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Skyblues Trust email received this afternoon (1 Viewer)

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  • Start date May 2, 2013
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Ashdown1

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  • May 2, 2013
  • #141
SkyBlue_Taylor said:
Didn't ACL reject approaches from CCFC to renegotiate rent? Would it not appear that CCFC have been pushed into this?
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By not paying the legal contract for rent for 14 months
 
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CCFCDan87

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  • May 2, 2013
  • #142
SkyBlue_Taylor said:
Didn't ACL reject approaches from CCFC to renegotiate rent? Would it not appear that CCFC have been pushed into this?
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Didn't CCFC reject a new and improved offer by ACL? I guess you missed that?
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • May 2, 2013
  • #143
Johnnythespider said:
Pros of the move ? Really !!!!
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There always pros....it's just whether they are significant or whether cons completely outweigh them.
 

bigfatronssba

Well-Known Member
  • May 2, 2013
  • #144
Once the club leaves Coventry then it stops being my football club. In fact I would be happy to see it lose.
 
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CCFCDan87

New Member
  • May 2, 2013
  • #145
stupot07 said:
There always pros....it's just whether they are significant or whether cons completely outweigh them.
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Are you for real? What pro's are they?
 

stupot07

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  • May 2, 2013
  • #146
Once a twat always a twat !
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Very grown up of you....I hope you feel proud of yourself big man.
 

stupot07

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  • May 2, 2013
  • #147
CCFCDan87 said:
Are you for real? What pro's are they?
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Cheaper rent? Possibility to take all match day income? As a business point of view all pros.

However, that would be outweighed by reduced attendance, reduced income, etc.
 

Grendel

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  • May 2, 2013
  • #148
Ashdown1 said:
.[/QUOTE
]Once a twat always a twat !
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Don't be so hard on yourself Ashdown. You always have an opportunity to improve.
 
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dadgad

Well-Known Member
  • May 2, 2013
  • #149
stupot07 said:
Cheaper rent? Possibility to take all match day income? As a business point of view all pros.

However, that would be outweighed by reduced attendance, reduced income, etc.
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So, all in all, not much of a plan.
In point of fact a completely idiotic non starter.
High time people woke up to what has actually happened to the club over Sisu's tenure and realised that these people haven't finished yet.
 

oakey

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  • May 2, 2013
  • #150
SkyBlue_Taylor said:
Didn't ACL reject approaches from CCFC to renegotiate rent? Would it not appear that CCFC have been pushed into this?
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10,000 fans paying an average of £15 per ticket = £150,000 income per match. Minimum of 23 matches. How can CCFC not afford £400,000 rent even ignoring F&B income? I know they have to pay the players but still there is no excuse to move from Coventry.
 
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The CableGuy

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  • May 2, 2013
  • #151
theferret said:
Don't think for one minute that I believe it can happen or should happen, but the Ryton site is twice the size of the Ricoh and Arena Shopping Park combined. Space wouldn't be an issue, nor would I suspect road upgrades - since the Highways Agency are planning to upgrade the area around Toll Bar anyway
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http://www.highways.gov.uk/roads/road-projects/a45a46-tollbar-end-improvement/
http://assets.highways.gov.uk/roads...hibition_leaflet_A45_tollbar_End_Junction.pdf

I wonder if this could reopen the efforts to expand Cov Airport?

But anyway.......WTF are SISU thinking?
 
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CCFCDan87

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  • May 2, 2013
  • #152
stupot07 said:
Cheaper rent? Possibility to take all match day income? As a business point of view all pros.

However, that would be outweighed by reduced attendance, reduced income, etc.
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Cheaper rent = less fans at the new out of city ground. Matchday income will be taken by whoever runs the ground. Not to mention who will provide stewards and more police needed due potential trouble with locals. It's a no brainer
 

lordsummerisle

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  • May 2, 2013
  • #153
The CableGuy said:
http://www.highways.gov.uk/roads/road-projects/a45a46-tollbar-end-improvement/
http://assets.highways.gov.uk/roads...hibition_leaflet_A45_tollbar_End_Junction.pdf

I wonder if this could reopen the efforts to expand Cov Airport?

But anyway.......WTF are SISU thinking?
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Seriously, Cov Airport is still fucked.
 

Flying Fokker

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  • May 2, 2013
  • #154
SkyBlue_Taylor said:
Didn't ACL reject approaches from CCFC to renegotiate rent? Would it not appear that CCFC have been pushed into this?
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Read the dozens of threads on that issue and you may come to a different conclusion. Or maybe not?, CCFC fell feet first in to this situation because of years of mismanagement, aggressive business practices and subsequent breakdown of negotiations. They played hard ball and lost.
 

stupot07

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  • May 2, 2013
  • #155
CCFCDan87 said:
Cheaper rent = less fans at the new out of city ground. Matchday income will be taken by whoever runs the ground. Not to mention who will provide stewards and more police needed due potential trouble with locals. It's a no brainer
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It doesn't matter, my feeling is the Trust should have at least agreed to have some dialogue over it before dismissing it all together.
 
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quinn1971

Well-Known Member
  • May 2, 2013
  • #156
stupot07 said:
It doesn't matter, my feeling is the Trust should have at least agreed to have some dialogue over it before dismissing it all together.
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Keep your enemies closer ?
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • May 2, 2013
  • #157
quinn1971 said:
Keep your enemies closer ?
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Exactly! .
 
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CCFCDan87

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  • May 2, 2013
  • #158
stupot07 said:
It doesn't matter, my feeling is the Trust should have at least agreed to have some dialogue over it before dismissing it all together.
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SISU are bullies and they've showed that in the past. Us as fans need to stand up to them. If they at the slightest chance think they can dictate the trust they will
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • May 2, 2013
  • #159
CCFCDan87 said:
Didn't CCFC reject a new and improved offer by ACL? I guess you missed that?
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Are we not allowed to reject an offer then change our minds?

If ACL genuinely care, then they would've sat down negotiated, if they couldn't come to an agreement, fair enough, but to plain reject is not a good thing.
 
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trondegilsoltvedt97

Active Member
  • May 2, 2013
  • #160
I am not neccesarily pro SISU, pro ACL, pro Council- simply pro the club

As far as I am aware, ACL have said no more negotiations on a lease (Get out of Coventry!)

Thats leave the club in a situation of having nowhere to play and nowhere in Coventry that wants us to play there. Looking elsewhere is the only option the for the club to carry onn, and talking to us the fans is good. For too long it has been said on here that things are done without talking with fans- the club is now doing so via the trust and is now being criticised.

Whether you agree with everything (or nothing!) that SISU have done, the team needs somewhere to play!
 
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wingy

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  • May 2, 2013
  • #161
stupot07 said:
Exactly! .
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what a paranoid world we exist in but this was my view ,although theres no Gaurantee the trust would learn anything from it ,could quite easily be misled and still get called Sisu Bashers.
i'd say they've acted on the basis of the Majority view though Stu.:thinking about:
 
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Tonylinc

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  • May 2, 2013
  • #162
SkyBlue_Taylor said:
Are we not allowed to reject an offer then change our minds?

If ACL genuinely care, then they would've sat down negotiated, if they couldn't come to an agreement, fair enough, but to plain reject is not a good thing.
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WHAT!!!!! Acl did negotiate with Sisu and THOUGHT that they had reached an agreement on terms but the very next day Sisu "forgot" that the meeting had taken place.
 
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CCFCDan87

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  • May 2, 2013
  • #163
SkyBlue_Taylor said:
Are we not allowed to reject an offer then change our minds?

If ACL genuinely care, then they would've sat down negotiated, if they couldn't come to an agreement, fair enough, but to plain reject is not a good thing.
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If I remember rightly it was SISU who stopped all negotiations for several months and haven't paid rent for over 12 months!
 
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trondegilsoltvedt97

Active Member
  • May 2, 2013
  • #164
But according to Les Reid yesterday, agreements were made between ACL/Council and Sisu on the mortgage to Yorkshire Bank and then went adrift too- forgotten by ACL. 2 sides to every coin
 
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Broken Hearted Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • May 2, 2013
  • #165
Just a thought playing at the Ricoh average crowd 10000 at average price of say £15 = £150000x23=£3.45million -rent 0.4million=3.05 million
Ignore the polls and say crowd drops by50% 5000 at average price of £15 = £75000x23=£1.725million even with no rent max=1.725

Now we know that the people that will travel will be a lot less than 50% so can the financial genius that thought this idea up tell me how this benefits the club,or am I missing a fundamental point here?
 
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wingy

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  • May 2, 2013
  • #166
trondegilsoltvedt97 said:
But according to Les Reid yesterday, agreements were made between ACL/Council and Sisu on the mortgage to Yorkshire Bank and then went adrift too- forgotten by ACL. 2 sides to every coin
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Put yourself in each parties shoes ,remember some of the dialogue /soundbites thoughout this spell they refer to ,ask yourself who has employed the greatest more costly Lawyers ,advisors ,PR firms ,press agencies ,who is losing this battle of wills .
 
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wingy

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  • May 2, 2013
  • #167
Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
Just a thought playing at the Ricoh average crowd 10000 at average price of say £15 = £150000x23=£3.45million -rent 0.4million=3.05 million
Ignore the polls and say crowd drops by50% 5000 at average price of £15 = £75000x23=£1.725million even with no rent max=1.725

Now we know that the people that will travel will be a lot less than 50% so can the financial genius that thought this idea up tell me how this benefits the club,or am I missing a fundamental point here?
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Think the retort would come ...............Think long term.
 
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Broken Hearted Sky Blue

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  • May 2, 2013
  • #168
wingy said:
Think the retort would come ...............Think long term.
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There is no long term I'm not sure there is even a short term are you?
 
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wingy

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  • May 2, 2013
  • #169
Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
There is no long term I'm not sure there is even a short term are you?
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No BHSB ,as they used to say in Thunderbirds" Anything could happen in the Next Half Hour".:facepalm:
 
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Broken Hearted Sky Blue

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  • May 2, 2013
  • #170
wingy said:
No BHSB ,as they used to say in Thunderbirds" Anything could happen in the Next Half Hour".:facepalm:
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Always ended well though didn't it?
 

torchomatic

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  • May 2, 2013
  • #171
Stingray.

wingy said:
No BHSB ,as they used to say in Thunderbirds" Anything could happen in the Next Half Hour".:facepalm:
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Mucca Mad Boys

Well-Known Member
  • May 2, 2013
  • #172
Flying Fokker said:
Read the dozens of threads on that issue and you may come to a different conclusion. Or maybe not?, CCFC fell feet first in to this situation because of years of mismanagement, aggressive business practices and subsequent breakdown of negotiations. They played hard ball and lost.
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Is this issue a game? There's a club at stake, and for all the times people say SISU don't care about the club, how can people say ACL care? They have shown no compassion but more importantly ACL are more concerned, it appears, with getting one over SISU than thinking of the club.

When I hear CCC/ACL representatives say how they want the best for CCFC because they support the club, reminds me of a racist saying they aren't racist just because they have black friends and family, it just doesn't work that way.
 
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wingy

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  • May 2, 2013
  • #173
Troy Tempest .............Marhina.............Phones??? the work of the late great Jerry Anderson.
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • May 2, 2013
  • #174
SkyBlue_Taylor said:
Is this issue a game? There's a club at stake, and for all the times people say SISU don't care about the club, how can people say ACL care? They have shown no compassion but more importantly ACL are more concerned, it appears, with getting one over SISU than thinking of the club.

When I hear CCC/ACL representatives say how they want the best for CCFC because they support the club, reminds me of a racist saying they aren't racist just because they have black friends and family, it just doesn't work that way.
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Hey youngman you were very happy for these guys to see how far they could push it ,its not surprising there are consequences.:thinking about:
 

oakey

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  • May 2, 2013
  • #175
torchomatic said:
Stingray.
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Definitely Stingray....Stingray...da, duhda, duhda
 
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