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Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon

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  • Aug 26, 2024
  • #2,276
Nick said:
Bloke has been charged with wounding from that video in Birmingham.

No idea how it isn't attempted murder.
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Yeah quite how swinging a knife at sombody's neck doesn't constitute an attempt to kill someone doesn't sound right to me
 
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chiefdave

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  • Aug 26, 2024
  • #2,277
I think it’s down to what the CPS think will lead to a conviction. Although anyone who watches shows like 24 Hours in Police Custody will have little faith in the CPS being up to the job
 
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Grendel

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  • Aug 26, 2024
  • #2,278
chiefdave said:
I think it’s down to what the CPS think will lead to a conviction. Although anyone who watches shows like 24 Hours in Police Custody will have little faith in the CPS being up to the job
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To be fair despite the limited resources if he had worn a British bulldog T Shirt and shouted some EDL nonsense he would be tried and prosecuted by now
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Aug 26, 2024
  • #2,279
chiefdave said:
I think it’s down to what the CPS think will lead to a conviction. Although anyone who watches shows like 24 Hours in Police Custody will have little faith in the CPS being up to the job
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Better off sticking to catching people posting online. They seem to do ok with that.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Aug 26, 2024
  • #2,280
Serious crime

Grievous Bodily Harm and Wounding, with and without intent - VHS Fletchers Solicitors

What is the definition of a wound or grievous bodily harm? What difference do offences committed with intent make to sentence? Questions answered here.
vhsfletchers.co.uk
 
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Grendel

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  • Aug 26, 2024
  • #2,281
mmttww said:
'Baiting People with Gotcha Questions'

would be more accurate.

Don't pretend you're open to having your position on any subject challenged or altered. It's nauseating.
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I’ve just seen this and frankly I think it’s nonsense

I’ve stated that Islamaphobia is a rather stupid term that should not actually exist as Islam is a belief system across many races and the Islamic State is brutal, evil, misogynistic, racist and against any LGBT community. Ironically it’s pretty much an identical philosophy to the belief systems preached by Tommy Robinson - and these things should be discussed
 
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Gynnsthetonic

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  • Aug 26, 2024
  • #2,282

German chancellor pledges swifter deportations in wake of Solingen attack

Olaf Scholz also promises tougher weapons laws after three killed in last week’s rampage
www.theguardian.com
Germany straight on to the case, Sweden had enough too. Meanwhile Sir Kier hunting down the people posting hurty words on the Internet!
 
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nicksar

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  • Aug 26, 2024
  • #2,283

Notting Hill Carnival - Update at 19:00hrs on Monday 26 August

Officers have made 145 arrests as of 19:00hrs on Monday, bringing the total so far over two days to 249.
news.met.police.uk

Interesting read,7000 police officers on "double bubble" to police the Carnival today.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Aug 26, 2024
  • #2,284
nicksar said:

Notting Hill Carnival - Update at 19:00hrs on Monday 26 August

Officers have made 145 arrests as of 19:00hrs on Monday, bringing the total so far over two days to 249.
news.met.police.uk

Interesting read,7000 police officers on "double bubble" to police the Carnival today.
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Christ. That's just today too.

Doesn't say knives in particular off the streets though.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Aug 26, 2024
  • #2,285
nicksar said:

Notting Hill Carnival - Update at 19:00hrs on Monday 26 August

Officers have made 145 arrests as of 19:00hrs on Monday, bringing the total so far over two days to 249.
news.met.police.uk

Interesting read,7000 police officers on "double bubble" to police the Carnival today.
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Paid for by the organisers hopefully. Some of us are old enough to remember when people would lose their minds when about 10 people a year would be caught at reading with weed and wanted the festival to have its license revoked
 
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Nick

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  • Aug 26, 2024
  • #2,286
chiefdave said:
Paid for by the organisers hopefully. Some of us are old enough to remember when people would lose their minds when about 10 people a year would be caught at reading with weed and wanted the festival to have its license revoked
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Guessing it's millions paid by the tax payers.
 
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nicksar

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  • Aug 27, 2024
  • #2,287
chiefdave said:
Paid for by the organisers hopefully. Some of us are old enough to remember when people would lose their minds when about 10 people a year would be caught at reading with weed and wanted the festival to have its license revoked
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The GLA fund the Carnival because it's a celebration of diversity...the taxpayer funds the policing which is circa 13 million pounds per year.
 

rob9872

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 27, 2024
  • #2,288
nicksar said:
The GLA fund the Carnival because it's a celebration of diversity...the taxpayer funds the policing which is circa 13 million pounds per year.
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I mean they were decent, but to still be celebrating 15 years after they won BGT, at those costs probably time to knock it on the head.
 
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GIMOC

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  • Aug 27, 2024
  • #2,289
Brighton Sky Blue said:
It's terrorism and needs combating as such. Ignoring though that we have many, many more Muslims in this country who live peacefully and disavow the likes of IS.
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no they don’t.

when these terrorist attacks occur. you won’t hear the Muslims condemning it

you won’t see Muslims taking to the streets saying it’s not in the name of our religion etc.

They are very quiet

however when something happens to their community they come in force

double standards
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 27, 2024
  • #2,290
GIMOC said:
no they don’t.

when these terrorist attacks occur. you won’t hear the Muslims condemning it

you won’t see Muslims taking to the streets saying it’s not in the name of our religion etc.

They are very quiet

however when something happens to their community they come in force

double standards
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I mean your mind can’t be changed so debating this is futile but:

Muslims Against Terrorism | Muslim Council of Britain

Terrorism, sadly, has cast a dark shadow over Muslim communities even though our issues transcend this recent phenomena.
mcb.org.uk
 
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GIMOC

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 27, 2024
  • #2,291
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I mean your mind can’t be changed so debating this is futile but:

Muslims Against Terrorism | Muslim Council of Britain

Terrorism, sadly, has cast a dark shadow over Muslim communities even though our issues transcend this recent phenomena.
mcb.org.uk
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actions speak louder than words

you never see condemnation by Muslims on Twitter for murders and tbf same applies on here by some. the silence is deafening

quick to jump on when mosques are attacked and get 117 million in the process but when people die at the hands of terrorists rarely if anything is said
 
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Gynnsthetonic

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  • Aug 27, 2024
  • #2,292

More Notting Hill Carnival carnage as 330 people arrested

Five people were stabbed today, taking the total across the two days to eight, while three people sustained slash wounds and one incident was said to have involved a corrosive substance.
mol.im
Imagine a St George's day carnival or a football match with this much carnage. Is Sir Kier going to comment on this. 330 arrests ffs
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 27, 2024
  • #2,293
GIMOC said:
actions speak louder than words

you never see condemnation by Muslims on Twitter for murders and tbf same applies on here by some. the silence is deafening

quick to jump on when mosques are attacked and get 117 million in the process but when people die at the hands of terrorists rarely if anything is said
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Moving the goalposts as per. What is your answer? Kick them all out? Or just ban any more from entering?
 

GIMOC

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  • Aug 27, 2024
  • #2,294
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Moving the goalposts as per. What is your answer? Kick them all out? Or just ban any more from entering?
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5 times now on this thread you’re asked what the answer is

does that mean you agree there is an issue?

as I’ve said, the damage is done unfortunately. The uk has turned into a cesspit with knife crime, shootings, criminals getting away with crime

we all know the reason why. some will stand up and some will bury their heads in the sand

prime example. You have Labour mp’s praising Notting Hill and using to race bait but no condemnation of the stabbings. why is that?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 27, 2024
  • #2,295
GIMOC said:
5 times now on this thread you’re asked what the answer is

does that mean you agree there is an issue?

as I’ve said, the damage is done unfortunately. The uk has turned into a cesspit with knife crime, shootings, criminals getting away with crime

we all know the reason why. some will stand up and some will bury their heads in the sand

prime example. You have Labour mp’s praising Notting Hill and using to race bait but no condemnation of the stabbings. why is that?
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I keep asking what the answer is because nobody ever seems to suggest anything aside from Saddle saying we should immediately halt immigration.

Waste of time talking to you on this really
 

GIMOC

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 27, 2024
  • #2,296
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I keep asking what the answer is because nobody ever seems to suggest anything aside from Saddle saying we should immediately halt immigration.

Waste of time talking to you on this really
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so you don’t believe there is an problem?
 

GIMOC

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 27, 2024
  • #2,297
prime example is sweden

very left wing country. Opened borders to mass immigration

now it has the highest rape numbers in europe

no go area for women at night

once you let the numbers in, you have no way of dealing with the issue
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Aug 27, 2024
  • #2,298
GIMOC said:
no they don’t.

when these terrorist attacks occur. you won’t hear the Muslims condemning it

you won’t see Muslims taking to the streets saying it’s not in the name of our religion etc.

They are very quiet

however when something happens to their community they come in force

double standards
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You don’t know them that’s all
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 31, 2024
  • #2,299

Notting Hill Carnival: Mum and chef die after separate attacks

Both deaths are now being treated as murder investigations, say police.
www.bbc.co.uk

Notting Hill Carnival: Eight stabbed and 334 arrests

In two incidents the victims sustained slash wounds and one incident involved a corrosive substance.
www.bbc.co.uk

I wonder when the full force of the law will be swiftly applied as per the riots?
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Sep 1, 2024
  • #2,300
MalcSB said:

Notting Hill Carnival: Mum and chef die after separate attacks

Both deaths are now being treated as murder investigations, say police.
www.bbc.co.uk

Notting Hill Carnival: Eight stabbed and 334 arrests

In two incidents the victims sustained slash wounds and one incident involved a corrosive substance.
www.bbc.co.uk

I wonder when the full force of the law will be swiftly applied as per the riots?
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It is being what do you mean
 

Grendel

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  • Sep 1, 2024
  • #2,301
Sky Blue Pete said:
It is being what do you mean
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I think you know what he means
 
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MalcSB

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  • Sep 1, 2024
  • #2,302
Sky Blue Pete said:
It is being what do you mean
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Where are all the emergency court hearings and exemplary sentences? The pictures of the convicted plastered throughout the media?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 1, 2024
  • #2,303
MalcSB said:
Where are all the emergency court hearings and exemplary sentences? The pictures of the convicted plastered throughout the media?
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Given you seemingly already know the answer, do share.
 

chiefdave

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  • Sep 1, 2024
  • #2,304
MalcSB said:
Where are all the emergency court hearings and exemplary sentences? The pictures of the convicted plastered throughout the media?
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Has anyone been arrested? That’s a key step before you can lock people up!

Even if they have unless they are pleading guilty then I can’t imagine these are quick or easy cases and you want to be certain you’ve done everything you can to secure a conviction.

The rioters could be fast tracked because the evidence meant they have guilty pleas. And obviously there was a motive to fast track things and send a message to stop others from rioting. You get decades for murder and it’s clearly not working as a deterrent so not sure fast tracking would have much impact.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Sep 1, 2024
  • #2,305
We’ve got some rioting charges and sentences to be horrified by coming up soon. Maximum sentence 10 years
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Sep 1, 2024
  • #2,306
chiefdave said:
Has anyone been arrested? That’s a key step before you can lock people up!

Even if they have unless they are pleading guilty then I can’t imagine these are quick or easy cases and you want to be certain you’ve done everything you can to secure a conviction.

The rioters could be fast tracked because the evidence meant they have guilty pleas. And obviously there was a motive to fast track things and send a message to stop others from rioting. You get decades for murder and it’s clearly not working as a deterrent so not sure fast tracking would have much impact.
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Maybe a message should be sent to stop stabbings.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Sep 1, 2024
  • #2,307
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Given you seemingly already know the answer, do share.
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Nowhere
 

MalcSB

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  • Sep 1, 2024
  • #2,308
chiefdave said:
Has anyone been arrested? That’s a key step before you can lock people up!

Even if they have unless they are pleading guilty then I can’t imagine these are quick or easy cases and you want to be certain you’ve done everything you can to secure a conviction.

The rioters could be fast tracked because the evidence meant they have guilty pleas. And obviously there was a motive to fast track things and send a message to stop others from rioting. You get decades for murder and it’s clearly not working as a deterrent so not sure fast tracking would have much impact.
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Oh dear, you are trying to justify the unjustifiable.
If they had video footage of the rioters, why not for that hotbed of crime known as the Notting Hill Carnival. I’m not really talking about the murders, one of whom has been arrested. More about the nearly 60 assaults on emergency service workers and the 334 arrests.
The motive you describe is one rule for some, and a completely different rule for others.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Sep 1, 2024
  • #2,309
Nick said:
Maybe a message should be sent to stop stabbings.
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Exactly,
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Sep 1, 2024
  • #2,310
MalcSB said:
Exactly,
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UPDATE: Death of woman stabbed at Notting Hill Carnival

Three brothers have been charged in connection with the murder of Cher Maximen, who was stabbed at Notting Hill Carnival.
news.met.police.uk

Remanded in custody
 
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