
Might be becoming a necessary evil
Might be becoming a necessary evil
I don’t like imprisoning people without charge and indefinitely which I think is what internment is.Evil? Strange thing to say
It’s a compelling argument that doesn’t pretend there are simple answersIs it evil?
Surely if they are fleeing being shot and killed then a warm bed, healthcare and food would be the dream?
So many single men because the journey is tough and expensive. But if they get asylum etc then they apply for family reunification for other immediate family members.Well aware that we're lucky to be born in a country not in conflict, equally aware that it's some not all who are a problem and also that I wouldn't swap my life for theirs (albeit some try turn their new surroundings into the shite they left behind). Why so many single men rather than families? I'm sure even the darkest of hearts couldn't deny genuine asylum to a family unit including women and kids.
At the same time, whilst we must respect the line is more than a bit murky, the first thing we need to weed out is to differentiate between those who are genuinely seeking asylum and those who are simply here illegally. Until we can get that part 100% accurate, we're frankly pissing in the wind.
To put yourself in their shoes, yes it's expensive, yes it's tough, but if that place is so bad that I'm seeking refuge the other side of the world and no guarantee they'll accept me or even if they do it could be years before I not only get there, but to apply for reunification of my family and then get word to them and somehow they are then able to get out of the country but with no guarantees, then there isnt an even 1% chance I'm leaving them behind.So many single men because the journey is tough and expensive. But if they get asylum etc then they apply for family reunification for other immediate family members.
When Merkl "invited" people to come we had huge caravans of young men streaming across some of the land we farm as well as along the motorways.
I don’t like imprisoning people without charge and indefinitely which I think is what internment is.
It’s also a saying necessary evil so I was using that too
Least worst is probably what I mean
It’s been said a number of times by a number of people on a number of issues that the UK is seen as a world leader. I think that is bollocks and things like this prove it,
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