So where does Robins rank amongst managers? (1 Viewer)

Otis · Jun 1, 2018

Okay, so it was League Two this time, but he still achieved some success.

Where would he rank amongst managers we've had since the days of Jimmy Hill?

Cantwell
Mercer
Milne
Sexton
Gould
Mackay
Curtis/Sillett
Butcher
Neal
Atkinson
Strachan
Nilsson
McAllister
Black
Reid
Adams
Dowie
Coleman
Boothroyd
Thorn
Mowbray
Slade

Surely above many of those, as many of those were abject failures. Obviously below Sillett and Curtis and Milne and Cantwell, but where would you place him exactly?

If he achieves promotion again this coming season I would say he has to be right up there just behind Sillett and Curtis.

We gain promotion against this season and he will be a legend for sure.

PurpleBin · Jun 1, 2018

Probably in his bathroom or bedroom I guess. Same as the rest of them.

pusbccfc · Jun 1, 2018

Well up there. Yes, it was league 2, but he did something no others have.

We've had manager after manager who have failed, especially under SISU. Robins changed that.

skybluetony176 · Jun 1, 2018

Certainly not taxi material. Got to be the best since Sillett/Curtis. That’s probably stating the obvious though.

Otis · Jun 1, 2018

Yep. Can't judge Black. He simply didn't have long enough at the helm.

Some will argue on Mowbray perhaps (he who shalt not be named), but I would of course rate Robins higher, as would most.

McAllister and Slade and Thorn and Coleman were nothing less than completely disastrous. Butcher too.

Terry_dactyl · Jun 1, 2018

Otis said:
Yep. Can't judge Black. He simply didn't have long enough at the helm.

Some will argue on Mowbray perhaps (he who shalt not be named), but I would of course rate Robins higher, as would most.

McAllister and Slade and Thorn and Coleman were nothing less than completely disastrous. Butcher too.

...and Reid

Hobo · Jun 1, 2018

Otis said:
Yep. Can't judge Black. He simply didn't have long enough at the helm.

Some will argue on Mowbray perhaps (he who shalt not be named), but I would of course rate Robins higher, as would most.

McAllister and Slade and Thorn and Coleman were nothing less than completely disastrous. Butcher too.

Reid, Mercer, Boothroyd, and Mackay were also pretty rubbish and ineffective as was Don Howe.

Dave Sexton was the opportunity missed.

itsabuzzard · Jun 1, 2018

Took me a wee while to work this one out

PurpleBin said:
Probably in his bathroom or bedroom I guess. Same as the rest of them.

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JulianDarbyFTW · Jun 1, 2018

Imho, it won't be until he's long gone that we can realistically judge his achievements. That said, I like the cut of his jib, and as things stand, he's top of the list for the best manager since 87 - in fact, he has two trophies under his belt with us, which must make him one of our most decorated managers?

Mucca Mad Boys · Jun 1, 2018

He’s our most successful since we got relegated out of the Prem. That is indisputable. I can’t really comment on the period of history before that.

Grendel · Jun 2, 2018

Otis said:
Yep. Can't judge Black. He simply didn't have long enough at the helm.

Some will argue on Mowbray perhaps (he who shalt not be named), but I would of course rate Robins higher, as would most.

McAllister and Slade and Thorn and Coleman were nothing less than completely disastrous. Butcher too.

Why are Sillett and Curtis combined?

Otis · Jun 2, 2018

You never heard of George and John's Sky Blue Army then?

Sbarcher · Jun 2, 2018

Without doubt the best we have had this season.

Amcoventry · Jun 2, 2018

To hard to answer, different years, different divisions, different budgets. Still he's done the job this year. Good on him and the team.

Grendel · Jun 2, 2018

Otis said:
You never heard of George and John's Sky Blue Army then?

They weren’t though really. As Sillett said afterwards he did all the team selection coaching and tactics and also was on his own when we had two very successful seasons afterwards

Grendel · Jun 2, 2018

Amcoventry said:
To hard to answer, different years, different divisions, different budgets. Still he's done the job this year. Good on him and the team.

It’s impossible to compare

Has he done as well as Phil Neal for example, probably not.

Covstu · Jun 2, 2018

Don’t think we need to compare to be honest, he has done what he was set out to do but we won’t know if his objective was automatically promoted at the start of the season so only just meeting that target. We had a good cup run which was rare and proved you can actually do both. Even in league one we are at least a league under where we should be. A good manager can do it consistently so let’s see how next year plays out

Skyblueweeman · Jun 2, 2018

Being a youngster at 38, I’d say he’s easily our best manager since Sillett.

In fact, I’d say he’s not far off our best of all time. I know we’re in L2 but he’s totally galvanised the club in a positive way.

* The club was literally at its lowest point when he took over.

* He’s changed the mentality of being a club reliant on loans.

* We ‘seem’ to be less of a selling club since he’s been here. Maybe just coincidence but...

* He’s got the best (and 2nd best) win % of any sole manager in our history.

* He’s transfer record is probably as good as we’ve had (given the resources).

* He’s handled the expectations of Cov fans well.

* He conducts himself admirably in the press.

* He’s won two trophies.

I know different eras mean it’s more difficult to compare, especially in different divisions but in my time, no manager has been as great as him.

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Alan Dugdales Moustache · Jun 2, 2018

If he gets us into the championship within 3 seasons he's up there with some of the best, and we haven't had many successful managers bar Sillett, Milne and JH of course. If he gets us to the premiership he overtakes two of those in terms of moving the club forward.
...if we don't get a ricoh deal none of it matters.

chiefdave · Jun 2, 2018

I started going when Big John was manager and since then there's only really been Nilsson and Dowie who offered a glimmer of hope.

The rest has been pretty dire, some spectacularly so. Has any other club had so many appalling managers like Reid, Slade and Thorn?

Robins has to be the best since Sillett. If he can build on this relationship between the players and fans and get the club up to the championship in the next couple of years playing in front of 25K he'll be right up there with Jimmy.

fatso · Jun 2, 2018

Well, By hook or by crook he managed to achieve what he set out to do at the start of the season, Even if he had to rely on getting into the playoffs with 1 game to spare, and then needed the worse display of refereeing in living memory to get past Notts County.
Let’s not forget though, that we were the biggest club in league2 and we’re favourites for automatic promotion, So you could argue that we actually underachieved.
Under Gordon Milne, (and many others) we were one of the smallest teams with the lowest budget,
And we’re always among the favourites for relegation, So we proberbly over achieved for many many years.
Next season will be a defining one for Robbins. If he can address our inconsistencies, we have a good chance of back to back promotions. Now that would set him apart from all but Jimmy Hill.

Mr Panda · Jun 2, 2018

He can only win whats infront of him and so far that's a checkatrade trophy and a play off final.

In my lifetime he's absolutely the best.

itsabuzzard · Jun 2, 2018

Covstu said:
Don’t think we need to compare to be honest, he has done what he was set out to do but we won’t know if his objective was automatically promoted at the start of the season so only just meeting that target. We had a good cup run which was rare and proved you can actually do both. Even in league one we are at least a league under where we should be. A good manager can do it consistently so let’s see how next year plays out

I don't understand this "where we should be" stance. The assumption that we should be anywhere in particular is perverse. Back to back promotions would be a massive achievement, but I don't expect it to happen.

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NortonSkyBlue · Jun 2, 2018

Robins has a chequered record as a manager but is suited to this club.
His record is very good for us and he deserves time and support and our patience.
My opinion of him is that he had bad luck on occasions and had the gods shining on him at times.
In comparing him with others it must be said that he is head and shoulders, by record and as a man for this club, above his predecessors and I hope he can build his reputation in tandem with the clubs rise.

jimmyhillsfanclub · Jun 2, 2018

See I'm of the opinion that the vast majority of managers are just bang average......some elevate themselves slightly by being in the right place at the right time and get lucky at a club.....almost always just the one club.....

Since dropping from the top flight, we've appointed a long list of these type of managers who have already had their lucky day in the sun never to be repeated.......

....it appears we may finally have hit lucky and got a bang average manager who will have his purple patch whilst here.....

......with some massively overdue luck and a following wind, it could even possibly stretch another full season.

covcity4life · Jun 2, 2018

Otis said:
Yep. Can't judge Black. He simply didn't have long enough at the helm.

Some will argue on Mowbray perhaps (he who shalt not be named), but I would of course rate Robins higher, as would most.

McAllister and Slade and Thorn and Coleman were nothing less than completely disastrous. Butcher too.

They were disasterous yet mowbray worst manager in ccfc history according to you

Covstu · Jun 2, 2018

itsabuzzard said:
I don't understand this "where we should be" stance. The assumption that we should be anywhere in particular is perverse. Back to back promotions would be a massive achievement, but I don't expect it to happen.

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Neither do I but we are a club that should be at least in the championship in my opinion

Otis · Jun 2, 2018

covcity4life said:
They were disasterous yet mowbray worst manager in ccfc history according to you

From top of the table to bottom of the table.

That's some mighty mean feat.

tigersb · Jun 3, 2018

Otis said:
Yep. Can't judge Black. He simply didn't have long enough at the helm.

Some will argue on Mowbray perhaps (he who shalt not be named), but I would of course rate Robins higher, as would most.

McAllister and Slade and Thorn and Coleman were nothing less than completely disastrous. Butcher too.

When did Voldemort join the forum ???

Sky Blue Pete · Jun 3, 2018

jimmyhillsfanclub said:
See I'm of the opinion that the vast majority of managers are just bang average......some elevate themselves slightly by being in the right place at the right time and get lucky at a club.....almost always just the one club.....

Since dropping from the top flight, we've appointed a long list of these type of managers who have already had their lucky day in the sun never to be repeated.......

....it appears we may finally have hit lucky and got a bang average manager who will have his purple patch whilst here.....

......with some massively overdue luck and a following wind, it could even possibly stretch another full season.

Yep the lucky sod. Losing his two creative stars for the whole season

Grendel · Jun 3, 2018

jimmyhillsfanclub said:
See I'm of the opinion that the vast majority of managers are just bang average......some elevate themselves slightly by being in the right place at the right time and get lucky at a club.....almost always just the one club.....

Since dropping from the top flight, we've appointed a long list of these type of managers who have already had their lucky day in the sun never to be repeated.......

....it appears we may finally have hit lucky and got a bang average manager who will have his purple patch whilst here.....

......with some massively overdue luck and a following wind, it could even possibly stretch another full season.

That’s 100% correct. Without hindsight the only ridiculous appointment was the people’s choice Thorn who was clearly a disaster in waiting.

kapowaz · Jun 3, 2018

Otis said:
From top of the table to bottom of the table.

That's some mighty mean feat.

The squad disintegrated just in time for the new season, following on from our typical late season running out of steam. I guess you can possibly lay the personnel failures at his door, but the quality of the squad was transparently not good enough and relegation felt inevitable months before the season ended. Look how different the team that won the Checkatrade under Robins is to the team that beat Exeter; he knew that squad wasn’t fit for purpose.

Still, the first half of 15/16 was an exciting time, and we looked a great side, albeit not for a whole season.

kapowaz · Jun 3, 2018

Grendel said:
Without hindsight the only ridiculous appointment was the people’s choice Thorn who was clearly a disaster in waiting.

You didn’t need to read the tea leaves to see sacking Eric Black to put Reid in charge wasn’t going to go well, especially when the first thing he did was fly to Euro 2004 to sit in a TV studio...

clint van damme · Jun 3, 2018

kapowaz said:
especially when the first thing he did was fly to Euro 2004 to sit in a TV studio...

and spend his time getting absolutely legless when not sat in said studio.

TheParsonsHose · Jun 3, 2018

He rates quite highly for me in the league he has managed us in. Has given the younger generation who have to google Phil Neal and perhaps others something to be proud of in what is a very different era.

This question has very different answers from the old guard vs our new generation of fans that’s for sure.

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