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PVA

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  • Aug 2, 2024
  • #1,366
BBC article on how the far right have been organising the riots.

And yes, it is the far right.

Violent Southport protests reveal far-right organising tactics

Online influencers, rather than formal leaders, are mobilising the extreme right on the streets.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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torchomatic

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  • Aug 2, 2024
  • #1,367
Gynnsthetonic said:
You really are trying to get a reaction with this aren't you.
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From whom? This is a discussion board, is it not? You're in no way obliged to react to anything I or anyone else posts.

That post listed facts about what is happening around the country and what might happen.

- Planned protest in High Wycombe. Police are ready to crack down on any violence
- Counter protests against right-wing disorder being planned around the country - that won't end well
- A march planned in Belfast where protestors are going to march and gather outside an Islamic Centre
- Man charged with violent disorder after 40 protestors gathered outside a Holiday Inn housing asylum seeker
- Southport residents concerned about future protest using the deaths of the girls as an excuse to riot
- Milton Keynes MP has received reports that protestors will be targeting mosques in the city.


Now, that list is pretty worrying. Stemming from the murderer of those poor kids. Someone who wasn't even a Muslim.

If Nick doesn't want this kind of thing posted on here, then he should tell me, warn me or ban me. You can obviously report anything I post. Nick will take swift action, I'm sure.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 2, 2024
  • #1,368
PVA said:
BBC article on how the far right have been organising the riots.

And yes, it is the far right.

Violent Southport protests reveal far-right organising tactics

Online influencers, rather than formal leaders, are mobilising the extreme right on the streets.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Oh dear. Nick will be after you.
 

torchomatic

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  • Aug 2, 2024
  • #1,369
nicksar said:
"Maybe we can talk about other mass murderers being in the scouts"
I know it shouldn't but that made me chuckle .
On balance I think a few things the press are currently mentioning are pretty pointless..... I'm sure the parents of the murdered and injured children will find little comfort in knowing the murderer was once a choir boy.
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It's pathetic.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Aug 2, 2024
  • #1,370
I find the ‘humanising’ of murderers like this unpleasant because their actions are not human.
But there is a desire for people to know more, and find out every minute detail about their past, their motive and goodness knows what else, so I don’t know how to avoid it.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Aug 2, 2024
  • #1,371
torchomatic said:
Oh dear. Nick will be after you.
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Oh look. Still, you can't actually have a simple discussion.

The other day it was "poor kids have died. Show respect in this thread" but now it's fine because something aligns with your politics so you will post it over and over.

Maybe somebody can post a list of things involving Muslims too, you will soon piss your pants.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Aug 2, 2024
  • #1,372
Ian1779 said:
I find the ‘humanising’ of murderers like this unpleasant because their actions are not human.
But there is a desire for people to know more, and find out every minute detail about their past, their motive and goodness knows what else, so I don’t know how to avoid it.
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Of course people will want to know more, probably more about what caused him to do such a thing, what his motives were, how it might be possible to prevent happening again etc.


Still, innocent choir boy.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Aug 2, 2024
  • #1,373
Nick said:
Is it? I think it's misleading.

He clearly wasn't normal.

Maybe we can talk about other mass murderers being in the scouts?
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You don’t think he was normal?
Wow ok
Abnormal enough to not be responsible for his actions?
 
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shmmeee

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  • Aug 2, 2024
  • #1,374
SBAndy said:
At what stage is the traditional ‘mug shot’ taken? On charging or on sentencing?
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Isn’t that a us thing?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Aug 2, 2024
  • #1,375
Sky Blue Pete said:
You don’t think he was normal?
Wow ok
Abnormal enough to not be responsible for his actions?
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I don't think anybody who targets a place with kids in just going to learn dances and decides to stab them all is normal, no.

Are you trying to say he isn't responsible for his actions?
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Aug 2, 2024
  • #1,376
Nick said:
I don't think anybody who targets a place with kids in just going to learn dances and decides to stab them all is normal, no.
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Born evil you think?
 

torchomatic

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  • Aug 2, 2024
  • #1,377
Nick said:
Oh look. Still, you can't actually have a simple discussion.

The other day it was "poor kids have died. Show respect in this thread" but now it's fine because something aligns with your politics so you will post it over and over.

Maybe somebody can post a list of things involving Muslims too, you will soon piss your pants.
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Great, there should be balance, so go ahead post a list of stuff about Muslims. This is what is happening now and so it is legitimate to post it. I will condemn all violence.
 

Nick

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  • Aug 2, 2024
  • #1,378
torchomatic said:
Great, there should be balance, so go ahead post a list of stuff about Muslims. This is what is happening now and so it is legitimate to post it. I will condemn all violence.
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I've already given you examples where you only want to condemn when it's a particular demographic.

You didn't answer then, it was the "ah but moderators" speil.

Just had a look for your posts about the police being attacked in the airport but can't seem to find those either?
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 2, 2024
  • #1,379
Nick said:
Totally agree, fuck around and find out.

Not sure about how people find "police brutality" entertaining but only if it's against a certain demographic and not another. It's just as I said in the airport thread that if it was Tommy Robinson hitting a copper and getting stamped on, the same people upset would have been loving it. (To be fair I would think fuck around and find out too).
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No, no they wouldn't think it was okay. I for one wouldn't and have said so many times.

Why are you continuing with this lie?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Aug 2, 2024
  • #1,380
David O'Day said:
No, no they wouldn't think it was okay. I for one wouldn't and have said so many times.

Why are you continuing with this lie?
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Because it isn't a lie, is it?
 

torchomatic

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  • Aug 2, 2024
  • #1,381
Sky Blue Pete said:
Born evil you think?
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I think some people are, aren't they? Some might act on their fantasies and "voices in their head" or whatever, but I imagine loads don't. It's scary to think what kind of people are wandering our streets.

Then on the flip side there are those that are radicalised that go on to do dreadful things like the 7/7 attacks.
 

David O'Day

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  • Aug 2, 2024
  • #1,382
Nick said:
Because it isn't a lie, is it?
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Yes, no one thinks it's okay to stamp on defenceless peoples heads apart from you and the EDL clowns.
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Aug 2, 2024
  • #1,383
Sky Blue Pete said:
You don’t think he was normal?
Wow ok
Abnormal enough to not be responsible for his actions?
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He knew what he was doing to a tee. Time, location, what was going on, who was there.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Aug 2, 2024
  • #1,384
David O'Day said:
Yes, no one thinks it's okay to stamp on defenceless peoples heads apart from you and the EDL clowns
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Of course, people see "police brutality" exactly the same regardless of the demographic.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Aug 2, 2024
  • #1,385
torchomatic said:
I think some people are, aren't they? Some might act on their fantasies and "voices in their head" or whatever, but I imagine loads don't. It's scary to think what kind of people are wandering our streets.

Then on the flip side there are those that are radicalised that go on to do dreadful things like the 7/7 attacks.
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I find myself quite a lot recently(!) reflecting if Baby Adolf used to gurgle and chuckle and play peep-o... or if he goose stepped from an early age.
 
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Gynnsthetonic

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  • Aug 2, 2024
  • #1,386
David O'Day said:
Yes, no one thinks it's okay to stamp on defenceless peoples heads apart from you and the EDL clowns.
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He deserved everything he got, no matter what race or religion. If I did that I'd expect the same, if I did abroad I'd expect worse. If you can dish it out expect it back.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Aug 2, 2024
  • #1,387
Nick said:
Of course, people see "police brutality" exactly the same regardless of the demographic.
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Mate, you have jumped the shark.

In your attempts to same side racism and bigotry you are accusing people of thinks they don't support
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 2, 2024
  • #1,388
Deleted member 5849 said:
I find myself quite a lot recently(!) reflecting if Baby Adolf used to gurgle and chuckle and play peep-o... or if he goose stepped from an early age.
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I'd put my money on the latter.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Aug 2, 2024
  • #1,389
David O'Day said:
Mate, you have jumped the shark.

In your attempts to same side racism and bigotry you are accusing people of thinks they don't support
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Oh yeah of course it's all completely made up.

Says the bloke who says violence isn't acceptable but then threatens to "kick heads in".
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Aug 2, 2024
  • #1,390
torchomatic said:
I think some people are, aren't they? Some might act on their fantasies and "voices in their head" or whatever, but I imagine loads don't. It's scary to think what kind of people are wandering our streets.

Then on the flip side there are those that are radicalised that go on to do dreadful things like the 7/7 attacks.
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I don’t accept that
There’s good and bad in everyone
Not saying we are all capable of what this guy did of course
 
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Nick

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  • Aug 2, 2024
  • #1,391
Sky Blue Pete said:
I don’t accept that
There’s good and bad in everyone
Not saying we are all capable of what this guy did of course
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I bet he sings a lovely Lord of the Dance, shame about his tendency to stab innocent young kids enjoying a dance class.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Aug 2, 2024
  • #1,392
Nick said:
I bet he sings a lovely Lord of the Dance, shame about his tendency to stab innocent young kids enjoying a dance class.
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Go on then psychologist guy
At what point should we have turned him another way
When did it become obvious he was capable of this
 
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Nick

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  • Aug 2, 2024
  • #1,393
Sky Blue Pete said:
Go on then psychologist guy
At what point should we have turned him another way
When did it become obvious he was capable of this
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We might find out one day after the rhetoric isn't to try and make people feel sorry for him. (Im on about all the shite about him being a choirboy etc etc).

What I do know is where he is now and that he should just be put down.

I imagine it's going to cost millions to protect him in prison too.
 

Otis

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  • Aug 2, 2024
  • #1,394
I think some are reading too much into the photo of the attacker.

It's clear to me that there is a deliberate "how could a boy like this turn into the killer he became" from the media. Makes a good story.

No-one is trying to paint him as a choirboy. I am certain it's much more of a look what he became.

Besides that, as someone already posted, the school photo was probably much more accessible.
 
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David O'Day

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  • Aug 2, 2024
  • #1,395
Gynnsthetonic said:
He deserved everything he got, no matter what race or religion. If I did that I'd expect the same, if I did abroad I'd expect worse. If you can dish it out expect it back.
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You think defenceless people deserve to have their heads stamped on?

Figures
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Aug 2, 2024
  • #1,396
Otis said:
I think some are reading too much into the photo of the attacker.

It's clear to me that there is a deliberate "how could a boy like this turn into the killer he became" from the media. Makes a good story.

No-one is trying to paint him as a choirboy. I am certain it's much more of a look what he became.

Besides that, as someone already posted, the school photo was probably much more accessible.
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They are literally using the words "choirboy" in the headlines too.

Why aren't the journalists looking into how and why he was the killer he became?
 

David O'Day

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  • Aug 2, 2024
  • #1,397
Nick said:
Oh yeah of course it's all completely made up.

Says the bloke who says violence isn't acceptable but then threatens to "kick heads in".
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There's a difference though isn't there, we are talking specifically about stamping on someone's head when they are defenceless.

Let's keep this truthful and not bring any strawmen into it.

Who apart from the EDL fella and yourself has stated that they would think it is okay to stamp on a defenceless persons head?
 

Gynnsthetonic

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  • Aug 2, 2024
  • #1,398
David O'Day said:
You think defenceless people deserve to have their heads stamped on?

Figures
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If you attack police officers, break police womens noses, attempt to snatch their tasers then yes. It was an international airport, what do they expect. I'd expect the same, but I'm no thug who would attempt such things thanks very much.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Aug 2, 2024
  • #1,399
David O'Day said:
There's a difference though isn't there, we are talking specifically about stamping on someone's head when they are defenceless.

Let's keep this truthful and not bring any strawmen into it.

Who apart from the EDL fella and yourself has stated that they would think it is okay to stamp on a defenceless persons head?
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"Lets not bring any strawmen into it" brings it in on the next line as well as a mistruth.

I haven't said it was OK to stamp on a defenceless person's head, I have said I had no issue with what happened and if anybody had attacked police then crack on with it.

Firstly, there was no stamp. It went to the side of his head. (There was a kick) Secondly, I don't class him as defenceless because of the context of what had happened and the split seconds between it happening.

I have even posted some examples of the silence when it's a particular demographic doing something and then the complete opposite when it's another from particular posters.
 

Otis

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  • Aug 2, 2024
  • #1,400
I don't wish to stir the pot here, but it's been bugging me for a couple of days.

When this story of the Southport incident first broke, there were a few comments on here from posters talking about certain SBT members being nowhere to be seen (the left, seemingly) while on other threads, these same left posters were all over those ones.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think I am...

The footage of the black person, simply walking down the street and being punched for no reason whatsoever, was on the Tommy Robinson thread. Been covered on here a little bit too

Looking at it, there don't seem to many posts at all about how awful that incident was and it appears that the sympathy there seems to come from the more left leaning on here.

It just surprised me, because everyone should be disgusted by that.

Panda put it up and I said it was disgusting and the ones who have liked my post are predominantly left leaning I would say.

Hardly anyone has commented on the incident and it seems like no-one from the right (including the ones bemoaning about the absentees at the onset of the Southport thread). Only Nick came out and said how disgusting it was that I can see. Then ADM posted something.

This might open a can of worms, but I can't understand why there aren't a lot, lot more comments of disgust on THAT incident and a lot more likes of posts decrying what happened.

That's much worse than the Manchester one, because at least there is an argument that the police came under attack and had the right to fight back

This guy in Hartlepool is simply walking down the road.

That's really upset me. He did nothing wrong past having the incorrect skin colour.

We should ALL be utterly condemning that.
 
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