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Otis · Feb 11, 2013

Anyone else see it?

Been filming covertly at football grounds across the country over the past 3 months and they encountered racism all over, but especially at Millwall.

Incidents of 56 racist comments aimed at one player during one single game there.

A lot of calling black players n***** and slaves. Have to be honest and say I have never heard anyone call a black person a slave before. Is that quite common?

Anyway, constant chants of n***** over and over and not one fan was arrested, even though Diouf (the player in one of the instances) on a number of occasions complained to the ref.

Marlon King had the same too. There were two visits to the New Den and on both occasions the SSN team were quite shocked at the degree of racism.

Millwall said they will ban for life all those involved, but the problem I think is a lot bigger than many of us imagined.

Macca · Feb 11, 2013

Not heard anything for over 20 years myself

Covstu · Feb 11, 2013

yes was watching it, Millwall was awful! I cannot believe that none of them were touched, they never stopped for most of the game and the stewards did nothing.

Otis · Feb 11, 2013

Surely the stewards would have heard someone shouting n*****, n*****, repeatedly ad nauseum.

Cannot believe for a second that they didn't. Diouf had even pointed out to the referee where it was coming from and it was then passed on to the 4th official and the club during the game. Yet not one fan was arrested or thrown out.

Cannot believe these people are using up valuable oxygen that us normal humans could make do with.

Zero tolerance is the only answer.

deanocity3 · Feb 11, 2013

who remembers man u 3 west brom 5 1978
regis and cunningham got awful abuse from the utd fans.
Mark walters at Glasgow rangers had loads of bananas thrown at him
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIbHx_NUDq4

SkyblueBazza · Feb 11, 2013

deanocity3 said:
who remembers man u 3 west brom 5 1978
regis and cunningham got awful abuse from the utd fans.
Mark walters at Glasgow rangers had loads of bananas thrown at him

Sounds like we on the whole have not moved on very much.

SkyblueBazza · Feb 11, 2013

Otis said:
Surely the stewards would have heard someone shouting n*****, n*****, repeatedly ad nauseum.

Cannot believe for a second that they didn't. Diouf had even pointed out to the referee where it was coming from and it was then passed on to the 4th official and the club during the game. Yet not one fan was arrested or thrown out.

Cannot believe these people are using up valuable oxygen that us normal humans could make do with.

Zero tolerance is the only answer.

The culprits probably live, work & socialise quite happily with the very types they abuse at footy games. There is this general culture that when inside a footy-ground, anything goes..."as long as it's not directed at me"

It's up to ALL OF US to stamp all the mindless moronic verbal & increasingly physical abuse (I'm referring to recent assaults by fans on the field of play). We need the backing of the police, stewards, authorities & to stick up for each other in the same way the thugs do though. Like I reported a Man U thug at Old Trafford once..."Okay we'll keep an eye on him" said the one copper that responded out of the three there. Needless to say we were in the street & said thug just waltzed off unhindered no doubt looking for his next visiting victim!

kg82 · Feb 11, 2013

I didn't quite get how it was obvious Diouf was saying about it to the ref and stewards and then the statement that came out from Millwall said the player hadn't heard or said anything during the game.

ohitsaidwalker king power · Feb 11, 2013

Racism is born of ignorance...
as Tony Blair once famously said...Education, Education, Education is the only answer.

Real · Feb 11, 2013

Otis said:
Anyway, constant chants of n***** over and over and not one fan was arrested, even though Diouf (the player in one of the instances) on a number of occasions complained to the ref.

Not the same Diouf who racially abused a ball boy at Everton a few years ago?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...f-racially-abused-ball-boy.html#axzz2KdItP3RG

The Big Match Revisited was on ITV4 yesterday, as Viv Anderson went on a forward run the crowd were booing him, the late great Kenneth Wolsteholme remarked "I don't know what they're booing Viv Anderson for", and I thought, you do Ken, ha ha.

Paxman II · Feb 12, 2013

The problem is determining the 'harmless banter' from serious hate crimes. The question is though, do any of these people leave the football ground away from the mindless 'group' physcology and then simply forget or do they continue the abuse in private too?

So much at football grounds is funny. I can't quite believe what I hear at times but it's just banter and hopefully left inside.

I hate racism with a vengence but I also don't condem those that choose freedom of expression. I'd rather hear what some ass hole has to say than have him tongue tied by laws. At least I'd get to know him for who he was and form a better opinion of him, good or bad. Putting up barriers to peoples freedom to express is a dangerous precedent.
I'm more concerned sometimes when fans slightly worse for drink shout and abuse anyone in range and use foul language around my kids.

For all these issues we need to rediscover RESPECT, something seriously lacking in this country these days.

Otis · Feb 12, 2013

Real said:
Not the same Diouf who racially abused a ball boy at Everton a few years ago?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...f-racially-abused-ball-boy.html#axzz2KdItP3RG

The Big Match Revisited was on ITV4 yesterday, as Viv Anderson went on a forward run the crowd were booing him, the late great Kenneth Wolsteholme remarked "I don't know what they're booing Viv Anderson for", and I thought, you do Ken, ha ha.

What difference does that make? Racism is racism.

Otis · Feb 12, 2013

kg82 said:
I didn't quite get how it was obvious Diouf was saying about it to the ref and stewards and then the statement that came out from Millwall said the player hadn't heard or said anything during the game.

Then I can only assume you did not see the footage.

On the footage you can quite clearly see Diouf pointing at the crowd, reacting to the crowd and then quite clearly report it to the ref, continuing to point directly at the crowd as he did it.

Would say that was pretty obvious to be honest.

Also, as said on SSN, it's got to the stage where black players are just getting used to it and taking it as the norm. Probably after the game Diouf thought 'what's the point!'

Real · Feb 12, 2013

Otis said:
What difference does that make? Racism is racism.

I have no sympathy towards a person who complains about the very thing he's guilty of himself.

olderskyblue · Feb 12, 2013

Otis said:
Then I can only assume you did not see the footage.

On the footage you can quite clearly see Diouf pointing at the crowd, reacting to the crowd and then quite clearly report it to the ref, continuing to point directly at the crowd as he did it.

Would say that was pretty obvious to be honest.

Also, as said on SSN, it's got to the stage where black players are just getting used to it and taking it as the norm. Probably after the game Diouf thought 'what's the point!'

I think you may have missed his point Otis?

olderskyblue · Feb 12, 2013

The Millwall spokesman said how many things they are doing to combat racism, but it seems like smoke and mirrors to make them appear blameless. They've known about this for years, and ignored it, pretended it didn't happen there, when the rest of the football community know they have some vile fans for all sorts of reasons, and now it's been proven.

Otis · Feb 12, 2013

olderskyblue said:
I think you may have missed his point Otis?

Wasn't sure if he was being sarcastic and making out that Millwall 'missed' it even though it was obvious, or that he was actually saying it wasn't obvious.

Sarcastic then I take it?

Otis · Feb 12, 2013

Real said:
I have no sympathy towards a person who complains about the very thing he's guilty of himself.

Although you didn't mean it, it sort of came across that because it was Diouf it doesn't matter. If it had just been Diouf then maybe it could be excused to a degree, but the fact is that it was all black players being racially abused.

As I say racism is racism. If Diouf has been racist that is wrong. If someone is being racist towards Diouf that is also wrong.

Real · Feb 12, 2013

I sympathise with anybody who is being discriminated against for whatever reason, be it race, disability or them being a Coventry supporter, however, my sympathy is limited at best toward Diouf because he is moaning about something he is guilty of himself. It doesn't mean I want him to be abused in any way, because I don't, but its a bit like the pot calling the kettle black (if I'm allowed to say that?) lol.

Otis · Feb 12, 2013

Better to say 'black' than 'coloured.'

Donnie Brasco · Feb 12, 2013

I think a lot of clubs are letting this go on. Most clubs need income and can't afford to turn away fans because they are saying naughty words, however wrong/racist/offensive they may be.

Sick Boy · Feb 12, 2013

I wonder if their fans believe they have a number of 'lazy' players as well?

Otis · Feb 12, 2013

I know Paxman has mentioned 'banter' but repeatedly shouting over and over and over again 'n****, n****, n****' is not banter.

Nor is threatening to 'kill you, you black c***.'

Fact is in everyday life people wouldn't get away with shouting such things in a crowded public place in broad daylight on a Saturday afternoon and they must be allowed to get away with it inside a football ground either.

These people are a captive audience at a football game and could and should quite easily be identified by CCTV and stewards.

kg82 · Feb 12, 2013

Otis said:
Then I can only assume you did not see the footage.

On the footage you can quite clearly see Diouf pointing at the crowd, reacting to the crowd and then quite clearly report it to the ref, continuing to point directly at the crowd as he did it.

Would say that was pretty obvious to be honest.

Also, as said on SSN, it's got to the stage where black players are just getting used to it and taking it as the norm. Probably after the game Diouf thought 'what's the point!'

You misunderstood what I said. I meant it was obvious diouf was complaining about it, and therefore heard it. So how could millwall come out with a statement completely to the contrary? That's what I couldn't understand.

Otis · Feb 12, 2013

Sure. Get that now.

Just doesn't ring true does it.

Millwall continually bang on about how they are at the forefront of anti racism campaigns, yet they turn a blind eye to very clear and very vocal racist chanting.

The stewards must have heard it.

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