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OK - i hadn't seen anything about that. Independently verified as carrying a machete???
OK - i hadn't seen anything about that. Independently verified as carrying a machete???The posts which flooded social media (and consequently caused the events Tony enquired about) were as follows:
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He asked a question, I answered
Dunno mate not the police nor was I there. I'm just explaining how the riots didn't fall out of thin air.OK - i hadn't seen anything about that. Independently verified as carrying a machete???
No, it's called sarcasm.Does it? Bold take.
But this Youtube channel being streamed from outside the court in Liverpool (i was just watching out of morbid curiosity) was just wall-to-wall horseshit in the comments. Maybe Google could close that channel down? But i doubt they would.This is unfortunately where we are with social media echo chambers, throw in Russian and probably Chinese bots/teams whipping up fury with further disinformation and you can see why the West is in a bit of bother
Social media platforms and posters need to held to account with regard to the spreading of disinformation, especially if it’s intentional. Thats not going to be easy but a hell of a lot more needs to be done
OK - i hadn't seen anything about that. Independently verified as carrying a machete???
If a Muslim turned up with a machete ( and I can't believe this to be true ) and he was linked to the mosque then I can understand if people would be extremely angry but I'm not at all sure that the actions of those attacking the mosque were motivated by this . Did they know of this machete - weildNo, it's called sarcasm.
It is not relevant that someone turned up with a a knife and was quickly arrested.
Pretty pathetic excuse isn’t it.Think it had something to do with a Muslim turning up with a machete
Hilarious not that the MSM have to come clean that they will not address their own misinformation.
I was just watching Sky and they were going on about being a trustworthy source of news.
Well I suppose they can say say they did not directly lie but how do they expect ever to be taken seriously.
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Here we go. That'll wind up the Robinson Militia.Think it had something to do with a Muslim turning up with a machete
If he turned up with a machete and is a muslim then to some people it's fair game to aim their anger at the local mosque, whether he attends or not.No, it's called sarcasm.
It is not relevant that someone turned up with a a knife and was quickly arrested.
He has a militia? I thought he just had a pool and a bad attitude.Here we go. That'll wind up the Robinson Militia.
Robinson's footsoldiers. They get arrested while he's sipping cocktails by his pool.He has a militia? I thought he just had a pool and a bad attitude.
There is a misunderstanding taking place here.If he turned up with a machete and is a muslim then to some people it's fair game to aim their anger at the local mosque, whether he attends or not.
There is a misunderstanding taking place here.
A riot happened, why? What caused a bunch of people to congregate and fly off the handle? This timeline being explained doesn't imply a condoning of the actions or an implicit support. You can analyse cause and effect scientifically without getting emotional.
Flippantly saying the excuse isn't good enough or not relevant is intellectually dishonest and generally dishonest, when the premise of the replies are a response to (ostensibly) asking for an explanation.
Children have been stabbed to death, that is the important actual topic here.
bollocks, you can try and intellectualise a bunch of thigs who turned up drunk to a vigil and then kick off with the police and smash up a mosque.There is a misunderstanding taking place here.
A riot happened, why? What caused a bunch of people to congregate and fly off the handle? This timeline being explained doesn't imply a condoning of the actions or an implicit support. You can analyse cause and effect scientifically without getting emotional.
Flippantly saying the excuse isn't good enough or not relevant is intellectually dishonest and generally dishonest, when the premise of the replies are a response to (ostensibly) asking for an explanation.
Children have been stabbed to death, that is the important actual topic here.
My take on each of them individually - in Southport I agree. In Leeds as you say Romanies. Rochdale was peaceful protest and that's fine imo. London despite a few unsavouries was also largely peaceful made worse by the Police. Southend was gang related I understand. And wtf Hartlepool was about I have no idea, definitely racists, but I'm not sure they even knew what their cause was, simply a warm night, seen it elsewhere and fancied causing mayhem.I think people are saying the excuse is a load of inaccurate shite spouted by racists and too quickly believed by idiots. Even in that picture the guy is clearly white but because he had a beard and a hat he must be a Muslim? And a flick knife becomes a machete.
Whatever way you spin it, it’s racists responsible for the racist riots just like it was Romanies responsible for the riots the other week, not social services.
how was it the polices fault racists tried to attack them in London?My take on each of them individually - in Southport I agree. In Leeds as you say Romanies. Rochdale was peaceful protest and that's fine imo. London despite a few unsavouries was also largely peaceful made worse by the Police. Southend was gang related I understand. And wtf Hartlepool was about I have no idea, definitely racists, but I'm not sure they even knew what their cause was, simply a warm night, seen it elsewhere and fancied causing mayhem.
Maybe, but all this isn't just down to Chinese or Russian bots. Or the BBC or whatever. Some of our right-wing politicians such as Farage, Tice, Anderson need to take some responsibility. There are hundreds of pockets of right-wingers who are more than up to cause trouble. They don't need anyone in St Petersberg to egg them on.This is unfortunately where we are with social media echo chambers, throw in Russian and probably Chinese bots/teams whipping up fury with further disinformation and you can see why the West is in a bit of bother
Social media platforms and posters need to held to account with regard to the spreading of disinformation, especially if it’s intentional. Thats not going to be easy but a hell of a lot more needs to be done
I blame the police dogs.how was it the polices fault racists tried to attack them in London?
Maybe, but all this isn't just down to Chinese or Russian bots. Or the BBC or whatever. Some of our right-wing politicians such as Farage, Tice, Anderson need to take some responsibility. There are hundreds of pockets of right-wingers who are more than up to cause trouble. They don't need anyone in St Petersberg to egg them on.
it's almost like people are shocked there would be a massive police presence for a protest at downing streetI blame the police dogs.
I'm sure that has a lot to do with it too, especially when they are organising their marches and their protests. However, I don't think the influence of right wing politicians and people such as Fox, Robinson, etc should be underestimated.I think the real issue is that it’s not media figures or politicians these days, it’s closed off WhatsApp groups with some really extreme shit being posted to them. And that’s on all sides, racists, islamists, Huw Edwards
Depends on what you've seen. I saw posts from a lot of the more moderate who said the policing was random and they let a lot of stuff go and took out bystanders. If I'd not spent the last 30 years watching similar stuff at football, I'd call them out for lying, but can well believe it with the met and some of the footage on X did look a bit heavy handed and ott. Were there racisst - absolutely and stirring the pot, but also lots who were with them for at least what they perceived as valid reasoning.how was it the polices fault racists tried to attack them in London?
The police in London were trying to maintain law and order on the streets close to our seat of power and a number of high-profile targets (buildings, monuments and individuals). From what i have seen (ironically from media posted by people trying to spin it otherwise) they came under sustained and inexcusable attacks from pissed-up racist (or at least xenophobic) thugs, and took appropriate action, including kettling to effect arrests of people who had committed offences.My take on each of them individually - in Southport I agree. In Leeds as you say Romanies. Rochdale was peaceful protest and that's fine imo. London despite a few unsavouries was also largely peaceful made worse by the Police. Southend was gang related I understand. And wtf Hartlepool was about I have no idea, definitely racists, but I'm not sure they even knew what their cause was, simply a warm night, seen it elsewhere and fancied causing mayhem.
I'm sure that has a lot to do with it too, especially when they are organising their marches and their protests. However, I don't think the influence of right wing politicians and people such as Fox, Robinson, etc should be underestimated.
That includes here. This is a social media platformThis is unfortunately where we are with social media echo chambers, throw in Russian and probably Chinese bots/teams whipping up fury with further disinformation and you can see why the West is in a bit of bother
Social media platforms and posters need to held to account with regard to the spreading of disinformation, especially if it’s intentional. Thats not going to be easy but a hell of a lot more needs to be done
I dont think Leeds was Muslim. It was Rochdale they were moaning at outside the police station after the copper in the airport thing, but from what I could see they were aggravating and protesting quite aggressively, but all within the law and there were no need for any arrests.The police in London were trying to maintain law and order on the streets close to our seat of power and a number of high-profile targets (buildings, monuments and individuals). From what i have seen (ironically from media posted by people trying to spin it otherwise) they came under sustained and inexcusable attacks from pissed-up racist (or at least xenophobic) thugs, and took appropriate action, including kettling to effect arrests of people who had committed offences.
As for the riots in Leeds and Southport, the police took the same course of action to contain the rioters, so this bollocks about "letting the Muslims get away with it" in Leeds, while clamping down hard on "patriots" in Southport is just that.
Hartlepool is just monkey-hanging territory and a law unto themselves!
It was allegedly sparked by the Roma community in Leeds, but there was an awful lot of south Asians taking part in the violent conduct.I dont think Leeds was Muslim. It was Rochdale they were moaning at outside the police station after the copper in the airport thing, but from what I could see they were aggravating and protesting quite aggressively, but all within the law and there were no need for any arrests.
I'm sure innocents were caught up in it, but I find it pretty staggering that some people just stand there filming stuff on their phones while it's all kicking off. Chances are you are going to get caught up in it and arrested. Just leave.Depends on what you've seen. I saw posts from a lot of the more moderate who said the policing was random and they let a lot of stuff go and took out bystanders. If I'd not spent the last 30 years watching similar stuff at football, I'd call them out for lying, but can well believe it with the met and some of the footage on X did look a bit heavy handed and ott. Were there racisst - absolutely and stirring the pot, but also lots who were with them for at least what they perceived as valid reasoning.
Very few weren’t
Awful. Hope that's not true.
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