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Sky Blues owners to bid for Higgs' shares in ACL (2 Viewers)

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  • Start date Oct 27, 2014
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Broken Hearted Sky Blue

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  • Oct 27, 2014
  • #141
Rusty Trombone said:
Thats interesting, which businesses?
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Scrap yard area so I've been informed at least one of them.
 

Samo

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  • Oct 27, 2014
  • #142
Noggin said:
I think this has now been posted about 50 times so I'm obviously talking to a wall but one last attempt.

The vast vast majority of people who had a moral problem with the move to sixfields was not because they were terribly angry about franchise sport, it was because they were terribly angry about our football club being moved 35 miles away despite it being extreamly clearly against the clubs best interests in order to distress a company owned by coventry council and a coventry charity so that the hedge fund owners could obtain the stadium on the cheap.

It was not and is not hypocrisy to be furiously against the move to sixfields and yet not be outraged about the wasps situation.
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So Sixfields was not a moral problem then, more of a personal one. After all, you seem to have no empathy with the Wasps fans, no moral problem with them being torn from their community. So, do you have a moral problem with clubs being moved or don't you? If its only our club you care about its hardly a moral stance is it? Morals, as I understand them, being consistent.
 
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Broken Hearted Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 27, 2014
  • #143
Deleted member 5849 said:
Would be logical I suppose. The second 'test' set out by Cllr Taylor way back when was any owner would have to promise to use the Ricoh Arena to regenerate the north of Coventry.
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Guess we will have to wait to see if any planning permisssion aps are put in.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 27, 2014
  • #144
The tests in full, btw.

Cllr Taylor set out four tests which potential buyers would have to pass before the arena was sold.

First, investors wanting to buy the Sky Blues and the arena would have to show their deal was agreed by both the football club and its bank, the Co-operative Bank.

Secondly, they'd have to promise to use the Ricoh Arena to regenerate the north of Coventry.

Thirdly, the new investor would have to bring extra management expertise and strength to running both the club and the venue.

Lastly, they'd have to show they'd enough money to do a deal which didn't short-change the joint owners of the Ricoh Arena.
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The second was always one that I personally was never keen on. Still not sure why we tried to handicap our club by insisting it does work that is not the responsibility of a football club.

Wonder if Wasps satisfied the third test
 
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Broken Hearted Sky Blue

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  • Oct 27, 2014
  • #145
Deleted member 5849 said:
The tests in full, btw.



The second was always one that I personally was never keen on. Still not sure why we tried to handicap our club by insisting it does work that is not the responsibility of a football club.

Wonder if Wasps satisfied the third test
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Perhaps they thought two out of three aint bad
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 27, 2014
  • #146
Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
Perhaps they thought two out of three aint bad
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You took the words right out of my mouth.

(of course, there are four tests there, but it's a dead ringer )
 
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Broken Hearted Sky Blue

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  • Oct 27, 2014
  • #147
Deleted member 5849 said:
You took the words right out of my mouth.
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You do realize if Sisu got it they'd be out of here like a bat out of hell.
 
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Noggin

New Member
  • Oct 27, 2014
  • #148
stupot07 said:
When have wasps bought from Alan Higgs charity before?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - so please excuse any spelling or grammar errors
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you're arguing semantics, choosing based on what's happened regarding the other owners of the company you are selling is just as valid.

I'm not arguing that higgs should take wasps offer if everything is equal, I'm just stating why it would be the attractive thing to do and you and fernando know full well that is the case and you surely don't bbelieve otherwise.

fernandopartridge said:
You accept both and continue to negotiate in good faith like grown up business people.
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I don't know how this works, if they are able to play bidders off against one another to get a better offer that would be the smart choice.

if they just take one or the other and the offers are equal you take the one from the company who has dealt honorably with the partners in your business] and not the one who has proven not to be trustworthy. That is the grown up businesspersons choice. There is nothing Childish about that, if someone isn't trustworthy, if they have manipulated the law to break contracts with you, if they have broke deals with you, sued you (weather or not you won or not is irrelevant you chose the other option, thats just common sense.
 
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oldfiver

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  • Oct 27, 2014
  • #149
As I have indicated before
 

skybluetony176

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  • Oct 27, 2014
  • #150
Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
You do realize if Sisu got it they'd be out of here like a bat out of hell.
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They'd do anything for the Ricoh but they won't do that.
 
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oldfiver

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  • Oct 27, 2014
  • #151
Rusty Trombone said:
The Higgs investment was to bail CCFC out when it needed some money.
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ermm nope

http://www.higgscharity.org.uk/the-ricoh-arena/
 
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oldfiver

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  • Oct 27, 2014
  • #152
skybluetony176 said:
They'd do anything for the Ricoh but they won't do that.
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Is meatloaf included in the Compass F&B agreement?

I'll get me coat :guitar2:
 
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Broken Hearted Sky Blue

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  • Oct 27, 2014
  • #153
skybluetony176 said:
They'd do anything for the Ricoh but they won't do that.
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You mean pay money
 

skybluetony176

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  • Oct 27, 2014
  • #154
Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
You mean pay money
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I don't know. Lawyers don't work for free
 

Rusty Trombone

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  • Oct 27, 2014
  • #155
oldfiver said:
ermm nope

http://www.higgscharity.org.uk/the-ricoh-arena/
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Who got the money, CCFC or ??
 
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Broken Hearted Sky Blue

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  • Oct 27, 2014
  • #156
skybluetony176 said:
I don't know. Lawyers don't work for free
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I do hope for Rhodris sake they are not on no win no fee:facepalm:
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 27, 2014
  • #157
Rusty Trombone said:
Who got the money, CCFC or ??
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I don't know how to ask this question neutrally but... am kind of hoping someone answers quickly(!)

Wasn't some of the money used to pay a debt due to Derek Higgs?

(Now I may be wrong on this, so I don't want to ask the question on here where it's lept on whatever the 'actual' answer but hell... I'd like to know the answer and be illuminated!)
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Oct 27, 2014
  • #158
according to the ccfc accounts NW the money was paid to CCFC group who in part used it to repay certain directors loans that were due for payment, those directors then relent the money back to CCFC
 
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Godiva

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  • Oct 27, 2014
  • #159
Godiva said:
I seem to remember that the joint venture agreement was changed as part of the council buying out the mortgage.
It would not be unreasonable to ask for details of the changes.

As you say: The club have only one shot at getting the bid right.
And even if they do log 'the right bid', there's nothing to suggest that Higgs are bound to accept it.
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wingy said:
Got a reference for that God.
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No, but I am pretty sure it came out at the JR.
They needed to change the JV as the original agreement didn't allow for one party to be financially involved more than the other. Or something down that line.

Maybe Duffer know?
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 27, 2014
  • #160
One question ?

Will probably need an Accountant to Answer ,should Otium succeed with a bid ,how would the debt structure within the Club load Into the new ACL ?


Is that a showstopper ?
 
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jas365

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  • Oct 27, 2014
  • #161
SkyBlueCharlie said:
I just don't understand why they (Sisu) are going through all of this hassle.

(I) They've moved on and are building a new stadium, details of which will be announced as soon as they are available so why would they want half a share in a stadium they they don't want?

(2) If they only own 50% of ACL they they won't have ALL of the revenues etc for 365 days of the year which I thought that was a pre-requisite for the new stadium.
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my thoughts exactly, maybe Mr Fisher can tell us why they want to spend money on this rather than press ahead with building their new lego set.
 
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oldfiver

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  • Oct 27, 2014
  • #162
Rusty Trombone said:
Who got the money, CCFC or ??
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http://www.skybluetrust.co.uk/index...57-ricoh-arena-timeline?showall=1&limitstart=
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 27, 2014
  • #163
oldskyblue58 said:
according to the ccfc accounts NW the money was paid to CCFC group who in part used it to repay certain directors loans that were due for payment, those directors then relent the money back to CCFC
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Ta for the swift answer

As with everything, there are many ways of viewing the same information. As life is short, and I'd like to have one... I shall resist ploughing a particular furrow just now
 
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oldfiver

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  • Oct 27, 2014
  • #164
wingy said:
One question ?

Will probably need an Accountant to Answer ,should Otium succeed with a bid ,how would the debt structure within the Club load Into the new ACL ?

I think a better question would be how would the ACL debt structure affect CCFC?


Is that a showstopper ?
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 27, 2014
  • #165
Oldfiver.

Would the Projected naming rights available to a Premier rugby club Virtually secure ACL??
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Oct 27, 2014
  • #166
wingy said:
Oldfiver.

Would the Projected naming rights available to a Premier rugby club Virtually secure ACL??
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Was it ever confirmed (proper, proper like) that the Cov Observer's claim the Ricoh deal had been extended until 2025 was incorrect?
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 27, 2014
  • #167
Deleted member 5849 said:
Was it ever confirmed (proper, proper like) that the Cov Observer's claim the Ricoh deal had been extended until 2025 was incorrect?
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It was around 18months ago when that article suggested a renewal .

I think It's only been speculated that IT's off.
 
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RoboCCFC90

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  • Oct 27, 2014
  • #168
The Gentleman said:
Dunno, ask Robo
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Why don't you ask someone who gives two fucks..

http://uk.ask.com


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oldfiver

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  • Oct 27, 2014
  • #169
I thought they were due in <2yrs time

I would like to see if the naming rights remained in ACL and to what purpose the income could be used ( and by whom)

WASPS have two problems as I see it - They are losing £3m a year currently and they have to service the CCC loan

If they only own 50% of the stadium will they have to pay some form of rent?. I presume so to enable the financing and other costs to be met by ACL

I suspect a Holding Company will own ACL shares and the playing company will pay rent.

We are speculating though
 

Rusty Trombone

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 27, 2014
  • #170
oldfiver said:
http://www.skybluetrust.co.uk/index...57-ricoh-arena-timeline?showall=1&limitstart=
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Yep, CCFC.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 27, 2014
  • #171
SimonGilbert said:
It has been completed and is not reliant on anything else - confirmed by the council.
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It is all very well saying that but your article leaves some fundamental questions unanswered

Does the power of veto exist with the other owner?
Given that Higgs have already expressed a desire to sell to wasps why would they pursue this process if it would risk the sake to the preferred bidder?
What is the actual value of the shares that the council sold?
Why did your original article clearly state that the deal was for the whole of ACL and all wasps PR communication supported this until this peculiar change of course?
Has the 50% of the share already purchased taken on the full discharge of the loan? This clearly is a major issue for both parties.
Why (assuming the claim is correct) will no details of the bid be released to the potential purchaser so that the counter bid can be sensibly evaluated?

Why don't you ask these questions to the council and the charity? After all its them who are all for openness and transparamcy isn't it?
 
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robbiethemole

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  • Oct 27, 2014
  • #172
and still Fisher is spouting his "we will build a new stadium" shit, the bloke is a deluded fooker:jerkit:
 
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theferret

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  • Oct 27, 2014
  • #173
I get the distinct impression that if CCFC were to somehow secure a 50% stake in ACL some people would be horrified.

I don't care how they do it, but if they succeed (highly unlikely though it is), it will be the best news we've had in a long time.
 

Samo

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 27, 2014
  • #174
robbiethemole said:
and still Fisher is spouting his "we will build a new stadium" shit, the bloke is a deluded fooker:jerkit:
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Whether or not they intend to build a new stadium (which they don't) they would be mad not to pick up half the Ricoh on the super cheap if they get the chance, purely as a business decision. If I had an option to buy half of that stadium I'd be calling in loans, ebaying the house contents and scratching around down the back of the couch!
 

Rusty Trombone

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 27, 2014
  • #175
Deleted member 5849 said:
Was it ever confirmed (proper, proper like) that the Cov Observer's claim the Ricoh deal had been extended until 2025 was incorrect?
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I think this article from May this year confirms that renewal hasn't been agreed, still quite vague though.

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/ricoh-arena-sponsors-hope-see-7108507
 
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