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Nick

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  • Jun 26, 2019
  • #36
shy_tall_knight said:
You mean Hoffman elliot etc.. Personally very disappointed they allowed WASPs in and been part of this dubious tactic, always saw the Hoff as a good guy
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They also allowed Dale Evans in.

He also helped bring SISU in didn't he?
 

pastythegreat

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 26, 2019
  • #37
clint van damme said:
Who are these interested parties?
I doubt Hoffman can afford it now Oversons pulled out. That's probably the reason they are trying to distress the club because they need the price knocked down.
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And if they go too far and distress the club til it folds, plan b is the trust have it in writing for a Phoenix club to play at the Ricoh.
All bases covered.
 
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shy_tall_knight

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  • Jun 26, 2019
  • #38
CCC approved SISU's ownership also. But as underhand as all this is, are we all just hoping for a favourable EC ruling because if that fails where do we go from there hoping WASPs continue to fail that may take years
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jun 26, 2019
  • #39
pastythegreat said:
And if they go too far and distress the club til it folds, plan b is the trust have it in writing for a Phoenix club to play at the Ricoh.
All bases covered.
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Strange how the trust wanted to play it down when David Johnson slipped up with those comments at a meeting wasn't it? How did he know a Phoenix Club could play at the Ricoh?
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 26, 2019
  • #40
Sad that it takes Overson coming out and directly saying it before the Telegraph wake up to what is going on.

Certainly explains why Hoffman said the other day he’s not bidding again.

Maybe finally the Telegraph and CWR will wake up and actually do their jobs.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 26, 2019
  • #41
SBAndy said:
I’m going out on a limb here - Richard Overson will be the club’s next owner.
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Saddest part is if it wasn’t for the councils actions he’s in a position to have bought the club and the stadium.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jun 26, 2019
  • #42
shy_tall_knight said:
CCC approved SISU's ownership also. But as underhand as all this is, are we all just hoping for a favourable EC ruling because if that fails where do we go from there hoping WASPs continue to fail that may take years
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I don't really care about the EC ruling, but if it does find something amiss then I want the council coffers reimbursed and the people responsible for the irregularity investigated.

I don't want Coventry tax payers money used to subsidise an out of town rugby club.
 
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oldfiver

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  • Jun 26, 2019
  • #43
shy_tall_knight said:
You mean Hoffman elliot etc.. Personally very disappointed they allowed WASPs in and been part of this dubious tactic, always saw the Hoff as a good guy
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Deluded!
Look at his history with the Club
 

pastythegreat

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 26, 2019
  • #44
Nick said:
They also allowed Dale Evans in.

He also helped bring SISU in didn't he?
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He also had a mad hatter as his spokesman
 
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Senior Vick from Alicante

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  • Jun 26, 2019
  • #45
I think when he means by involved is that they may have given contractual details to Hoffman to help him get a financial picture of what the club may be worth. It's not a direct conversation of you give us a 20% stake for free access to the stadium and f and b income. Either way it's fucking underhand and Hoffman needs to be questioned on it. And they say hedge funds are underhand!
 
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shy_tall_knight

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  • Jun 26, 2019
  • #46
clint van damme said:
I don't really care about the EC ruling, but if it does find something amiss then I want the council coffers reimbursed and the people responsible for the irregularity investigated.

I don't want Coventry tax payers money used to subsidise an out of town rugby club.
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But you do care because if the case is proven it will impact on WASPs / Ricoh and CCFC. However if there is no case what's SISU's next strategy ?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jun 26, 2019
  • #47
Senior Vick from Alicante said:
I think when he means by involved is that they may have given contractual details to Hoffman to help him get a financial picture of what the club may be worth. It's not a direct conversation of you give us a 20% stake for free access to the stadium and f and b income. Either way it's fucking underhand and Hoffman needs to be questioned on it. And they say hedge funds are underhand!
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Enough to make a member of the consortium drop out?
 

clint van damme

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  • Jun 26, 2019
  • #48
shy_tall_knight said:
But you do care because if the case is proven it will impact on WASPs / Ricoh and CCFC. However if there is no case what's SISU's next strategy ?
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I don't care in as much as I'm not rooting for an outcome either way. I just hope if there is something a miss, it picks up on it.
 
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bradwellskyblues

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  • Jun 26, 2019
  • #49
one glance at Gary Hoffman,s cv shows what a successful and competent man he is , he is also a life long fan of ccfc what i cant understand how he has made such a complete horlicks of running the consortium trying to buy ccfc frankly nasal nige could of done better
 

better days

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  • Jun 26, 2019
  • #50
chiefdave said:
Sad that it takes Overson coming out and directly saying it before the Telegraph wake up to what is going on.

Certainly explains why Hoffman said the other day he’s not bidding again.

Maybe finally the Telegraph and CWR will wake up and actually do their jobs.
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I'd put that down to the fact that they now have direct quotes from Overson they can use
Previously there has been supposition & suspicion but now we have someone at the heart of things who's brave enough to stand up and be counted
Richard Overson is coming out of this with a lot of credit
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jun 26, 2019
  • #51
better days said:
I'd put that down to the fact that they now have direct quotes from Overson they can use
Previously there has been supposition & suspicion but now we have someone at the heart of things who's brave enough to stand up and be counted
Richard Overson is coming out of this with a lot of credit
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I think you're giving them too much credit mate.
They've been hopeless at best and at worse have allowed themselves to be manipulated in order to push an agenda.
 
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Paul Anthony

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  • Jun 26, 2019
  • #52
It's taken far too long for this to blow up in the public domain. Questions needed to be asked sooner, they should have been all over it.
 
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CCFC88

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  • Jun 26, 2019
  • #53
He even said, the only reason this has come to light is because the press decided to speak to him about the ST donation.

He sounds pretty open to it all so I'd expect one call a few months ago from the telegraph and he would have spoken then. The telegraph have come across this by accident not by decent journalism.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jun 26, 2019
  • #54
so what does everyone think is going on here?
The timing of this is a bit strange coming so soon after the Joy interview.
Anyone got any theories as to what the agenda is? I personally haven't a clue though it's proven a few things most of us were already fairly certain about regarding the cartels involvement in all of this. .
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jun 26, 2019
  • #55
CCFC88 said:
He even said, the only reason this has come to light is because the press decided to speak to him about the ST donation.

He sounds pretty open to it all so I'd expect one call a few months ago from the telegraph and he would have spoken then. The telegraph have come across this by accident not by decent journalism.
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Not having that, there was an article hidden away in the print version that mentioned it. They didn't mention anything online about it or dig any further into it.
 

Nick

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  • Jun 26, 2019
  • #56
clint van damme said:
so what does everyone think is going on here?
The timing of this is a bit strange coming so soon after the Joy interview.
Anyone got any theories as to what the agenda is? I personally haven't a clue though it's proven a few things most of us were already fairly certain about regarding the cartels involvement in all of this. .
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Same as it always has been, get rid of SISU at all costs regardless of the damage it causes. Get a yes man in.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jun 26, 2019
  • #57
Nick said:
Same as it always has been, get rid of SISU at all costs regardless of the damage it causes. Get a yes man in.
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I'm talking about Overson Nick, are you?
 

chiefdave

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  • Jun 26, 2019
  • #58
clint van damme said:
I'm talking about Overson Nick, are you?
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I'd take it at face value. The CT spoke to him about the donation so he took the chance to point out he was no longer in the consortium as he'd seen people on line (presumably this forum) saying he was.

As crap at journalism as the telegraph are if someone tells you they've left the consortium there's no way you don't follow that up with asking them why.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jun 26, 2019
  • #59
clint van damme said:
I'm talking about Overson Nick, are you?
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Oh sorry, just was in general.

I am not sure, I know he supports the academy an awful lot and made the donation as well. I assume his donation was to get one up over Joy with the amount he donated.

I had heard he had left the consortium.
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 26, 2019
  • #60
On a personal level, I hope we stay at Birmingham for the whole season, just to see where wasps are at come this time next year financially, fuck them
 
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eastwoodsdustman

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 26, 2019
  • #61
Nick said:
Oh sorry, just was in general.

I am not sure, I know he supports the academy an awful lot and made the donation as well. I assume his donation was to get one up over Joy with the amount he donated.

I had heard he had left the consortium.
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Maybe he was just donating 4 tickets rather than one upmanship
 
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no_loyalty

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  • Jun 26, 2019
  • #62
Wasn't it rumoured that Bryan Richardson had joined the consortium? if so maybe Overson left because of him?
 

chiefdave

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  • Jun 26, 2019
  • #63
One of the good things about Overson coming out and saying this is he has a level of credibility pretty much everyone else involved in this saga lacks. Be pretty hard for Wasps or the council, or even the likes of the Wasps forum members, to just dismiss what he has said.
 
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GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee

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  • Jun 26, 2019
  • #64
Nick said:
Oh sorry, just was in general.

I am not sure, I know he supports the academy an awful lot and made the donation as well. I assume his donation was to get one up over Joy with the amount he donated.

I had heard he had left the consortium.
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I initially thought that too but he also donated £1,040 which is exactly 4 adult season tickets. I imagine as cash isn't really a barrier for him, he wanted to donate a whole amount in terms of season tickets.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Jun 26, 2019
  • #65
no_loyalty said:
Wasn't it rumoured that Bryan Richardson had joined the consortium? if so maybe Overson left because of him?
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Ranson has been seen at games recently with Hoffman and Elliott, are you getting mixed up with him? Or maybe Derek Richardson the Wasps owner.
 

clint van damme

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  • Jun 26, 2019
  • #66
chiefdave said:
I'd take it at face value. The CT spoke to him about the donation so he took the chance to point out he was no longer in the consortium as he'd seen people on line (presumably this forum) saying he was.

As crap at journalism as the telegraph are if someone tells you they've left the consortium there's no way you don't follow that up with asking them why.
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could be, but there has been so much coming out in the media recently that I'm sceptical.
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Jun 26, 2019
  • #67
He sounds like the sort of person that I'd be happy to have involved in the club. Has a decent personal fortune that he could waste but more than that seems to genuinely care about the club. Heard there was an opportunity to get involved so did, walked away when it became apparent it was dodgy and didn't let that cloud his judgement so got involved in a different way by supporting the academy. No previous involvement with any of the dodgy characters on any side and seems level headed and decent.
 
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no_loyalty

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  • Jun 26, 2019
  • #68
chiefdave said:
Ranson has been seen at games recently with Hoffman and Elliott, are you getting mixed up with him? Or maybe Derek Richardson the Wasps owner.
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Maybe yes, I thought I had read it somewhere?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jun 26, 2019
  • #69

Obviously not an issue, nothing to do with him watching games from Hoffman's box.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jun 26, 2019
  • #70
no_loyalty said:
Wasn't it rumoured that Bryan Richardson had joined the consortium? if so maybe Overson left because of him?
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Wrong Richardson I think
 
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