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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 15, 2024
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Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Why don't you name an area specifically where this is the case .
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What is so controversial about saying that in areas with high knife crime you don’t search solely based on race? Genuinely what message does that send to those communities as a whole? It is quite literally a racist policy to discriminate just on race.
 
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hill83

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  • Aug 15, 2024
  • #2,032
2 tier policing has gone quiet when it suits weirdly
 
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Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Aug 15, 2024
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
What is so controversial about saying that in areas with high knife crime you don’t search solely based on race? Genuinely what message does that send to those communities as a whole? It is quite literally a racist policy to discriminate just on race.
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What do you mean by" black " specifically ? You keep referring to " black" people . Are you talking about those of African origin ? Are you including those from many parts of Asia, mixed race people or simply " black" , whatever that means?

If a police officer is out on patrol in a specific area of New Cross where there is , for argument sake, a 60% population of non white people and he sees two white youths who appear a bit out of place on that evening should he go out of his way to specifically target them because they are white or should he stop and search 6 people who are non white and four who are white because that reflects the demographic ?
 
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Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Aug 15, 2024
  • #2,034
Brighton Sky Blue said:
What is so controversial about saying that in areas with high knife crime you don’t search solely based on race? Genuinely what message does that send to those communities as a whole? It is quite literally a racist policy to discriminate just on race.
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If it's an area almost entirely white, or an area almost entirely non white, what's the issue there ?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 15, 2024
  • #2,035
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
What do you mean by" black " specifically ? You keep referring to " black" people . Are you talking about those of African origin ? Are you including Hindus, sikhs, mixed race people or simply " black" , whatever that means?

So if a police officer is out on patrol in a specific area of New Cross where there is a very high population of non white people and he sees two white youths should he go out of his way to specifically target them because they are white ?
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I am saying to not make race the basis on which you carry out your stop and search in whichever high knife crime area you choose. Because, and I can’t believe it needs restating yet again, it’s literally racist.
 
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hill83

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  • Aug 15, 2024
  • #2,036
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I am saying to not make race the basis on which you carry out your stop and search in whichever high knife crime area you choose. Because, and I can’t believe it needs restating yet again, it’s literally racist.
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Don’t forget certain types of people are predisposed to certain types of crime though. It’s in writing on this forum still.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 15, 2024
  • #2,037
hill83 said:
Don’t forget certain types of people are predisposed to certain types of crime though. It’s in writing on this forum still.
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The chief moderator on here agrees with it, that’s why.
 
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Nick

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  • Aug 15, 2024
  • #2,038
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I am saying to not make race the basis on which you carry out your stop and search in whichever high knife crime area you choose. Because, and I can’t believe it needs restating yet again, it’s literally racist.
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Its always going to play a part in certain areas though isn't it?

That's why I used a random place in Yorkshire, if knife crime is 80% white people but 90% of stop and search is non white people then there's an issue.

Not saying solely race, police will have gut feelings as well and will know their areas. I don't think there should be any sort of quota or anything but it will naturally be different depending on different areas.
 
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hill83

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  • Aug 15, 2024
  • #2,039
Nick said:
Its always going to play a part in certain areas though isn't it?

That's why I used a random place in Yorkshire, if knife crime is 80% white people but 90% of stop and search is non white people then there's an issue.

Not saying solely race, police will have gut feelings as well and will know their areas. I don't think there should be any sort of quota or anything but it will naturally be different depending on different areas.
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Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Aug 15, 2024
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
I am saying to not make race the basis on which you carry out your stop and search in whichever high knife crime area you choose. Because, and I can’t believe it needs restating yet again, it’s literally racist.
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If a police officer is out on patrol and there are 50 people on the street and of those 40 people are pink and 10 are orange and he decides to randomly search 5 of them then the chances are he will check more pink than orange . Is that wrong ?
 

mmttww

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  • Aug 15, 2024
  • #2,041
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Oh Jesus Christ
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Nah, he was Arabic, not black.
 

hill83

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  • Aug 15, 2024
  • #2,042
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
If a police officer is out on patrol and there are 50 people on the street and of those 40 people are pink and 10 are orange and he decides to randomly search 5 of them then the chances are he will check more pink than orange . Is that wrong ?
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Are we ignoring the MET police are institutionally racist follow a verified report or does that not count. Stuff like that doesn’t matter unless it suits?

Crack on though.
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Aug 15, 2024
  • #2,043
This thread is literally veering towards eugenics
 
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mmttww

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  • Aug 15, 2024
  • #2,044
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
If a police officer is out on patrol and there are 50 people on the street and of those 40 people are pink and 10 are orange and he decides to randomly search 5 of them then the chances are he will check more pink than orange . Is that wrong ?
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If you can explain what your LSD flashback has to do with a complex situation involving race and decades of discrimination, this might be worth answering.
 
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Nick

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  • Aug 15, 2024
  • #2,045
The point being made that in London, knife murders and attacks are disproportionately higher in the black community so naturally stop and searches would be higher, isn't it? (Higher. Not exclusively)
 
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Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Aug 15, 2024
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hill83 said:
Are we ignoring the MET police are institutionally racist follow a verified report or does that not count. Stuff like that doesn’t matter unless it suits?

Crack on though.
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Thanks Hill. I will.
 

hill83

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  • Aug 15, 2024
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Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Thanks Hill. I will.
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I’m in no doubt. You are in race threads more than football threads.
 
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Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Aug 15, 2024
  • #2,048
hill83 said:
I’m in no doubt. You are in race threads more than football threads.
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Which race thread specifically, Hill ?
 

hill83

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  • Aug 15, 2024
  • #2,049
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Which race thread specifically, Hill ?
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It’s all there to search mate.
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Aug 15, 2024
  • #2,050
hill83 said:
It’s all there to search mate.
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Which thread mate ?
 

hill83

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  • Aug 15, 2024
  • #2,051
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Which thread mate ?
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At least 40 posts in the George Floyd thread is where I first noticed you for starters
 
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hill83

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  • Aug 15, 2024
  • #2,052
All over the “lazy” thread
 
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hill83

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  • Aug 15, 2024
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All over the “taking the knee thread”
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Aug 15, 2024
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Nick said:
The point being made that in London, knife murders and attacks are disproportionately higher in the black community so naturally stop and searches would be higher, isn't it? (Higher. Not exclusively)
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I think this may be of interest to you

https://www.met.police.uk/foi-ai/metropolitan-police/disclosure-2023/october-2023/crimes-racial-groups-2022/
 

hill83

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  • Aug 15, 2024
  • #2,055
Even popping up in the Deeney thread
 

hill83

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  • Aug 15, 2024
  • #2,056
Question of sport thread


Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
David Haye, Dion Dublin, Dame Kelly . No, they're too old and none are diverse enough for the BBC.
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Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Aug 15, 2024
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hill83 said:
Even popping up in the Deeney thread
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Wow !
 

Nick

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  • Aug 15, 2024
  • #2,058
Ring Of Steel said:
I think this may be of interest to you

https://www.met.police.uk/foi-ai/metropolitan-police/disclosure-2023/october-2023/crimes-racial-groups-2022/
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Yeah, that says what I was saying? (Looking at spreadsheet on my phone so if I'm missing something let me know)
 

hill83

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  • Aug 15, 2024
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Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Wow !
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Aug 15, 2024
  • #2,060
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Which race thread specifically, Hill ?
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Aside from race specifically, you also asserted that all refugees arriving on boats were better dressed than you’ve ever been, and all demanded & were given Netflix, a 55 inch TV, smartphones and designer jackets as soon as they landed.
 
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hill83

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  • Aug 15, 2024
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Ring Of Steel said:
Aside from race specifically, you also asserted that all refugees arriving on boats were better dressed than you’ve ever been, and all demanded & were given Netflix, a 55 inch TV, smartphones and designer jackets as soon as they landed.
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“WOW ”
 
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Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Aug 15, 2024
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Ring Of Steel said:
Aside from race specifically, you also asserted that all refugees arriving on boats were better dressed than you’ve ever been, and all demanded & were given Netflix, a 55 inch TV, smartphones and designer jackets as soon as they landed.
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I don't recall saying they were given designer jackets as soon as they landed. They are certainly dressed better than me , that's for sure .
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Aug 15, 2024
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hill83 said:
“WOW ”
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Wowzer
 

hill83

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  • Aug 15, 2024
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Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Wowzer
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ZOINKS
 

rob9872

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  • Aug 15, 2024
  • #2,065
floccinaucinihilipilification
 
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