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So not a terrorist then (1 Viewer)

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  • Start date Mar 26, 2017
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clint van damme

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  • Mar 27, 2017
  • #36
Sky Blue Kid said:
You mean "Guilty till proven innocent"
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No, I mean our foreign policy is a disaster and I empathise with anyone caught in the middle of what's going in in the middle east who just wants to get on with their lives in peace.
 

Sky Blue Kid

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  • Mar 27, 2017
  • #37
clint van damme said:
No, I mean our foreign policy is a disaster and I empathise with anyone caught in the middle of what's going in in the middle east who just wants to get on with their lives in peace.
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I wonder what the ISIS foreign policy is:jawdrop:
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 27, 2017
  • #38
Sky Blue Kid said:
I wonder what the ISIS foreign policy is:jawdrop:
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I suppose the argument would be that they are a bunch of terrorist and we're not???
 

clint van damme

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  • Mar 27, 2017
  • #39
Sky Blue Kid said:
I wonder what the ISIS foreign policy is:jawdrop:
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they haven't got one, they're barbaric, but I think you can make a strong case for them being a by product of western foreign policy.
Again, I fell for law abiding citizen who gets caught up in their violence.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Mar 27, 2017
  • #40
Sky Blue Pete said:
What is a terrorist?
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One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
 
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wingy

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  • Mar 27, 2017
  • #41
If you take the religion out of it what is the motivation?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Mar 27, 2017
  • #42
wingy said:
If you take the religion out of it what is the motivation?
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In this particular instance, or in general?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Mar 27, 2017
  • #43
Margaret Thatcher said:
A considerable number of the ANC leaders are Communists… When the ANC says that they will target British companies, this shows what a typical terrorist organisation it is. I fought terrorism all my life… I will have nothing to do with any organisation that practises violence. I have never seen anyone from ANC or the PLO or the IRA and would not do so.
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Conservative MP Terry Dicks said:
How much longer will the Prime Minister allow herself to be kicked in the face by this black terrorist? How much longer will the Government kneel at his feet, when he does nothing but abuse her?
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Daily Mail about Mandela's 70th Birthday concert said:
The ANC and its leader Nelson Mandela have no more claim to be saints or heroes than do the Provisional IRA with their lynch mobs and car bombers.
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Until 2008, Mandela was on the USA's terrorism watch list. 2008. He therefore needed special state clearance to enter the USA.

Now, that's not the view most have of Mandela now.
 
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rob9872

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  • Mar 27, 2017
  • #44
Deleted member 5849 said:
Until 2008, Mandela was on the USA's terrorism watch list. 2008. He therefore needed special state clearance to enter the USA.

Now, that's not the view most have of Mandela now.
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Very true - never reoffended, showing that prison can work
 
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wingy

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  • Mar 27, 2017
  • #45
Deleted member 5849 said:
In this particular instance, or in general?
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In general.
 

Gazolba

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  • Mar 28, 2017
  • #46
I can only give my own definition. Terrorism is a violent, criminal act done to induce terror in the general population and done for some political purpose.
A terrorist is someone who plans, supports or commits an act of terrorism and owes allegiance to some terrorist ideology or terrorist group.
Accidental bombing of civilians is not terrorism or a terrorist act by my definition.
Bear in mind that the targets of such attacks often deliberately move civilians near to them for propaganda purposes.
 
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covcity4life

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  • Mar 28, 2017
  • #47
accidental bombing civillians? or not caring enough about them to cancel bombings?
 

Sky Blue Kid

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  • Mar 28, 2017
  • #48
covcity4life said:
accidental bombing civillians? or not caring enough about them to cancel bombings?
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Accidental "Ploughing down and knifing anything in the way"..... or "Not caring who gets killed/maimed/hurt?
 

covcity4life

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  • Mar 28, 2017
  • #49
Sky Blue Kid said:
Accidental "Ploughing down and knifing anything in the way"..... or "Not caring who gets killed/maimed/hurt?
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who on earth called Westminster accidental in the first place?

you are the only one trying to diminish innocent lives lost
 
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Sky Blue Kid

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  • Mar 28, 2017
  • #50
covcity4life said:
who on earth called Westminster accidental in the first place?

you are the only one trying to diminish innocent lives lost
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Strange you only complain about British/American attacks(Unconfirmed)
If you'd care to research, Iraqi SF asked for Drone cover. It was given under Iraqi intelligence...... The way some people talk, the only ever aggressors in the world have been British and American. Who protected Britain from the Romans, Vikings, Normans, French, Spanish, the list goes on.

As for "trying to diminish innocent lives lost[/QUOTE]"..... I'm waiting for confirmation of a deliberate act on behalf of the coalition before apportioning blame. Is there any need to wait for confirmation on the deliberate murder of innocent lives in London?
 
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covcity4life

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  • Mar 28, 2017
  • #51
how do i ONLY complain about british american attacks? i was one of the first to condemn evil in the westminister thread.

you are showing you only see it from 1 side. i see humans as the same, something you cannot seem to comprehend.
 
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Sky Blue Kid

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  • Mar 28, 2017
  • #52
covcity4life said:
how do i ONLY complain about british american attacks? i was one of the first to condemn evil in the westminister thread.

you are showing you only see it from 1 side. i see humans as the same, something you cannot seem to comprehend.
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I comprehend the difference between Pre meditated Murder, and accident.
 

Sky Blue Kid

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  • Mar 28, 2017
  • #53
Deleted member 5849 said:
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
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So freedom fighters in the UK that murder innocent people is alright with you then???
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Mar 28, 2017
  • #54
Sky Blue Kid said:
So freedom fighters in the UK that murder innocent people is alright with you then???
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I made no value judgement, you tool. I merely remarked on different perceptions by different people in response to a general question, asking 'what is a terrorist?'
 
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Sky Blue Kid

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  • Mar 28, 2017
  • #55
[QUOTE="covcity4life, post: 1303096, member: 1401"]accidental bombing civillians? or not caring enough about them to cancel bombings?[/QUOTE]

You make it sound like deliberate killing of civillians.
 

Sky Blue Kid

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  • Mar 28, 2017
  • #56
Deleted member 5849 said:
I made no value judgement, you tool. I merely remarked on different perceptions by different people.
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The biggest TOOL is you for making that statement.
 

covcity4life

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  • Mar 28, 2017
  • #57
you don't understand the saying "one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter?"

LOOOL
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Mar 28, 2017
  • #58
Sky Blue Kid said:
The biggest TOOL is you for making that statement.
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You really are a massive twat at times.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Mar 28, 2017
  • #59
Sky Blue Kid said:
I comprehend the difference between Pre meditated Murder, and accident.
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I'm sure the Luf
Sky Blue Kid said:
[QUOTE="covcity4life, post: 1303096, member: 1401"]accidental bombing civillians? or not caring enough about them to cancel bombings?
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You make it sound like deliberate killing of civillians.[/QUOTE]

what do you think's going to happen when you drop bombs?
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 28, 2017
  • #60
covcity4life said:
you don't understand the saying "one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter?"

LOOOL
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It's a fairly lazy sixth form type of label people use for Stalinist murderers such as Castro and his sidekick with a beret
 

clint van damme

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  • Mar 28, 2017
  • #61
Grendel said:
It's a fairly lazy sixth form type of label people use for Stalinist murderers such as Castro and his sidekick with a beret
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But it's true. There will be people who see that clown in London the other day as some sort of freedom fighter.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 28, 2017
  • #62
Grendel said:
It's a fairly lazy sixth form type of label people use for Stalinist murderers such as Castro and his sidekick with a beret
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Simplistic maybe. Don't get me wrong in any way. The act was monstrous and absolutely cold blooded murder by an individual who'd normed somehow driving his car at high speed at fellow human beings. But the immediate link from our nationalistic media to portray him as a foot soldier of Isis I think seems unnecessary and too early to say.

What was his aim? Motivation if you will? The reason I ask is that some aims appear worthy and to be supported, others not so much.

United Ireland
Suppression of freedom
Women votes
Apartheid
Yoke of empire - removal of occupying forces
War

Think his mum and daughter have been courageous to speak out in the way they have
 

covcity4life

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  • Mar 28, 2017
  • #63
of course it is true. In india 2 Sikhs assasinated indra gandhi after she ordered attack on the golden temple. They are seen as heroes to many in sikh community whilst hindus hated them so much they commited genocide over it in 1984.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Mar 28, 2017
  • #64
Grendel said:
It's a fairly lazy sixth form type of label people use for Stalinist murderers such as Castro and his sidekick with a beret
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Bololocks is it.
 
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Sky Blue Kid

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  • Mar 28, 2017
  • #65
clint van damme said:
But it's true. There will be people who see that clown in London the other day as some sort of freedom fighter.
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And billions around the world will see him as a cold blooded murderer!
 

Sky Blue Kid

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  • Mar 28, 2017
  • #66
Deleted member 5849 said:
You really are a massive twat at times.
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Shouldn't open you legs too wide... were getting an echo.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 28, 2017
  • #67
Sky Blue Kid said:
Shouldn't open you legs too wide... were getting an echo.
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Has the echo stopped?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Mar 28, 2017
  • #68
Sky Blue Pete said:
Think his mum and daughter have been courageous to speak out in the way they have
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Is it courageous? Surely it's the only thing they can do?
 
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covcity4life

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  • Mar 28, 2017
  • #69
Sky Blue Kid said:
And billions around the world will see him as a cold blooded murderer!
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Exactly right!!!

This proving one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter!

Glad we got there in the end.
 
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Sky Blue Kid

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  • Mar 28, 2017
  • #70
Nick said:
Has the echo stopped?
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Nope just started again.
 
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