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So is it bye bye Les? (1 Viewer)

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  • Start date Dec 19, 2013
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shmmeee

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  • Dec 19, 2013
  • #106
I don't really follow Twitter, but just had a look over some conversations Reid's had and it looks in some places like deleted tweets. Can anyone who follow regularly confirm if anything particularly incendiary has been removed?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 19, 2013
  • #107
Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
I agree. Big IF. I don't like the way he's conducted himself on Twitter, but wouldn't cast any doubt as to his honesty. BUT, equally, if there is any truth, his motivation for fraternising would be one for which some sort of explanation would be due, surely?
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Doesn't exactly seem radical journalist behaviour to get people drunk and hope their guard slips!
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

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  • Dec 19, 2013
  • #108
Deleted member 5849 said:
Doesn't exactly seem radical journalist behaviour to get people drunk and hope their guard slips!
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That could be an explanation. Have you seen much evidence of this sabre-sharp investigative nous in evidence in his writings?
 
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wingy

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  • Dec 19, 2013
  • #109
Deleted member 5849 said:
Doesn't exactly seem radical journalist behaviour to get people drunk and hope their guard slips!
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Half the stuff expressed on here of an evening stems from a few fortifying looseners.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 19, 2013
  • #110
Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
That could be an explanation. Have you seen much evidence of this sabre-sharp investigative nous in evidence in his writings?
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Frankly, I see the same as virtually every local (and pretty many national) reporter, that he has a line to peddle, he peddles it.

All this nonsense about being neutral is just that, nonsense. The biggest disservice he does himself is, in fact, claiming to be neutral when there's absolutely no reason for him to be and, frankly, would be a damned less likely to sell papers if he didn't peddle a line!

Just because you take an angle doesn't necessarily make what you say irrelevant as a result, however. The same, for example, applies to David Conn, whose angle is hardly hidden. In fact the only difference is he positively embraces his position taking!
 

bigfatronssba

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  • Dec 19, 2013
  • #111
Deleted member 5849 said:
Frankly, I see the same as virtually every local (and pretty many national) reporter, that he has a line to peddle, he peddles it.

All this nonsense about being neutral is just that, nonsense. The biggest disservice he does himself is, in fact, claiming to be neutral when there's absolutely no reason for him to be and, frankly, would be a damned less likely to sell papers if he didn't peddle a line!

Just because you take an angle doesn't necessarily make what you say irrelevant as a result, however. The same, for example, applies to David Conn, whose angle is hardly hidden. In fact the only difference is he positively embraces his position taking!
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Nothing wrong with being unbalanced at all. As much as sisu may threaten, its perfectly legal to write a one sided, unbalanced piece, provided no lies have been told.

Most of my dislike of Les Reid come from his claim to be unbalanced.

If he had come out and said this is my opinion, I might have disagreed with what he had put, but I would have respected him as a man a lot more.
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

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  • Dec 19, 2013
  • #112
Deleted member 5849 said:
Frankly, I see the same as virtually every local (and pretty many national) reporter, that he has a line to peddle, he peddles it.

All this nonsense about being neutral is just that, nonsense. The biggest disservice he does himself is, in fact, claiming to be neutral when there's absolutely no reason for him to be and, frankly, would be a damned less likely to sell papers if he didn't peddle a line!

Just because you take an angle doesn't necessarily make what you say irrelevant as a result, however. The same, for example, applies to David Conn, whose angle is hardly hidden. In fact the only difference is he positively embraces his position taking!
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Conn's angle is what he sees as a terminal decline under our current owners, and a stance taken from the view of the loss to fans and a club in tradition being on life support. That's a natural angle for many to take. Agree or disagree with its content in whole or part; but the narrative and it's motivation are quite understandable.

I'm not going to comment on my thoughts on Reid's view, for quite obvious reasons
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 19, 2013
  • #113
Conn's angle for years has been the exposing of sharp business practice in football.

Would hardly be surprising if Reid, as political reporter, had an angle of exposing sharp practice in politics.

One could even say you need the ying to the yang... just need to get rid of the dick waving about objectivity and grilling!
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 19, 2013
  • #114
bigfatronssba said:
Most of my dislike of Les Reid come from his claim to be unbalanced.

If he had come out and said this is my opinion, I might have disagreed with what he had put, but I would have respected him as a man a lot more.
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Indeed, although tbf the one that really started getting peoples' backs up and changed him fom hero to zero was his opinion piece, clearly headed as opinion!

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/news-opinion/could-ricoh-arena-sold-coventry-6191587
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

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  • Dec 19, 2013
  • #115
Deleted member 5849 said:
Conn's angle for years has been the exposing of sharp business practice in football.

Would hardly be surprising if Reid, as political reporter, had an angle of exposing sharp practice in politics.

One could even say you need the ying to the yang... just need to get rid of the dick waving about objectivity and grilling!
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I respect your opinion and enjoy the debate, but wouldn't care to indulge you any further on a public forum such as this. Good evening Sir
 

bigfatronssba

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  • Dec 19, 2013
  • #116
Deleted member 5849 said:
Indeed, although tbf the one that really started getting peoples' backs up and changed him fom hero to zero was his opinion piece, clearly headed as opinion!

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/news-opinion/could-ricoh-arena-sold-coventry-6191587
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His opinion got my back up in that article, not him personally.

Its his "only I and my band of merry twitter followers are balanced" attitude that got my gander up about him personally.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 19, 2013
  • #117
Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
I respect your opinion and enjoy the debate, but wouldn't care to indulge you any further on a public forum such as this. Good evening Sir
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Somewhere in here we are actually peddling the same message however, that it's wise not to assume until the truth will out
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 19, 2013
  • #118
bigfatronssba said:
Its his "only I and my band of merry twitter followers are balanced" attitude that got my gander up.
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See, now I'm all with you on the twitter. I ended up having as much a debate as it's possible to have in 144 characters. I know nobody's objective but I do try to be within reason of picking up things I think obviously unfair from either 'side'(!) couldn't help but notice that it wasn't my tweets he was re-tweeting all night!

I dunno, maybe I just feel used and spat out and jealous
 
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skybluefred

New Member
  • Dec 19, 2013
  • #119
RoboCCFC90 said:
I disagree MMM you may not of liked the way Les Reid retreived information or how it was published yet in all this mess Les Reid is the only one who consistently dug for the truth and kept the fans informed.
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You could tell a hundred people the same story and everyone of them would put their own slant on it and say it was true.
Each person's view of the truth differs,for instance there are half a dozen people on this very forum who believe
sisu are innocents in the destruction of CCFC, on the other hand the very great majority believe sisu are the guilty
party. You form your own opinion.
 

bigfatronssba

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 19, 2013
  • #120
skybluefred said:
You could tell a hundred people the same story and everyone of them would put their own slant on it and say it was true.
Each person's view of the truth differs,for instance there are half a dozen people on this very forum who believe
sisu are innocents in the destruction of CCFC, on the other hand the very great majority believe sisu are the guilty
party. You form your own opinion.
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You can say that again.
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 20, 2013
  • #121
I felt let down that he seemed happy to dig and dig into the council. Which is great and is his job.

Yet he failed to get an answer from SISU over very basic questions.

He had a great opportunity to challenge JS.

Yet he just reported what she said.

Yet when this was pointed out he would arrogantly and vehemently deny it and maintain he had caused many admissions from both SISU and The council.

I bare him no ill will.

However I will not change my opinion that his journalism was mostly a regurgitation of other people's stuff.

I saw very little investigative journalism
 
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letsallsingtogether

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 20, 2013
  • #122
And all it cost them was a pint.

dongonzalos said:
I felt let down that he seemed happy to dig and dig into the council. Which is great and is his job.

Yet he failed to get an answer from SISU over very basic questions.

He had a great opportunity to challenge JS.

Yet he just reported what she said.

Yet when this was pointed out he would arrogantly and vehemently deny it and maintain he had caused many admissions from both SISU and The council.

I bare him no ill will.

However I will not change my opinion that his journalism was mostly a regurgitation of other people's stuff.

I saw very little investigative journalism
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