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OffenhamSkyBlue

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  • Jul 30, 2024
  • #631
Otis said:
Without migrants the NHS would implode and the care system too.
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See also "Brexit"
 
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Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Jul 30, 2024
  • #632
fatso said:
Personally I don't take it literally when people say it's "muslims" that are the problem, I take it as the fundamentalist minority (Who are undoubtedly a problem) and not the vast majority
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It's trends, context, and world view. We all say or write offensive things at times because we all need proofreaders or thought police.

Most right thinking people are able to say sorry I don't mean that though, you're right that does sound a bit off... rather than double or triple down on it!

What are we supposed to do? Turn a blind eye? It's only a small number but they seem to have doubled the last day... all in one of the worse threads to do so... not that there's a good one!
 
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Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 30, 2024
  • #633
Nick said:
I get that dealing with people with opposing views to you is tough after you proudly tell everybody you dont speak to people with different political views but I was explaining why what he posted was bullshit and why it was very much wrong.
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It is actually tough to log in and see hate filled bile but I guess that's the kind of site you want.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 30, 2024
  • #634
Liquid Gold said:
It is actually tough to log in and see hate filled bile but I guess that's the kind of site you want.
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The irony is that people have no issue when they are throwing out hate filled bile if it agrees with their political stance.

Surely in the first instance it's at least better to be constructive and say hold on, do you actually mean how that sounded?

I don't doubt that some will mean how things sound, others won't. That goes for both sides of arguments.

Tough things to see are images of the poor kids, gut wrenching .

Is logging into the internet and seeing some think cunts copy and paste either "Muslims" or "Tommy Robinson" actually tough for you?
 
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Macca1987

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 30, 2024
  • #635
sylus said:
all the problems in this country are migrant related, has been for years
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You really need to go into a darkened room and stay away from the internet
 
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Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 30, 2024
  • #636
Nick said:
The irony is that people have no issue when they are throwing out hate filled bile if it agrees with their political stance.

Surely in the first instance it's at least better to be constructive and say hold on, do you actually mean how that sounded?

I don't doubt that some will mean how things sound, others won't. That goes for both sides of arguments.
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Why are you both siding racism?
 

fatso

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 30, 2024
  • #637
Deleted member 5849 said:
It's trends, context, and world view. We all say or write offensive things at times because we all need proofreaders or thought police.

Most right thinking people are able to say sorry I don't mean that though, you're right that does sound a bit off... rather than double or triple down on it!

What are we supposed to do? Turn a blind eye? It's only a small number but they seem to have doubled the last day... all in one of the worse threads to do so... not that there's a good one!
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I think due to the recent events, everyone's emotions are running high at the moment.

Maybe we should have a "cooling off" period in future should (God forbid) something horrific happen again.
 

sylus

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 30, 2024
  • #638
Liquid Gold said:
It is actually tough to log in and see hate filled bile but I guess that's the kind of site you want.
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so someone stabbing an killing 3 children and critically injuring others is NOT, as you call it hate filled bile.

you think this will stop, it will continue to happen until we do something about it, fact.

when we finally grow some it will stop and our wife's and children will be a little more safe
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 30, 2024
  • #639
sylus said:
so someone stabbing an killing 3 children and critically injuring others is NOT, as you call it hate filled bile.

you think this will stop, it will continue to happen until we do something about it, fact.

when we finally grow some it will stop and our wife's and children will be a little more safe
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What do want to do about it?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 30, 2024
  • #640
Liquid Gold said:
Why are you both siding racism?
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Surely it's being constructive and trying to discuss things and point out issues?

I get with some people there's absolutely zero chance of anything constructive.

As for "both siding", you have people randomly throwing skin colour into arguments that doesn't help either.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 30, 2024
  • #641
sylus said:
so someone stabbing an killing 3 children and critically injuring others is NOT, as you call it hate filled bile.

you think this will stop, it will continue to happen until we do something about it, fact.

when we finally grow some it will stop and our wife's and children will be a little more safe
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he is from Cardiff mate, he's not an immigrant.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 30, 2024
  • #642
sylus said:
so someone stabbing an killing 3 children and critically injuring others is NOT, as you call it hate filled bile.

you think this will stop, it will continue to happen until we do something about it, fact.

when we finally grow some it will stop and our wife's and children will be a little more safe
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Ok so how do I grow some and put a stop to it?
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 30, 2024
  • #643
Nick said:
Ok so how do I grow some and put a stop to it?
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Hitting the streets seems to be the idea, although I'm not sure what would entail.
 
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Macca1987

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 30, 2024
  • #644
sylus said:
so someone stabbing an killing 3 children and critically injuring others is NOT, as you call it hate filled bile.

you think this will stop, it will continue to happen until we do something about it, fact.

when we finally grow some it will stop and our wife's and children will be a little more safe
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And how are you going to do something about it, how will you determine when the next attack is going to come, or are you just going to lock up everyone who is different to you, or deport them even
 

SIR ERNIE

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 30, 2024
  • #645
Wow, I've just seen the photos of those three beautiful little girls. It makes you feel numb. There's pure evil amongst us and walking our streets. What has happened to this country.
 
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torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 30, 2024
  • #646
sylus said:
so someone stabbing an killing 3 children and critically injuring others is NOT, as you call it hate filled bile.

you think this will stop, it will continue to happen until we do something about it, fact.

when we finally grow some it will stop and our wife's and children will be a little more safe
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OK, imagine we were all on your side, we're all with you here. We're looking at you expectantly, "Sylus, tell us what to do!" we cry.

What do you say?
 
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Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 30, 2024
  • #647
Nick said:
Surely it's being constructive and trying to discuss things and point out issues?

I get with some people there's absolutely zero chance of anything constructive.

As for "both siding", you have people randomly throwing skin colour into arguments that doesn't help either.
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But when you try to be constructive and you just end up with more and more bigotry to justify it you're not engaging in conversation you're allowing a platform for someone to present some pretty unsavoury views.

This site has had its ups and downs but I never thought I would have to be arguing that initiating race riots shouldn't be allowed.
 
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Macca

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 30, 2024
  • #648
fatso said:
Absolutely, but the authorities need to find out how and where he got "moulded" and by whom and for what purpose.

And more importantly who else is out there likely to do similar acts.
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Or off his box on drugs
 
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Macca1987

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 30, 2024
  • #649
SIR ERNIE said:
Wow, I've just seen the photos of those three beautiful little girls. It makes you feel numb. There's pure evil amongst us and walking our streets. What has happened to this country.
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I cannot bring myself to view the pictures of these children. I have 7 grandkids, 2 are 9 and 6 year old girls who love their dancing, I don't know how I could even imagine anything like this happening to them, and then on here we are talking about the problems with the whole country, can we not just focus on these kids and their families, and for all of you on here that have little ones, whether kids or grandkids, hold them a little bit closer today and every day
 
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torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 30, 2024
  • #650
SIR ERNIE said:
Wow, I've just seen the photos of those three beautiful little girls. It makes you feel numb. There's pure evil amongst us and walking our streets. What has happened to this country.
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It's heartbreaking, but this has always happened. Dunblane, Hungerford, Cumbria, Plymouth, London, Manchester....the IRA and their campaigns. It never gets any easier to understand motivations of the perpetrators.
 
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SkyBlue_Bear83

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 30, 2024
  • #651
Confirmed as cardiff born to rwandan parents
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 30, 2024
  • #652
Liquid Gold said:
But when you try to be constructive and you just end up with more and more bigotry to justify it you're not engaging in conversation you're allowing a platform for someone to present some pretty unsavoury views.

This site has had its ups and downs but I never thought I would have to be arguing that initiating race riots shouldn't be allowed.
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Do you mean the "take to the streets"? Which has been called out?

Do you really always end up with more bigotry when you try to be constructive?

Otis explained clearly how the difference in wording sounds, that was constructive.

Will it work with everybody, obviously not.
 

Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 30, 2024
  • #653
Nick said:
Do you mean the "take to the streets"? Which has been called out?

Do you really always end up with more bigotry when you try to be constructive?

Otis explained clearly how the difference in wording sounds, that was constructive.

Will it work with everybody, obviously not.
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Been called out and then then bloke posts more and more to try and justify it.

It only takes one young impressionable person to see it and you could end up with more shite going on.
 

fatso

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 30, 2024
  • #654
Macca said:
Or off his box on drugs
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Possibly, but I have a nagging feeling that if he has a drug or mental health issue we'd of heard about it very quickly.


Just a hunch.
 

Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 30, 2024
  • #655
Rwanda is an overwhelmingly Christian country so I doubt it is radical Islam being the motive here.

I know we haven't heard mental health yet but I can't see anything other than some psycho completely losing it.
 
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David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 30, 2024
  • #656
SkyBlue_Bear83 said:
Confirmed as cardiff born to rwandan parents
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A very Christian country.
 
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David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 30, 2024
  • #657
Liquid Gold said:
Rwanda is an overwhelmingly Christian country so I doubt it is radical Islam being the motive here.

I know we haven't heard mental health yet but I can't see anything other than some psycho completely losing it.
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2% muslim at their last census it seems
 

Ccfcisparks

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 30, 2024
  • #658
David O'Day said:
2% muslim at their last census it seems
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That wont matter to most. The goalposts will just be shifted to any migrants.
 

David O'Day

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 30, 2024
  • #659
Ccfcisparks said:
That wont matter to most. The goalposts will just be shifted to any migrants.
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He's not a migrant either, if we say all people with non "British" ancestors then there's a lot of folk in for a shock.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 30, 2024
  • #660
Liquid Gold said:
Been called out and then then bloke posts more and more to try and justify it.

It only takes one young impressionable person to see it and you could end up with more shite going on.
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OK so you have an issue with somebody saying "take to the streets" and being called out on it.

Yet you posted this about people arming themselves and taking to the streets? You also mention civil disobedience and not being peaceful.

 
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torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 30, 2024
  • #661
Ccfcisparks said:
That wont matter to most. The goalposts will just be shifted to any migrants.
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Sad, but true.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 30, 2024
  • #662
sylus said:
all the problems in this country are migrant related, has been for years
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You should be directing your anger at the British education system, it clearly failed you.
 
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Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 30, 2024
  • #663
Nick said:
OK so you have an issue with somebody saying "take to the streets" and being called out on it.

Yet you posted this about people arming themselves and taking to the streets? You also mention civil disobedience and not being peaceful.

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I'd mentioned what I would do in that narrow context if I was involved in that movement - which I'm not.

It was an analysis of a moment of history and in a very American context. It was also a discussion about violent and non-violent protest which is something I have studied at length.

Of course I don't encourage people knocking around with automatic weapons, if you note my posting history I am very pro gun control.

It's very different to someone saying we should take to the streets in this country, now, and attack a vulnerable population.
 

rob9872

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 30, 2024
  • #664
clint van damme said:
You should be directing your anger at the British education system, it clearly failed you.
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I bet you double and triple checked this short sentence before releasing
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 30, 2024
  • #665
Liquid Gold said:
I'd mentioned what I would do in that narrow context if I was involved in that movement - which I'm not.

It was an analysis of a moment of history and in a very American context. It was also a discussion about violent and non-violent protest which is something I have studied at length.

Of course I don't encourage people knocking around with automatic weapons, if you note my posting history I am very pro gun control.

It's very different to someone saying we should take to the streets in this country, now, and attack a vulnerable population.
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OK so you can say because somebody was killed in America they should block off police stations with automatic rifles and cause trouble but if somebody says it about kids being killed in this country it's bad?

Was it every cop you wanted blocked off with automatic rifles that were guilty then?

It was very much encouraging violence, it wasn't far off the shite that posted about "hitting the streets" that got called out as nonsense.

Could change a couple of words in that post if you want? That was also there to discuss.
 
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