You seem to to think posters with different views to yourself and Torch should be banned. Otis is sensible in that he's putting his views out there and listening to others. Show me any out and out racism on here where individuals have have used offensive language. If you have a view on anti immigration you're a racist it seems.What has actually happened however it's it's emboldened some to think they're right, and encouraged the impressionable to take on some of those views.
There's a difference between a different view and dangerous falsehoods and lies.
It's rather unsettling, because I can imagine that if this person IS named, their photo shown and their birth certificate, displayed, the likes of stylus would just say it's all been faked and the bloke is still definitely in his 30's.I don't think anyone will be influenced on here. The views are still their views.
I have been labelled the biggest racist on the forum by a certain somebody. Don't agree but he won't change his opinion.
I think it's just the way some put it across isn't it. It's the insinuation rather than out and out racism.You seem to to think posters with different views to yourself and Torch should be banned. Otis is sensible in that he's putting his views out there and listening to others. Show me any out and out racism on here where individuals have have used offensive language. If you have a view on anti immigration you're a racist it seems.
It's rather unsettling, because I can imagine that if this person IS named, their photo shown and their birth certificate, displayed, the likes of stylus would just say it's all been faked and the bloke is definitely in his 30's.
I'm sure we'll know for certain his age when he appears in court and I'm sure they'll name him too as hiding his name is probably not helping the situationI think it's just the way some put it across isn't it. It's the insinuation rather than out and out racism.
I am genuinely more than happy to read any other sources that are saying this lad is not 17 and is in his 30's.
Just need pointing in that direction, because I can't find a thing when I am searching.
Yeah, true. Conspiracy theories have indeed always been there. We didn't used to have the network of information we have now though.Conspiracy theories have existed well before social media. Of course this allows more access and so had the effect of increasing it but banning Sylus (who clearly is far right) achieved what exactly? He / she will still exist.
I agree. I think it's not helping in not naming himI'm sure we'll know for certain his age when he appears in court and I'm sure they'll name him too as hiding his name is probably not helping the situation
No, I think people who spout racism, faleshoods and conspiracy shyte without apology should be banned.You seem to to think posters with different views to yourself and Torch should be banned. Otis is sensible in that he's putting his views out there and listening to others. Show me any out and out racism on here where individuals have have used offensive language. If you have a view on anti immigration you're a racist it seems.
Targeting certain demographics is not acceptable as far as I am concerned. Obviously it is up to Nick whether he wants to have a forum that is just for certain types of people.Suppression of debate and opinion is not the correct approach
Targeting certain demographics is not acceptable as far as I am concerned. Obviously it is up to Nick whether he wants to have a forum that is just for certain types of people.
Shall we just have you and your friends views then shall weTargeting certain demographics is not acceptable as far as I am concerned. Obviously it is up to Nick whether he wants to have a forum that is just for certain types of people.
Why is it worse to attack an individual than a minority group? Should this forum become Skybluestalk for non Muslims?Surely its the people who want suppression who only want certain types of people?
If people are spouting racism I've got no problem with, calling out derogatory names then yes. The Internet is full of conspiracy and falsehoods, shall we ban the internet? Do you think some people are stupid enough to believe everything they hear and read. Some are some are notNo, I think people who spout racism, faleshoods and conspiracy shyte without apology should be banned.
There is a big difference between a different view, and the above. I have called out the racism and if you can't see it then that, I'm afraid, makes you one too as it's pretty bloody blatant!
Aren't you the bloke with the dog andf horse shit?
That's almost racist in itself, trying to incite shit, how do know if any Muslims are on here anyway and why would it matterWhy is it worse to attack an individual than a minority group? Should this forum become Skybluestalk for non Muslims?
Nah. I find Nick's views unpalatable at times, but it would be insulting to put him in the same box as GIMOC etc. Hate to say it, but Malc's a decent example of how to debate an opposite position politely isn't he? Even you are polite(ish!) to people who are polite to you(!) and you certainly have some radical views about the death penalty that I fuindamentally disagree with, but would never consider that worthy of censure.Surely its the people who want suppression who only want certain types of people?
Why is it worse to attack an individual than a minority group? Should this forum become Skybluestalk for non Muslims?
Yes, the story today of Lee Anderson stating there were illegal immigrants at his local Travelodge. Turned out they were NHS nurses. He's had to row back on that.So tricky these days, because things have clearly changed with the onset of social media.
I have never known this level of misinformation out there now, before.
And one person can post something online. Another will take it as fact and they post it too and then when you hear that same thing from 20 different sources, you start to believe it to be true.
Deepfaking and photoshopping is a major problem as well. Just adds fuel to the fire and you can make anything false, seemingly appear true.
It can be very dangerous. As we have seen. It can result in false information, the wrong people being named and all the main facts about the case being wrong
By then it's too late, as everyone is already fired up.
Coventry City supporters?Targeting certain demographics is not acceptable as far as I am concerned. Obviously it is up to Nick whether he wants to have a forum that is just for certain types of people.
No, the law of this country states he should not be named until and unless a judge in the Crown Court lifts the reporting restrictions on identifying a minor. And as he has been charged, it is now in the judicial process. Anyone who names him will be in contempt of court. That includes on here, so be careful, people.I agree.
As has been said, some people will know exactly who he is anyway. They would know him.
I think he should be named
No. What is not acceptable as far as I am concerned is targeting people because if their race or religion with hateful speech.Would you ban anyone who challenged the beliefs of Islam?
I have no problem with different views. I have no problem with sensible discussions on immigration or whatever. However, there have been many posts in this thread from the likes of GIMOC, Sylus and yourself with your "dog in a stable" comment, which are racist and/or racist tropes. Whether you think they/it are will be up for debate for you and some others. Not for me.You seem to to think posters with different views to yourself and Torch should be banned. Otis is sensible in that he's putting his views out there and listening to others. Show me any out and out racism on here where individuals have have used offensive language. If you have a view on anti immigration you're a racist it seems.
But not Muslim ones?Coventry City supporters?
I know, my world is too simple
No. You only need to read many of the posts on here to see they are stepping way beyond "challenging" those beliefs.Would you ban anyone who challenged the beliefs of Islam?
We still don't even know what's motivated him regardless of age, sex, religious or political view do we!No, the law of this country states he should not be named until and unless a judge in the Crown Court lifts the reporting restrictions on identifying a minor. And as he has been charged, it is now in the judicial process. Anyone who names him will be in contempt of court. That includes on here, so be careful, people.
The reason the wanker S*l*s is saying the accused is 30 is because there is evidence that some people entering the UK by means both legal and illegal say that they are a minor while claiming asylum, because that means that they get a cushy little number rather than being thrown in an immigration detention centre.
However, this person was born in Cardiff to refugee parents, so the authorities know EXACTLY how old he is. I suspect the parents arrived here and sought asylum after fleeing the horrors in Rwanda 20+ years ago. Why their son has turned out the way he has is anybody's guess, but i'm not fuelling that debate by speculating.
No, the law of this country states he should not be named until and unless a judge in the Crown Court lifts the reporting restrictions on identifying a minor. And as he has been charged, it is now in the judicial process. Anyone who names him will be in contempt of court. That includes on here, so be careful, people.
The reason the wanker S*l*s is saying the accused is 30 is because there is evidence that some people entering the UK by means both legal and illegal say that they are a minor while claiming asylum, because that means that they get a cushy little number rather than being thrown in an immigration detention centre.
However, this person was born in Cardiff to refugee parents, so the authorities know EXACTLY how old he is. I suspect the parents arrived here and sought asylum after fleeing the horrors in Rwanda 20+ years ago. Why their son has turned out the way he has is anybody's guess, but i'm not fuelling that debate by speculating.
No. What is not acceptable as far as I am concerned is targeting people because if their race or religion with hateful speech.
tbf, Rob is one of the 'good righties'. And yes I've had my run-ins with him before, and no I'm not going to repeat some of his posts of the past and stir it up(!) but fundamentally seems to be a half-decent person, who is polar opposite to me politically.But not Muslim ones?
In 99% of cases people wouldn't be frothing at the mouth to either name him or to find out where he was born. Where his parents are born, etc etc. Normally, I would say this should be kept out of the public domain, but right-wingers will turn this into a long summer of violence and disorder if he isn't named. Sad it has come to this.No, the law of this country states he should not be named until and unless a judge in the Crown Court lifts the reporting restrictions on identifying a minor. And as he has been charged, it is now in the judicial process. Anyone who names him will be in contempt of court. That includes on here, so be careful, people.
The reason the wanker S*l*s is saying the accused is 30 is because there is evidence that some people entering the UK by means both legal and illegal say that they are a minor while claiming asylum, because that means that they get a cushy little number rather than being thrown in an immigration detention centre.
However, this person was born in Cardiff to refugee parents, so the authorities know EXACTLY how old he is. I suspect the parents arrived here and sought asylum after fleeing the horrors in Rwanda 20+ years ago. Why their son has turned out the way he has is anybody's guess, but i'm not fuelling that debate by speculating.
100% agree, but that has to work both ways, often overlooked. And I dont mean on this board as this seems one way hatred and bile, but in more general terms. I think failing to recognise that by some, fuels the hatred and enables views to take some of the more moderate along with them.No. What is not acceptable as far as I am concerned is targeting people because if their race or religion with hateful speech.
Beat me to it.I assume when Labour let voting at 16 be introduced this will need to change as well as he is an adult?
I haven't seen that been suggested on here if I'm honestWhat about 4th generation 8 year olds with blonde hair and blue eyes being suggested they aren’t English because their great grandad was born in Jamaica?
I've already said I think Nick should get some more moderators. It also allows him to express his own views more easily, potentially, without being the one moderating himself(!)Also in terms of moderators - in reality these days there is one.
What is he supposed to do when he has a day job
Why don't some people ask to be one?
I haven't seen that been suggested on here if I'm honest
Correct, which is why i haven't. But while it will be used as an excuse for horrific acts, it will be important for the motivating factors to be understood, in case there are lessons to be learnt.We still don't even know what's motivated him regardless of age, sex, religious or political view do we!
And there are many things that could have done, all insulting to the memory of the dead to speculate on without some kind of knowledge... which none of us have.
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