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  • Start date May 2, 2013
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Regis87

Active Member
  • May 2, 2013
  • #71
Deleted member 5849 said:
If they couldn't get planning permission for houses on the site of the training ground, they won't get plans for a sodding great football stadium.

Nowhere else to build either, the old Peugeot's nearly ready to re-open as warehouse space.
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Old Peugeot works was mentioned and not the training ground
 
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shy_tall_knight

Well-Known Member
  • May 2, 2013
  • #72
SISU will not be building a ground at Ryton - it will cost a minimum of £20m, a few years of planning permission and if you think the Ricoh is a bit out of town, well Ryton's worse. A good portion of the city of Coventry can walk to the Ricoh Holbronx, Keresley Foleshill, Longford, Even Willenhall is too far to walk to Ryton and includes negotiating Kami Kazi island. wolston & ryton village would dig their heals in regarding any such development.
 
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theferret

Well-Known Member
  • May 2, 2013
  • #73
Deleted member 5849 said:
If they couldn't get planning permission for houses on the site of the training ground, they won't get plans for a sodding great football stadium.

Nowhere else to build either, the old Peugeot's nearly ready to re-open as warehouse space.
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Indeed, although there isn't much residential around there, and it is a brownfield site, so if it went to public enquiry it might go through, but then that process would take years.

It isn't feasible for a number of reasons, but it's just what I've heard so we'll see.

Just can't work out how this can end well for SISU. I suspect we are now into the realms of settling scores and everything else is just a sideshow.
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • May 2, 2013
  • #74
as i understand it the "plan" is to build on a site that enables a developer to come in to do it building of shops etc and throwing in most of the cost of a new stadium, club picks up say 5m or 6m of the cost. If thats the case what is left at Ryton isnt big enough and would still require CCC involvement because of the road upgrades etc required. If that is the plan you could expect a flat packed stadium because it would be done as cheap and quickly as possible.

Right now there are not many of those builds going on in the country let alone round here
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • May 2, 2013
  • #75
Paxman II said:
The hypocrisy of it all is unbelievable.

Seriously? Move out of Coventry? How is that going to provide a sustainable business model?

One would think that the obvious end game is eventually to come back and negotiate a deal for the Ricoh. perhaps they would but perhaps ACL/Council insiders have made it clear they will no longer offer the stadium to CCFC (ie SISU)? This could be the reason. The Council/ACL would do this like SISU before them and against them did, to push forward the destruction of SISU's ownership of the football club.
All sounds a little like conspiracy chatter right? I can't think of any other reason SISU would consider a move elsewhere otherwise. So if we are in the JPT semi again where would you put 30k+ people?

Clearly the nonsense just keeps coming. May I offer my services to bang a few heads together from all sides?
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if you are selling tickets to the head banging Paxman put me down for some !
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • May 2, 2013
  • #76
Regis87 said:
Old Peugeot works was mentioned and not the training ground
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They'd have to knock down what's just gone up then.

Not gonna happen.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • May 2, 2013
  • #77
theferret said:
Just can't work out how this can end well for SISU.
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I think that's what we're all trying to work out really! There must be a plan in there to maximise their return at least, managers of investment funds don't have investors put their money in if they deliberately lose it.

Failed ventures they can accept, wilful loss of cash less so!
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • May 2, 2013
  • #78
I'm not in favour of playing any home games outside of Coventry but given the status of things between SISU and ACL there absolutely has to be a contingency plan. To not have one means that should we get to the start of the season without an agreement to play at the Ricoh we are thrown out of the league and almost certainly will then cease to exisit. What should be made clear that is that playing at the Ricoh (or elsewhere in Cov) is priority and the effect on crowds should a move, even if temporary, be made.

The rules say a move out of the city can only be temporary so what happens if SISU say to the FL it's a temporary move while we build a new stadium and then that stadium build never happens. At what point do the FL step in and what are the sanctions?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • May 2, 2013
  • #79
oldskyblue58 said:
If that is the plan you could expect a flat packed stadium because it would be done as cheap and quickly as possible.
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That's my other concern. SISU just don't do investment like this, and if they did it wouldn't be a build for the long term!
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • May 2, 2013
  • #80
chiefdave said:
The rules say a move out of the city can only be temporary so what happens if SISU say to the FL it's a temporary move while we build a new stadium and then that stadium build never happens. At what point do the FL step in and what are the sanctions?
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With Rotherham they gave them a time limit. I assume if their ground had been late they'd have been allowed an extension if it was obviously nearly done. If the first brick hadn't been laid, I'd assume they'd have been chucked out.
 
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theferret

Well-Known Member
  • May 2, 2013
  • #81
oldskyblue58 said:
as i understand it the "plan" is to build on a site that enables a developer to come in to do it building of shops etc and throwing in most of the cost of a new stadium, club picks up say 5m or 6m of the cost. If thats the case what is left at Ryton isnt big enough and would still require CCC involvement because of the road upgrades etc required. If that is the plan you could expect a flat packed stadium because it would be done as cheap and quickly as possible.

Right now there are not many of those builds going on in the country let alone round here
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Don't think for one minute that I believe it can happen or should happen, but the Ryton site is twice the size of the Ricoh and Arena Shopping Park combined. Space wouldn't be an issue, nor would I suspect road upgrades - since the Highways Agency are planning to upgrade the area around Toll Bar anyway. The old Ryton plant used to accommodate thousands of workers - and operated around the clock pretty much every day of the year. A football crowd 20 odd times a year wouldn't really be an issue.

I'm just playing devil's advocate trying to understand what their thinking is, because I am as sure as I can be that our future is at the Ricoh.
 

Flying Fokker

Well-Known Member
  • May 2, 2013
  • #82
theferret said:
Don't think for one minute that I believe it can happen or should happen, but the Ryton site is twice the size of the Ricoh and Arena Shopping Park combined. Space wouldn't be an issue, nor would I suspect road upgrades - since the Highways Agency are planning to upgrade the area around Toll Bar anyway. The old Ryton plant used to accommodate thousands of workers - and operated around the clock pretty much every day of the year. A football crowd 20 odd times a year wouldn't really be an issue.

I'm just playing devil's advocate trying to understand what their thinking is, because I am as sure as I can be that our future is at the Ricoh.
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And all those Sky Blue Talbot Solaras.
 
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shy_tall_knight

Well-Known Member
  • May 2, 2013
  • #83
I think employees at a factory v crowds at a football game are beyond compare, do you think ryton village when there is a local derby or leeds / cardiff in town would resemble 10 years ago when the factory was in full swing.
 
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theferret

Well-Known Member
  • May 2, 2013
  • #84
shy_tall_knight said:
I think employees at a factory v crowds at a football game are beyond compare, do you think ryton village when there is a local derby or leeds / cardiff in town would resemble 10 years ago when the factory was in full swing.
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I was clearly talking about road infrastructure and traffic volume. That is another issue entirely, but equally wouldn't be valid grounds on which to reject a planning application at public enquiry. 'Our pubs will be full of non-locals for 3 hours 25 times a year' won't really stand up.

Keep coming back to the same point, it won't happen. Looking at it purely from a planning perspective alone though, it is at least possible. We'll see if this application goes in - because clearly if the club plan to relocate for a time then any announcement to that effect would be accompanied by detailed plans of their new stadium proposal, and I don't think we are far away from that point.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • May 2, 2013
  • #85
theferret said:
'Our pubs will be full of non-locals for 3 hours 25 times a year' won't really stand up.
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Bugger all pubs now there's no Dilke or Bull and Butcher.
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • May 2, 2013
  • #86
Flying Fokker said:
And all those Sky Blue Talbot Solaras.
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hate to say it but i had one many many years ago............ was the cheapest car to run i have ever owned
 
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Bluegloucester

New Member
  • May 2, 2013
  • #87
oldskyblue58 said:
hate to say it but i had one many many years ago............ was the cheapest car to run i have ever owned
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Saddo!.....
 
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theferret

Well-Known Member
  • May 2, 2013
  • #88
Deleted member 5849 said:
Bugger all pubs now there's no Dilke or Bull and Butcher.
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Really? Haven't been up there for years. All the more reason to bin the idea of sticking a football stadium there.
 

Flying Fokker

Well-Known Member
  • May 2, 2013
  • #89
I had a Sky Blue Peugeot 309 D903 CWK.... A project for some kind of competition. It has a slogan 'The Ryton Lion'
 
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skyblue2k

Guest
  • May 2, 2013
  • #90
There is a massive 300,000 sq ft Network Rail distribution warehouse at Ryton now, smack bang in the centre of the plot.
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • May 2, 2013
  • #91
quinn1971 said:
Exactly.we're not going anywhere.All statements regarding the club would be made by the administrator.Doubt if fisher is even in a job after the mess he's got the club in.
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My concern is, if the administrator does favour SISU, they will just buy back their own debt
 
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oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • May 2, 2013
  • #92
Bluegloucester said:
Saddo!.....
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such were the finances of a trainee accountant with a mortgage Bg ........... needs must and all that ..............
 
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RogerH

New Member
  • May 2, 2013
  • #93
How can Fisher make any plans on the football side when the Golden Share is held by the Football League ? Making all his nowhere plans for nobody ?
 
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Bluegloucester

New Member
  • May 2, 2013
  • #94
oldskyblue58 said:
such were the finances of a trainee accountant with a mortgage Bg ........... needs must and all that ..............
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Did you have a large tin of rust remover?
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • May 2, 2013
  • #95
Brighton Sky Blue said:
As I've said before, what reason have SISU got to continue? It makes no sense whatsoever.
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Spite??
She never gets bettered,lose, she will ensure we all lose, or somehow it all benefits some weird accounting scheme
 

AFCCOVENTRY

Well-Known Member
  • May 2, 2013
  • #96
dongonzalos said:
My concern is, if the administrator does favour SISU, they will just buy back their own debt
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Not that simple. There would have to be a vote by creditors and independents. They wouldn't be allowed to make over 50% of the voting crowd anyway.
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • May 2, 2013
  • #97
Bluegloucester said:
Did you have a large tin of rust remover?
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no just dark glasses and a hoodie so no one recognised me :laugh:
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • May 2, 2013
  • #98
oldskyblue58 said:
if you are selling tickets to the head banging Paxman put me down for some !
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Put it on at the RICOH ,would sell out ,put em in Cages till someone comes out victorious
 
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Bluegloucester

New Member
  • May 2, 2013
  • #99
oldskyblue58 said:
no just dark glasses and a hoodie so no one recognised me :laugh:
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Sounda like Joy!
 

Voice_of_Reason

Well-Known Member
  • May 2, 2013
  • #100
Flying Fokker said:
@14:11

CCFC Chief Executive Tim Fisher has told the Trust that the club is working on plans to play home matches at a venue outside Coventry. He has asked the Trust to assist in this planning process. The Trust Board strongly believes that CCFC must play its home games in Coventry and calls upon all parties to get together and negotiate a deal to play at our home, the Ricoh Arena, next season.
Therefore the Trust Board’s stance is to refuse to co-operate with CCFC on any plans for moving the club’s home games from Coventry – do you support the Boards stance in this?

Yes / No
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Yes ! Yes ! Yes --- don't SISU realize nobody likes or wants them ?
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • May 2, 2013
  • #101
Deleted member 5849 said:
With Rotherham they gave them a time limit. I assume if their ground had been late they'd have been allowed an extension if it was obviously nearly done. If the first brick hadn't been laid, I'd assume they'd have been chucked out.
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Something like £25M. for a 12K. capacity Stadium.
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • May 2, 2013
  • #102
wingy said:
Something like £25M. for a 12K. capacity Stadium.
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Bargain , what happens if we go up?
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • May 2, 2013
  • #103
dongonzalos said:
Bargain , what happens if we go up?
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St's @ £1000 per season??:thinking about:
 

jaymo132

New Member
  • May 2, 2013
  • #104
Flying Fokker said:
@14:11

CCFC Chief Executive Tim Fisher has told the Trust that the club is working on plans to play home matches at a venue outside Coventry. He has asked the Trust to assist in this planning process. The Trust Board strongly believes that CCFC must play its home games in Coventry and calls upon all parties to get together and negotiate a deal to play at our home, the Ricoh Arena, next season.
Therefore the Trust Board’s stance is to refuse to co-operate with CCFC on any plans for moving the club’s home games from Coventry – do you support the Boards stance in this?


Hey Fisher......Coventry City play in Coventry....end of....do one

Yes / No
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Hey Fisher......Coventry City play in Coventry....end of....do one
 
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quinn1971

Well-Known Member
  • May 2, 2013
  • #105
.Weren't sisu happy with the reduced rent they were offered.Fisher said it was the match day revenue they were after.not going to get any match day revenue if we play somewhere else.All we will be doing is putting money into another clubs pockets.If that's the logical way sisu think i can see why we're in this mess.
 
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