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Nick

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  • Oct 29, 2024
  • #2,451
Sky Blue Pete said:
You think people rioting knew he was a terrorist who’d made ricin?
I don’t understand
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I think it's more the islamic terrorist bit. Pretty obvious.

There will be much more not revealed.

It in no way justifies smashing up mosques or attacking people for their religion or skin colour regardless.

Starmer was the one who poured all of the fuel all over it. The media poured fuel all over it.
 
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SBAndy

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  • Oct 29, 2024
  • #2,452
I’ll admit I think it’s a shocking dereliction of duty to keep this hidden from the public. I genuinely don’t understand what was to be gained by doing so.

Edit: I’m also intrigued how this came out. Seems odd for the police to voluntarily reveal the information miles down the line.
 
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Nick

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  • Oct 29, 2024
  • #2,453
SBAndy said:
I’ll admit I think it’s a shocking dereliction of duty to keep this hidden from the public. I genuinely don’t understand what was to be gained by doing so.
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It's not just hiding it, I think it's the attempt to completely deflect from it makes it worse.

All this does is push people towards the "far right". There's no better advertisement.

Starmer would have known he was an islamic terrorist when he was calling anybody who had an issue, far right.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 29, 2024
  • #2,454
SBAndy said:
I’ll admit I think it’s a shocking dereliction of duty to keep this hidden from the public. I genuinely don’t understand what was to be gained by doing so.

Edit: I’m also intrigued how this came out. Seems odd for the police to voluntarily reveal the information miles down the line.
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Isn’t it just investigating and them given permission to charge and them release it to the public
Anything else is just conspiracy shit surely
 

Nick

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  • Oct 29, 2024
  • #2,455
Sky Blue Pete said:
Isn’t it just investigating and them given permission to charge and them release it to the public
Anything else is just conspiracy shit surely
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It's not conspiracy when it turns out right though.
 
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SBAndy

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  • Oct 29, 2024
  • #2,456
Sky Blue Pete said:
Isn’t it just investigating and them given permission to charge and them release it to the public
Anything else is just conspiracy shit surely
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But unless they decided to search his house last week (I’d imagine it was one of the first things done after identification) I don’t see why they doubled down on it not being terror related.
 
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Nick

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  • Oct 29, 2024
  • #2,457
SBAndy said:
But unless they decided to search his house last week (I’d imagine it was one of the first things done after identification) I don’t see why they doubled down on it not being terror related.
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People who lived locally at the time said on social media that police in white suits were all over the house. Not sure if they got deleted but people were posting pictures. Probably in prison now.


Same as the people who said they went to school with him and he took knives to school but it was hammered home that he was an innocent choirboy.
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 29, 2024
  • #2,458
SBAndy said:
But unless they decided to search his house last week (I’d imagine it was one of the first things done after identification) I don’t see why they doubled down on it not being terror related.
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But it is ambiguous enough to be considered that way isn't it, I still think it's bound up in Rwandan politics and our own, maybe it will come out in the trial or maybe someone will do a book?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 29, 2024
  • #2,459
Sky Blue Pete said:
Isn’t it just investigating and them given permission to charge and them release it to the public
Anything else is just conspiracy shit surely
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oh come on
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 29, 2024
  • #2,460
SBAndy said:
But unless they decided to search his house last week (I’d imagine it was one of the first things done after identification) I don’t see why they doubled down on it not being terror related.
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Cause they wanted to inflame riots I reckon
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 29, 2024
  • #2,461
Nick said:
It's not conspiracy when it turns out right though.
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You think people knew the police would charge him with terrorism charges
You think the government told the police not to publicly charge him
You think the government told the cps to delay agreeing to charge him
At what point do you say it’s a process and it takes time
Like I say the alternative beggars belief
Or Farage knew
And the rioters should be released because they only got angry for good reason all Muslims are the same they should all be deported and you can’t trust any of them?
 

Nick

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  • Oct 29, 2024
  • #2,462
Sky Blue Pete said:
You think people knew the police would charge him with terrorism charges
You think the government told the police not to publicly charge him
You think the government told the cps to delay agreeing to charge him
At what point do you say it’s a process and it takes time
Like I say the alternative beggars belief
Or Farage knew
And the rioters should be released because they only got angry for good reason all Muslims are the same they should all be deported and you can’t trust any of them?
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You think the police and the victims didn't know the same day it was an islamic terror attack?

Not find it strange how the media went above and beyond to push him being an innocent little choir boy? Even now they are using pictures of him as a small kid.

It depends on what they were charged and sent to prison for as to whether they should be released to be honest. Turns out the worst misinformation was from the police and the media.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 29, 2024
  • #2,463
Sky Blue Pete said:
You think people knew the police would charge him with terrorism charges
You think the government told the police not to publicly charge him
You think the government told the cps to delay agreeing to charge him
At what point do you say it’s a process and it takes time
Like I say the alternative beggars belief
Or Farage knew
And the rioters should be released because they only got angry for good reason all Muslims are the same they should all be deported and you can’t trust any of them?
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it’s been confirmed that the initial search found Ricolin. Stop making yourself look stupid.
 
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Gynnsthetonic

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  • Oct 29, 2024
  • #2,464
Grendel said:
it’s been confirmed that the initial search found Ricolin. Stop making yourself look stupid.
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Those bloody Welsh and their Ricin!
 
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Nick

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  • Oct 29, 2024
  • #2,465
Makes you wonder how much goes on that's just swept away.

The media didn't mention that somebody from the hotel in Tamworth had raped somebody.

The police filmed an a team style videos of them arresting people for shouting nasty things though
 
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M&B Stand

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  • Oct 29, 2024
  • #2,466
Nick said:
Makes you wonder how much goes on that's just swept away.

The media didn't mention that somebody from the hotel in Tamworth had raped somebody.

The police filmed an a team style videos of them arresting people for shouting nasty things though
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The stabbing in Walsall last week, the poor girl worked at the migrant hotel and was allegedly stabbed in the head by a resident who’d followed her when she left work. Awful just awful.
I only found out this week, you think it’d be headline news.
 
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SkyBlue_Bear83

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  • Oct 29, 2024
  • #2,467
M&B Stand said:
The stabbing in Walsall last week, the poor girl worked at the migrant hotel and was allegedly stabbed in the head by a resident who’d followed her when she left work. Awful just awful.
I only found out this week, you think it’d be headline news.
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But the Manchester Airport incident was a major national headline, doesn't make sense.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 29, 2024
  • #2,468
Grendel said:
it’s been confirmed that the initial search found Ricolin. Stop making yourself look stupid.
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Oh it’s a daily occurrence at least
 

SBAndy

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 29, 2024
  • #2,469
Sky Blue Pete said:
You think people knew the police would charge him with terrorism charges
You think the government told the police not to publicly charge him
You think the government told the cps to delay agreeing to charge him
At what point do you say it’s a process and it takes time
Like I say the alternative beggars belief
Or Farage knew
And the rioters should be released because they only got angry for good reason all Muslims are the same they should all be deported and you can’t trust any of them?
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Pete, as it happens I agree with you on the rioting point. That was whipped up without any of what we now know being public knowledge. They rioted on supposition and it’s a nonsense.

However, let’s be real here. There’s clearly something that’s gone awry if this was indeed known by the police almost instantly. I despise the ‘two tier’ angle but shit like this just fans the flames.
 
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SBAndy

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  • Oct 29, 2024
  • #2,470
Nick said:
Makes you wonder how much goes on that's just swept away.

The media didn't mention that somebody from the hotel in Tamworth had raped somebody.

The police filmed an a team style videos of them arresting people for shouting nasty things though
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Clearly it’s not in the public interest to reveal everything about everything. Because one person in a hotel did something it is not carte blanche to set the place alight.
 
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Bugsy

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  • Oct 29, 2024
  • #2,471
SBAndy said:
Clearly it’s not in the public interest to reveal everything about everything. Because one person in a hotel did something it is not carte blanche to set the place alight.
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Maybe not everything about everything but a rapist on the street in Tamworth should be class as in the public interest.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Oct 29, 2024
  • #2,472
SBAndy said:
Clearly it’s not in the public interest to reveal everything about everything. Because one person in a hotel did something it is not carte blanche to set the place alight.
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No I agree, it isn't an excuse.

I'm just saying a lot of things don't seem to be reported or when they are it's played down. If normal people have issues, they are "far right".
 
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Ashdown

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  • Oct 29, 2024
  • #2,473
Horrible little c**t was blatantly radicalised, I hope they can get hold of the fucking morons who encouraged him into this state of mind !
 
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SIR ERNIE

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  • Oct 29, 2024
  • #2,474
Nick said:
It's not just hiding it, I think it's the attempt to completely deflect from it makes it worse.

All this does is push people towards the "far right". There's no better advertisement.

Starmer would have known he was an islamic terrorist when he was calling anybody who had an issue, far right.
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Egg on the faces of a few on here who were liberally throwing around the 'far right racist' slur.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Oct 29, 2024
  • #2,475
Ashdown said:
Horrible little c**t was blatantly radicalised, I hope they can get hold of the fucking morons who encouraged him into this state of mind !
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But then those that radicalised him must have been radicalised by someone themselves at some point. And those people had also been radicalised and so on.
 
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M&B Stand

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  • Oct 30, 2024
  • #2,476
SkyBlue_Bear83 said:
But the Manchester Airport incident was a major national headline, doesn't make sense.
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Yep. The narrative was very different when that made the main news top story ‘Police Officer kicks Asian Man in Head’ was what hit the headlines.

The CCTV was only released after a mob starting protesting and making threats outside a police station (justice or these Mother fuckers are gonna get it). No arrests at that one tho.
 
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Harry Krishner

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  • Oct 30, 2024
  • #2,477
Neither the media nor politicians are in any way trustworthy.

Interestingly, there is no mention in the BBC article of preventing such attacks in the future. They would appear to be a price worth paying as long as the agenda is adhered to.
 
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Grendel

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  • Oct 30, 2024
  • #2,478
SIR ERNIE said:
Egg on the faces of a few on here who were liberally throwing around the 'far right racist' slur.
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The Left;



 
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MalcSB

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  • Oct 30, 2024
  • #2,479
SBAndy said:
Pete, as it happens I agree with you on the rioting point. That was whipped up without any of what we now know being public knowledge. They rioted on supposition and it’s a nonsense.

However, let’s be real here. There’s clearly something that’s gone awry if this was indeed known by the police almost instantly. I despise the ‘two tier’ angle but shit like this just fans the flames.
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It only would have taken one person to be in the know and to put it on social media for it to become widespread, public “knowledge”. If people have been punished for spreading lies on the internet which turn out not to be lies, shouldn’t they be exonerated.
 
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rob9872

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  • Oct 30, 2024
  • #2,480
MalcSB said:
It only would have taken one person to be in the know and to put it on social media for it to become widespread, public “knowledge”. If people have been punished for spreading lies on the internet which turn out not to be lies, shouldn’t they be exonerated.
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If they'd said terrorist they'd be fine. However they wrongly went for immigrant and he turned out to be Welsh. It means the argument will be about semantics when it should be about what a scummy little c**t he is.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 30, 2024
  • #2,481
M&B Stand said:
Yep. The narrative was very different when that made the main news top story ‘Police Officer kicks Asian Man in Head’ was what hit the headlines.

The CCTV was only released after a mob starting protesting and making threats outside a police station (justice or these Mother fuckers are gonna get it). No arrests at that one tho.
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There have been arrests but no charges yet
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Oct 30, 2024
  • #2,482
Grendel said:
The Left;



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We’re all left aren’t we?
Is it worse what he did now because he was an Islamist? Isn’t it sickening enough to kill 3 young children?
 
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Como

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  • Oct 30, 2024
  • #2,483
He turned out not to be Welsh.

I am sure I am not alone in having developed a 6th sense when the powers that be are lying, I suppose they think that the news cycle will have moved on when the facts come out.

see also the recent incident in Dagenham
 
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Nick

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  • Oct 30, 2024
  • #2,484
Sky Blue Pete said:
We’re all left aren’t we?
Is it worse what he did now because he was an Islamist? Isn’t it sickening enough to kill 3 young children?
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Well it's just changed things that he was an Islamist terrorist as opposed to an innocent choirboy who was having a bad day.

How much was known about him beforehand by Police and other authorities?

Had the police and Starmer have been a bit more honest from the start, I am not sure the trouble would have been anywhere near as bad. I said at the time that Starmer was pouring fuel all over things.
 
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SBAndy

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  • Oct 30, 2024
  • #2,485
Nick said:
How much was known about him beforehand by Police and other authorities?
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My gut feel is that the answer is nothing, and I think that’s why they didn’t reveal it. Because they couldn’t give it the “known to the security services” caveat.
 
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