I think you should take 100 likes off him for being awkward!
I'm pretty certain I just asked.
Funny how the "gang" got theirs transferred over immediately
Well yourself, Grendel etc, I can't believe you've received thousands of likes in the time the new site has been up.
No, that's trying to have a dig. Most people said "Where have all my likes gone?" and I have said "Don't worry, when I get to a computer I will add them for you as it is a manual process".
Yep, then you went again in your next post.Where's myface gone in that quote?
That's a clear indication of a joke, which you yourself regularly use to show a light hearted post.
Yep, then you went again in your next post.
Predictable somebody would say something like it though
I've moved loads over? Dongo, Tony,duffer, osb etc.
What's your point?
When I had a spare few minutes I sat and did a few as well, purposely tried to think of a range of posters who post a lot and did theirs.
I had to read every post you got a like for in case there was like fraudThat was obviously the problem. You moved mine first and it took that long you haven't had chance to move anyone else's yet.
Am I right?
The club will never own a stadium. We don't own the Ricoh and we wont own the Butts and we wont own the pie-in-the-sky new stadium. It's just a case of who we will owe money to. It's makes more sense to stay at the Ricoh rather than take on additional debt, at least until we get promoted (if ever).Is there a will to own our stadium? Should this be our focus or do we stay tenants of a nomadic Rugby Club?
And this is the issue. It seems we have two choices.The club will never own a stadium. We don't own the Ricoh and we wont own the Butts and we wont own the pie-in-the-sky new stadium. It's just a case of who we will owe money to. It's makes more sense to stay at the Ricoh rather than take on additional debt, at least until we get promoted (if ever).
Looking at the 14/15 accounts, the ticket revenue was c£1.76m and we averaged c8k, which is about £9.50 per person per visit.
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Its shocking when you look at those figures.Actually league average was 9332 and it was less than £8.40 per person per visit - haven't factored in any cup games
Frim what i understsndnJR2 won't be taking wasps to court, its about CCC decision.Would like to know what Sisu hope to achieve by taking to court both parties that they will need to help them/us in the future?
It appears to me that they are like an upset child in a tantrum and unable to apply logic to the situation.
Would like to know what Sisu hope to achieve by taking to court both parties that they will need to help them/us in the future?
It appears to me that they are like an upset child in a tantrum and unable to apply logic to the situation.
But the logic is, as OSB eloquently explained, that Wasps are playing hard ball, and don't need us at the Ricoh, so what's the point of staying if we get very little benefit financially of being there? unless mid table league one mediocrity is what you aspire to.
But the logic is, as OSB eloquently explained, that Wasps are playing hard ball, and don't need us at the Ricoh, so what's the point of staying if we get very little benefit financially of being there? unless mid table league one mediocrity is what you aspire to.
Wasps are not going to roll over and it's up to Sisu to get the best deal they can not give in because they don't get 100%. It will always be a compromise.
The trouble is that the deal needs to be future proof so needs to take into account additional 'other' incomes should we go up the league. Increased rent yes but things like corporate etc will increase and we need good access to those incomes.
Can't see how Sisu can seriously negotiate with outstanding legal battles, particularly as JR2 will challenge the deal between CCC and Wasps.
To say the 17 points have been rejected is incorrect.
All depends on the business case of where you are moving to and the reasons for doing it
You see I can quite easily see that we move and nothing really changes. We could easily be mid table mediocre L1 side at either venue. We may get a season of success and promotion but unless the owners are prepared to invest heavily every year then I can not see it being maintained. My own guess is that to maintain position in Championship it is probably going to require upwards of £5m extra money from the owners every year on top of the 365 day incomes from the set up. That means even more debt piled on to the club on top of the debt already costing over £1.3m interest now.
But there will be extra income from the BPA ground, well yes but there will be extra costs too, together with a capacity ceiling. Not to mention the costs of building will need to be met.
I put an idea forward yesterday that the other elements to the project might be the real driver in this. In which case you could see CCFC trapped in a 15k stadium with no real net income gain and the only benefit being able to say its not the Ricoh. SISU could arrange the sale of the rental collecting property company to say a pension fund and take a return. I think one retort was whats in it for CRFC - well they have the long lease they would have a nice ground not too big and if the property company sold off would have a nice pot of money.
Staying at the Ricoh restricts income as it presently stands but it also for the time being restricted cost. The £100k rent is artificially low and offset by income that the club gets for little or no cost. That will certainly change if they stay there.
All depends on what is actually driving this for the CCFC owners. The driver for CRFC I would think a new ground.
Again I repeat this is just conjecture on my part. But I don't see what keeps SISU here other than a return for its investors
Wasps are not going to roll over and it's up to Sisu to get the best deal they can not give in because they don't get 100%. It will always be a compromise.
The trouble is that the deal needs to be future proof so needs to take into account additional 'other' incomes should we go up the league. Increased rent yes but things like corporate etc will increase and we need good access to those incomes.
Can't see how Sisu can seriously negotiate with outstanding legal battles, particularly as JR2 will challenge the deal between CCC and Wasps.
To say the 17 points have been rejected is incorrect.
Its not SISU negotiating. Its Chris Anderson on behalf of CCFC. How do other companies manage to work together when one is taking legal action? Not like its a situation unique to us.Can't see how Sisu can seriously negotiate with outstanding legal battles, particularly as JR2 will challenge the deal between CCC and Wasps.
Where has this come from? Do you have information the rest of us don't?To say the 17 points have been rejected is incorrect.
Where's Otis's?
Key word there is currently.Currently we have to pay circa £4500 per match { based on League games only }.
To say the 17 points have been rejected is incorrect.
Key word there is currently.
Also worth pointing out matchday costs have been bumped up which, to all intents and purposes, is the equivalent to a rent increase. Its still a hell of a lot less than we were paying before though.
Matchday costs is used as a catch all for a number of things. So while there are certain things we would indeed have to pay, others we wouldn't or would get at a much lower rate. For example before having all stands open and car park spaces were a couple of examples of things covered in matchday costs, since our return they aren't. If we want extra blocks open we pay more. When we need to provide parking for players, staff, media etc we have to pay for the spaces.Also worth pointing out that we'd have to pay matchday costs whatever our situation including a partnership at the BPA.
Where has this come from? Do you have information the rest of us don't?
To say the 17 points have been rejected is incorrect.
I'm referring to the posts above saying it's been rejected outright.So Italia, despite repeated requests, we are still waiting for you to tell us how the 17 points being rejected is incorrect?
Is there any chance of an answer?
All depends on the business case of where you are moving to and the reasons for doing it
You see I can quite easily see that we move and nothing really changes. We could easily be mid table mediocre L1 side at either venue. We may get a season of success and promotion but unless the owners are prepared to invest heavily every year then I can not see it being maintained. My own guess is that to maintain position in Championship it is probably going to require upwards of £5m extra money from the owners every year on top of the 365 day incomes from the set up. That means even more debt piled on to the club on top of the debt already costing over £1.3m interest now.
But there will be extra income from the BPA ground, well yes but there will be extra costs too, together with a capacity ceiling. Not to mention the costs of building will need to be met.
I put an idea forward yesterday that the other elements to the project might be the real driver in this. In which case you could see CCFC trapped in a 15k stadium with no real net income gain and the only benefit being able to say its not the Ricoh. SISU could arrange the sale of the rental collecting property company to say a pension fund and take a return. I think one retort was whats in it for CRFC - well they have the long lease they would have a nice ground not too big and if the property company sold off would have a nice pot of money.
Staying at the Ricoh restricts income as it presently stands but it also for the time being restricted cost. The £100k rent is artificially low and offset by income that the club gets for little or no cost. That will certainly change if they stay there.
All depends on what is actually driving this for the CCFC owners. The driver for CRFC I would think a new ground.
Again I repeat this is just conjecture on my part. But I don't see what keeps SISU here other than a return for its investors
Really? Is that a fact? I'd like to see what you know on this.
The court case nonsense is hogwash as well as wasps have offered as I understand it a deal to the club - nothing to do with court cases.
I believe there are huge issues all over the place and they are miles apart especially on certain key areas.
What have you heard about the actual rental proposal that the club has been offered as a league one rent? I would be interested definitely in that.
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