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Skybluekyle

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 18, 2024
  • #2,661
Nick said:
Apparently it's not allowed to be discussed in parliament either?
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Sub judice rule, ongoing court case, long standing convention so as not to be seen as potentially influencing the case
 
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eastwoodsdustman

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 18, 2024
  • #2,662
Tony Blair, our very own war criminal, is always busy in Rwanda.
I wonder how much influence he had over things?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 18, 2024
  • #2,663
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
There are a lot of rumours floating around about Starmer as well...
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Where?
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 18, 2024
  • #2,664
Como said:
I can say something as I will not have the Old Bill knocking on my door at 4 am.

Seems the father was up to his what’s it’s in the Rwandan Genocide and Kier was involved in making sure he was not returned to face justice.
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Think most were involved from one side and then a generation most from the other side
 

SkyBlueCharlie9

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 18, 2024
  • #2,665
Como said:
I can say something as I will not have the Old Bill knocking on my door at 4 am.

Seems the father was up to his what’s it’s in the Rwandan Genocide and Kier was involved in making sure he was not returned to face justice.
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Time and time and time again your claims/facts have been entirely discredited. Information source?
 
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 18, 2024
  • #2,666
SkyBlueCharlie9 said:
Time and time and time again your claims/facts have been entirely discredited. Information source?
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Yeah we need evidence
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 18, 2024
  • #2,667
Como said:
Seems the father was up to his what’s it’s in the Rwandan Genocide and Kier was involved in making sure he was not returned to face justice.
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what do you mean by seems as I can't find any evidence for this? we know the name of the person arrested in Southport and from that its not exactly hard to get his fathers name.

there seems to be two theories floating around on social media. one being from that reliable source of information Lawrence Fox who posted a court documents 'proving' that the father was involved in the genocide expect if anyone actually read the document rather than taking his word for it the only person from Rwanda it mentions is a woman, the males are an Iranian man accused of converting to Christianity; an Angolan army officer accused of spying and a second Angolan whose family was killed after he opposed the government.

the other theory seems to be that his father came here the year trials in Rwanda started and if you go down that route you believe that for some unknown reason the government decided to move him here and change his identity but they did it so badly they forgot to change his surname, oh and the the years don't match up.
 
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SBAndy

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  • Nov 18, 2024
  • #2,668
SkyBlueCharlie9 said:
Time and time and time again your claims/facts have been entirely discredited. Information source?
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Keith492651 on Twitter
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Nov 18, 2024
  • #2,669
Didn't people learn when they were saying he wasn't Muslim? It was pretty much the same.

That's what makes me wonder how much truth there is in it as it was said months ago.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 18, 2024
  • #2,670
chiefdave said:
what do you mean by seems as I can't find any evidence for this? we know the name of the person arrested in Southport and from that its not exactly hard to get his fathers name.

there seems to be two theories floating around on social media. one being from that reliable source of information Lawrence Fox who posted a court documents 'proving' that the father was involved in the genocide expect if anyone actually read the document rather than taking his word for it the only person from Rwanda it mentions is a woman, the males are an Iranian man accused of converting to Christianity; an Angolan army officer accused of spying and a second Angolan whose family was killed after he opposed the government.

the other theory seems to be that his father came here the year trials in Rwanda started and if you go down that route you believe that for some unknown reason the government decided to move him here and change his identity but they did it so badly they forgot to change his surname, oh and the the years don't match up.
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It’s very easy to find what the actual accusation is
 

eastwoodsdustman

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 18, 2024
  • #2,671
I suppose with a news blackout on the subject it will be difficult to get anything more than hearsay.
Even when the trial is over if Keir and uncle Tony are balls deep in the mire I’f be very surprised if the whole truth comes out.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Nov 18, 2024
  • #2,672
SBAndy said:
Keith492651 on Twitter
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He’s a nice bloke, well informed, finger on the pulse.
 
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alexccfc99

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  • Nov 19, 2024
  • #2,673
The Novotel by The CBS has apparently closed to house migrants
 
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eastwoodsdustman

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  • Nov 20, 2024
  • #2,674
alexccfc99 said:
The Novotel by The CBS has apparently closed to house migrants
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The BBC have a story on it but haven’t said which hotel it is.
They also say that the government have forced it through without consulting the council.
This government really are just doing whatever they want now.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Nov 20, 2024
  • #2,675
alexccfc99 said:
The Novotel by The CBS has apparently closed to house migrants
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This has me worried as my daughter needs to get the bus sometimes in that area, in the dark.

Is it confirmed?
 

eastwoodsdustman

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 20, 2024
  • #2,676
They aren’t taking booking from 13/12 onwards so would appear so.
 
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fatso

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 20, 2024
  • #2,677
alexccfc99 said:
The Novotel by The CBS has apparently closed to house migrants
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So has the Delta Hotel in Warwick.
It's now housing 350 single male "asylum seakers" it was taken over by the home office last weekend, with the hotel having just 24hrs notice, and locals only finding out after the fact.

Apparently the home office is quietly looking at taking over a number of other hotels in the area as we speak.
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 20, 2024
  • #2,678
What’s the alternative anyone?
 

fatso

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 20, 2024
  • #2,679
There's an obvious (non violent, peaceful and non racist) alternative, but posting it on line would probably lead to a prison sentance, while establishment nonce's like Huw Edwards can escape prison.
 
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rob9872

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  • Nov 20, 2024
  • #2,680
Sky Blue Pete said:
What’s the alternative anyone?
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Improved border control in France?
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Nov 20, 2024
  • #2,681
Sky Blue Pete said:
What’s the alternative anyone?
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They can all stay at yours?

Maybe stop letting boats cross until the backlog is sorted?

It won't though, there's too much money in people smuggling for everybody. They make out it's organised gangs but in reality there's too much money in it once they turn up on the shore.
 
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MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 20, 2024
  • #2,682
Sky Blue Pete said:
What’s the alternative anyone?
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Send them to a third party country while they are being processed like other countries are either doing or considering.
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 20, 2024
  • #2,683
eastwoodsdustman said:
The BBC have a story on it but haven’t said which hotel it is.
They also say that the government have forced it through without consulting the council.
This government really are just doing whatever they want now.
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A really good way of appeasing the far right. Not!
 

fatso

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 20, 2024
  • #2,684
So all these "asylum seekers" are getting 3 meals a day and living in comfy warm rooms that usually rent for £150 a day, while our pensioners are deprived of their £10 a week winter fuel allowance?

Starmer is a weapons grade C××t.
 
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MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 20, 2024
  • #2,685
fatso said:
So all these "asylum seekers" are getting 3 meals a day and living in comfy warm rooms that usually rent for £150 a day, while our pensioners are deprived of their £10 a week winter fuel allowance?

Starmer is a weapons grade C××t.
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WFA was less than £6 per week averaged over a year.

The only good thing is that a couple of years of this and Labour will be unelectable again.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Nov 20, 2024
  • #2,686
Maybe they can start housing them with people wanting them to be let in?
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 20, 2024
  • #2,687
Sky Blue Pete said:
What’s the alternative anyone?
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Re-enact labours previous idea of creating internment camps on islands in Scotland
 

Marty

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 20, 2024
  • #2,688
Sky Blue Pete said:
What’s the alternative anyone?
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Don't let them come into the country.
 
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MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 20, 2024
  • #2,689
Grendel said:
Re-enact labours previous idea of creating internment camps on islands in Scotland
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ECHR would put a stop to that due to the midges.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 20, 2024
  • #2,690
rob9872 said:
Improved border control in France?
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Why hasn’t this happened?
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 20, 2024
  • #2,691
Nick said:
They can all stay at yours?

Maybe stop letting boats cross until the backlog is sorted?

It won't though, there's too much money in people smuggling for everybody. They make out it's organised gangs but in reality there's too much money in it once they turn up on the shore.
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They can’t all stay at mine Nick

How does that happen Nick? How do we stop them?

The government are making money?
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 20, 2024
  • #2,692
MalcSB said:
Send them to a third party country while they are being processed like other countries are either doing or considering.
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Which countries malc and does it work / save money?
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 20, 2024
  • #2,693
fatso said:
So all these "asylum seekers" are getting 3 meals a day and living in comfy warm rooms that usually rent for £150 a day, while our pensioners are deprived of their £10 a week winter fuel allowance?

Starmer is a weapons grade C××t.
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What’s the alternative friend?
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 20, 2024
  • #2,694
Sky Blue Pete said:
Why hasn’t this happened?
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The French have been paid enough to stop the boats departing, in reality they just want rid.

If there were affective border controls throughout Europe - or even any - there would be some impact, surely.
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 20, 2024
  • #2,695
MalcSB said:
WFA was less than £6 per week averaged over a year.

The only good thing is that a couple of years of this and Labour will be unelectable again.
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Try not to use whataboutery you’re a better debater than that
I think most think that the removing the wfa from people who can’t do without it is so wrong
 
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