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Domo

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #1

A message from Gareth Southgate

Three Lions boss to leave role after 102 games in charge
www.englandfootball.com
 

SeaSeeEffCee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #2
Top man. Will be remembered fondly once the dust has settled, but it was time to step down. Important we get the next appointment right.
 
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Evo1883

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #3
Boring negative football , buh bye
 
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HadjiChippo

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #4
It’s the right choice for all parties ultimately, and fair play to him for doing it so quickly. Gives plenty of time to get the right person in and start planning.
 
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Perennial Lurker

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #5
It was time for him to go
 
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Bugsy

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #6
Fair play to him, done aswell as he could but couldn't bring it home. Done the right thing in my eyes.
 
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SeaSeeEffCee

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #7
Betting odds on Tuchel were sliced last night down from 33/1 to 6/1. Really hope it’s not him, don’t rate him at all.
 
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Perennial Lurker

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #8
SeaSeeEffCee said:
Betting odds on Tuchel were sliced last night down from 33/1 to 6/1. Really hope it’s not him, don’t rate him at all.
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He's used to managing big players though he wouldn't be my first choice
 

skybluecam

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #9
Goes down as one of our greatest ever managers despite the criticism and now is the right time to leave. We have a lot to thank him for.
 
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alexccfc99

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #10
A great man who conducts himself with pure class but a change was needed, four tournaments is enough of a fair chance for anyone

If we go on to win some trophies in the future I do genuinely believe we will be thanking him for changing the culture and ethos around the national team - Wish him well
 
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Frostie

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #11
Inevitable & right decision. Done a good job but taken us as far as he can.
 
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AJB1983

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #12
Problem we’ve got is that we don’t really have any English managers who’ve won anything major, whereas other countries do have that. And I think you need that in order to get over the line - which is why we went down the foreign manager route before.
Lee Carsley won the under 21 championship.
Otherwise I can’t think of anyone else?
going to be extremely difficult.
 
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PVA

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #13
He was exactly what was needed at the time and did a fantastic job of changing the whole attitude of the England players and the fans' outlook towards England.

But we've outgrown him now and he's not the right manager for this group of players, and it's time for someone else to have a go.
 
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Potbellypig

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #14
Nailed on the FA are choosing Carsley.
 

Evo1883

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #15
Last 2 euro winners have been teams that actually went for it and played good attacking football .. we already have the blueprint
 
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fatso

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #16
Evo1883 said:
Last 2 euro winners have been teams that actually went for it and played good attacking football .. we already have the blueprint
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And were lucky enough to play against a poor team.
 

Evo1883

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #17
fatso said:
And were lucky enough to play against a poor team.
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We should have beat Italy , but he's gone now .. these arguments are for the archives
 

Otis

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #18
Lovely bloke and unified the squad off the pitch, but short of the quality and nous needed to take England to the ultimate level.
 
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HadjiChippo

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  • Jul 16, 2024
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AJB1983 said:
Problem we’ve got is that we don’t really have any English managers who’ve won anything major, whereas other countries do have that. And I think you need that in order to get over the line - which is why we went down the foreign manager route before.
Lee Carsley won the under 21 championship.
Otherwise I can’t think of anyone else?
going to be extremely difficult.
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To be fair, De La Fuente hadn’t won anything major as a manager until he took over Spain’s full team (not including youth championships)

I don’t think we should judge Howe and Potter too harshly for not winning anything major, as the top clubs with a serious chance of winning anything in this country have been a pretty closed shop managerially.

Plus, we’ve seen what a basket case Chelsea have been recently so am apprehensive about judging Potter too harshly for not succeeding there in such a short period of time.
 
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SkyBlueCharlie9

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #20
FA could go for Lee Carsley.
 

Sick Boy

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #21
Wouldn’t be surprised if they went for Lampard.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 16, 2024
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HadjiChippo said:
To be fair, De La Fuente hadn’t won anything major as a manager until he took over Spain’s full team (not including youth championships)

I don’t think we should judge Howe and Potter too harshly for not winning anything major, as the top clubs with a serious chance of winning anything in this country have been a pretty closed shop managerially.

Plus, we’ve seen what a basket case Chelsea have been recently so am apprehensive about judging Potter too harshly for not succeeding there in such a short period of time.
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I won't judge them harshly, I'm just not sure the England job is so attractive for them if your reputation gets trashed for not winning the world cup in the style of Brazil 1982 or 86. Potter maybe as he's out of work, but assuming Newcastle will be reasonably patient with Howe, wouldn't his better bet be to try and win something with them, so his reputation holds up when he inevitably fails with England (as everybody has since 1966)?
 

TomRad85

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #23
Both Potter and Howe and far better managers than Southgate

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Grendel

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  • Jul 16, 2024
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TomRad85 said:
Both Potter and Howe and far better managers than Southgate

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I think they’d be hopeless at national level
 
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1ccfc

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #25
How about Sarina Wiegman? Knows the FA already, lots of experience, good with the media and has won trophies.
 
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  • Jul 16, 2024
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Sick Boy said:
Wouldn’t be surprised if they went for Lampard.
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Back to the times of not qualifying for tournaments if so.
 
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Joy Division

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #27
I think whoever the next manager is will be hoping he gets the luck that Southgate did with the draws in each tournament. Yes I think he did well unifying the squad and the whole set-up, but the fawning over him from some I feel seem to ignore the fact that he's had an easy ride to get to these Semi-Finals/Finals. Anytime we've come up against decent opposition he's failed (Germany 2021 aside)
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Jul 16, 2024
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Grendel said:
I think they’d be hopeless at national level
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Potter would be out of his depth. He couldn't cope with the Chelsea job so certainly couldn't take the pressure of the England job.

Howe is inconsistent and can be tetchy with the media which is disastrous for an England manager. He really should have done better at Newcastle with the resources he has had. Does have periods of success though.
 

baldy

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #29
1ccfc said:
How about Sarina Wiegman? Knows the FA already, lots of experience, good with the media and has won trophies.
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No thanks - stick to her own inferior sport - awful suggestion
 

HadjiChippo

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  • Jul 16, 2024
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TomRad85 said:
Both Potter and Howe and far better managers than Southgate

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I don’t think there’s any rhyme or reason for what makes a good international team manager. On paper, Steve McLaren is a better, and more successful manager than Southgate, yet McLarens England run was abysmal and Southgate was a nose hair from 2 euro championships.
 

Joy Division

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  • Jul 16, 2024
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Deleted member 9744 said:
Potter would be out of his depth. He couldn't cope with the Chelsea job so certainly couldn't take the pressure of the England job.

Howe is inconsistent and can be tetchy with the media which is disastrous for an England manager. He really should have done better at Newcastle with the resources he has had. Does have periods of success though.
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To be fair I don't think any of the subsequent managers could cope with the job after Potter so might be harsh to judge him on that. I think he's a good coach, good enough for England? I'm unsure.
 

nicksar

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #32
Sick Boy said:
Wouldn’t be surprised if they went for Lampard.
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I wouldn't be surprised either.
 

skybluecam

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #33
Lampard & Gerrard as co managers I reckon
 
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  • Jul 16, 2024
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TomRad85 said:
Both Potter and Howe and far better managers than Southgate

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Brian Potter would have been better than Southgate
 
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  • Jul 16, 2024
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Michael Carrick
 
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