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Mary_Mungo_Midge · Mar 13, 2014

To use your sycophant's own term from earlier in this thread, LS, that's 'floundering with no substance'

You asked: do you still believe that the turnover for 2013/14 year will be the same, if not more than the most recent published set of accounts?

I replied: 'I have never stated that turnover will continue at it's current level, or at it's current trajectory. Have I?'

Do I take it you don't want or can't to answer my question?

Moff · Mar 13, 2014

Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
Why don't you wait until he can rise to the challenge before dancing round like Rumplestiltskin.

Whilst not wishing to enter a messy debate, I must commend you for the use of the Fairytale character, Rumpelstiltskin. Where you plucked it from or why it entered your mind I wont ask, I just enjoyed a reference to a fictional character that could spin thread into gold. Now there's an idea for Tim.........

(perhaps we should try to enter fairytale characters into more posts, for no greater reason than it would amuse me considerably)

Grendel · Mar 13, 2014

Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
To use your sycophant's own term from earlier in this thread, LS, that's 'floundering with no substance'

You asked: do you still believe that the turnover for 2013/14 year will be the same, if not more than the most recent published set of accounts?

I replied: 'I have never stated that turnover will continue at it's current level, or at it's current trajectory. Have I?'

Do I take it you don't want or can't to answer my question?

The reference is to the period of the Olympics which stated that the period of the Olympics would have hampered turnover. This is balderdash or do you think it is? If it is that suggests turnover is hugely skewed to those months in a normal trading year. Is it really?

lordsummerisle · Mar 13, 2014

Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
It's worth more. All the grown ups in the room can see this. Given you predicted decimated accounts this time around, you're on as shaky ground here as Ms Sinclaire was yesterday with her fraud accusations

Surely the value of ACL would go down every year?

The Reverend Skyblue · Mar 13, 2014

God this site is becoming so monotonous, every thread identical to the rest.
to answer the Op , no way will I ever go to sixfields ,now or in the future

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Mar 13, 2014

Grendel said:
The reference is to the period of the Olympics which stated that the period of the Olympics would have hampered turnover. This is balderdash or do you think it is? If it is that suggests turnover is hugely skewed to those months in a normal trading year. Is it really?

I'll answer this one as it covers off LS's outstanding question too. The answer is: 'I don't know'.

However, ACL made the claim when releasing the accounts. With regards their projections for the set of accounts just published, they were candid and have turned out to be quite accurate. So, I'm saying why now disbelieve them on this claim?

What is the basis for disbelieving them? The answer to that question is not to then ask me to justify their business plan, as I can't.

It's to answer the original question with an answer

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Mar 13, 2014

lordsummerisle said:
Surely the value of ACL would go down every year?

Can I ask why you'd think so?

Mary_Mungo_Midge · Mar 13, 2014

Moff said:
Whilst not wishing to enter a messy debate, I must commend you for the use of the Fairytale character, Rumpelstiltskin. Where you plucked it from or why it entered your mind I wont ask, I just enjoyed a reference to a fictional character that could spin thread into gold. Now there's an idea for Tim.........

(perhaps we should try to enter fairytale characters into more posts, for no greater reason than it would amuse me considerably)

In retrospect, I don't know. Troubled mind, I guess. Comparing Grendel to Rumplestiltskin does appear a false call; especially given the thread-into-gold malarkey clearly showed that the fabled imp had at least one redeeming skill

lordsummerisle · Mar 13, 2014

Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
Can I ask why you'd think so?

Merely based on the length of the lease shortening each year?

Would lose value correspondingly I'd have thought?

wingy · Mar 13, 2014

Moff said:
Whilst not wishing to enter a messy debate, I must commend you for the use of the Fairytale character, Rumpelstiltskin. Where you plucked it from or why it entered your mind I wont ask, I just enjoyed a reference to a fictional character that could spin thread into gold. Now there's an idea for Tim.........

(perhaps we should try to enter fairytale characters into more posts, for no greater reason than it would amuse me considerably)

It's further enhanced by your referrencing of Fisher and Spinning ...Yarn,just like Ratner the Gold will turn to sand ,and thats all Fisher will ever make ,"bags of sand ,not sterling".

Jack Griffin · Mar 13, 2014

Malaka said:
I will go . I don't think that SiSU are going. The more they put in out of their pockets, the more debt is loaded against the club and no one will ever buy us while we are down in the depths. We need some relative success so they can sell and move on. I fear that starving the club of cash might just bite us in the arse. And by he way I am in no way advocating that we should all rock up to sixfields, each to their own and I respect your choice. My boycott lasted two weeks

I don't think that is true, once the debt load is impossible then it will be written off, why on earth would you want the club to be hamstrung by the debt SISU have loaded on during their tenure, they started with £12M debt plus a £6M liability if on only if they got to the Prem in 2 years, that has now been turned into concrete £44M debt, they will never be repaid whatever happens.

spider_ricoh · Mar 13, 2014

Club should not be playing in Northampton - I will never set foot in that ground for a "home" game.

Grendel · Mar 13, 2014

spider_ricoh said:
Club should not be playing in Northampton - I will never set foot in that ground for a "home" game.

Good for you.

Jack Griffin · Mar 13, 2014

Grendel said:
More floundering with no substance. Whenever summerisle presents facts you present waffle, opinion and empty rhetoric.

Worth more? Proof and evidence please.

Moving on from the tenant? These accounts show when they were the tenant.

Since then what's happened?

Bid for rugby World Cup - failed
Bid for uk snooker championship - failed
Concerts - are there any?
How will revenue increase over the same period when the Olympics is not there - again MMM squirms, slithers and fails to answer.

Not going well is it? Perhaps you need another briefing from PWKH before you return?

Why do you care? Isn't the club building a new stadium in the "Coventry Area"..

Grendel · Mar 13, 2014

Jack Griffin said:
Why do you care? Isn't the club building a new stadium in the "Coventry Area"..

ACL and the Ricoh without CCFC? I really don't care.

lordsummerisle · Mar 13, 2014

Jack Griffin said:
I don't think that is true, once the debt load is impossible then it will be written off, why on earth would you want the club to be hamstrung by the debt SISU have loaded on during their tenure, they started with £12M debt plus a £6M liability if on only if they got to the Prem in 2 years, that has now been turned into concrete £44M debt, they will never be repaid whatever happens.

So you're saying that a boycott is pointless from a financial point of view?

skybluetony176 · Mar 13, 2014

Grendel said:
ACL and the Ricoh without CCFC? I really don't care.

So if we return to the ricoh under a rent agreement does that mean you're reverting back to NOPM. You're going to get a reputation for jumping sides more than Ms Sinclair.

chiefdave · Mar 14, 2014

Grendel said:
Bid for uk snooker championship - failed

Did they actively bid for the UK Snooker Championship? I was under the impression the players and organisers of the Champion of Champions tournament were so impressed with the event at the Ricoh they mentioned the possibility of moving the UK Championships there but I don't recall any bidding process or the Ricoh losing out. As far as I know Champion of Champions will be at the Ricoh again this year.

Grendel · Mar 14, 2014

skybluetony176 said:
So if we return to the ricoh under a rent agreement does that mean you're reverting back to NOPM. You're going to get a reputation for jumping sides more than Ms Sinclair.

I am on the side of the football club. Anyone going to a ladies football match is only going as its the Ricoh. They would not go if it was at the normal venue.

chiefdave · Mar 14, 2014

Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
However, ACL made the claim when releasing the accounts. With regards their projections for the set of accounts just published, they were candid and have turned out to be quite accurate. So, I'm saying why now disbelieve them on this claim?

There were people who led us to believe that by now ACL would be in severe financial trouble if not out of business after SISU moved the team out. That hasn't happened. It was stated by some ACL's account would be terrible, that didn't happen. Seems some are now looking for other ways to convince that ACL are failing. Could they fail in the future? Of course but there is little evidence to say that is on the cards.

As you say MMM what ACL have claimed so far has turned out to be correct and there is no evidence to suggest that what they are claiming for the future won't also be correct. Seems a case of clutching at straws to me.

chiefdave · Mar 14, 2014

Grendel said:
I am on the side of the football club. Anyone going to a ladies football match is only going as its the Ricoh. They would not go if it was at the normal venue.

How can that be true, people turn up to watch them elsewhere. I've seen them play down here and I wasn't the only Cov fan there so I'm pretty sure there are some supporters who go to watch them at their usual home venue.

Grendel · Mar 14, 2014

chiefdave said:
There were people who led us to believe that by now ACL would be in severe financial trouble if not out of business after SISU moved the team out. That hasn't happened. It was stated by some ACL's account would be terrible, that didn't happen. Seems some are now looking for other ways to convince that ACL are failing. Could they fail in the future? Of course but there is little evidence to say that is on the cards.

As you say MMM what ACL have claimed so far has turned out to be correct and there is no evidence to suggest that what they are claiming for the future won't also be correct. Seems a case of clutching at straws to me.

Ann Lucas said they would have been in a right mess without the restructuring of a loan over 40 years. Why is that?

Brighton Sky Blue · Mar 14, 2014

chiefdave said:
There were people who led us to believe that by now ACL would be in severe financial trouble if not out of business after SISU moved the team out. That hasn't happened. It was stated by some ACL's account would be terrible, that didn't happen. Seems some are now looking for other ways to convince that ACL are failing. Could they fail in the future? Of course but there is little evidence to say that is on the cards.

As you say MMM what ACL have claimed so far has turned out to be correct and there is no evidence to suggest that what they are claiming for the future won't also be correct. Seems a case of clutching at straws to me.

This was reflected in the offers made to the club in the ever decreasing rental offers and access to ACL's slice of revenues. It wouldn't take much at all for the club to renegotiate a cheap, long term lease and buy out ACL's share in IEC, the company where all Ricoh revenues go and in which ACL has a roughly 80% stake.

Why haven't we done this? Personal agendas by our esteemed leader against the council would appear to be top of the list. I'm still intrigued to know what people plan to do with an empty 32,500 seater stadium though, considering it costs money to maintain and the club was contributing a not inconsiderable sum to the business.

letsallsingtogether · Mar 14, 2014

Not me may even give my season ticket up not back next season then I will give it a miss full stop. Not even he Arsenal games of the season.

Then again might go to MK Dons away.

Chez78 said:
Is there any people on here who don't go that will give it a go next season?

lordsummerisle · Mar 14, 2014

chiefdave said:
There were people who led us to believe that by now ACL would be in severe financial trouble if not out of business after SISU moved the team out. That hasn't happened. It was stated by some ACL's account would be terrible, that didn't happen. Seems some are now looking for other ways to convince that ACL are failing. Could they fail in the future? Of course but there is little evidence to say that is on the cards.

As you say MMM what ACL have claimed so far has turned out to be correct and there is no evidence to suggest that what they are claiming for the future won't also be correct. Seems a case of clutching at straws to me.

Seeing as there have not yet been any accounts for the time since we have moved out and the most recent accounts even with a near doubling of turnover because of the Olympics led to reduced profits then it still remains to be seen how well they are doing without the club.

I find it strange though, that generally the ones who scream loudest about Sisu "distressing ACL to get the Ricoh on the cheap" also at the same time seem to think ACL are doing marvellously without the club.

Brighton Sky Blue · Mar 14, 2014

lordsummerisle said:
Seeing as there have not yet been any accounts for the time since we have moved out and the most recent accounts even with a near doubling of turnover because of the Olympics led to reduced profits then it still remains to be seen how well they are doing without the club.

I find it strange though, that generally the ones who scream loudest about Sisu "distressing ACL to get the Ricoh on the cheap" also at the same time seem to think ACL are doing marvellously without the club.

That is quite clearly what they're doing.

dongonzalos · Mar 14, 2014

lordsummerisle said:
Seeing as there have not yet been any accounts for the time since we have moved out and the most recent accounts even with a near doubling of turnover because of the Olympics led to reduced profits then it still remains to be seen how well they are doing without the club.

I find it strange though, that generally the ones who scream loudest about Sisu "distressing ACL to get the Ricoh on the cheap" also at the same time seem to think ACL are doing marvellously without the club.

Also the same who liked AT!

Conspiracy a go go!!!

Astute · Mar 14, 2014

lordsummerisle said:
I find it strange though, that generally the ones who scream loudest about Sisu "distressing ACL to get the Ricoh on the cheap" also at the same time seem to think ACL are doing marvellously without the club.

Doing marvelously? We all know that Labo was trying to say without evidence that the Ricoh was making a loss until questioned on what he knew. He had to admit he knew nothing. What is pointed out is that ACL is doing much better than SISU hoped by removing our club from Coventry and relocating us in Northampton. This is not saying they are doing marvelously.

And are you also trying to say that SISU have not been trying to distress ACL?

lordsummerisle · Mar 14, 2014

Brighton Sky Blue said:
That is quite clearly what they're doing.

I think so, but then again I've never gone on about how brilliantly ACL are doing aand are going to continue to do without the club.

Some seem able to hold two contrasting opinions at the same time.

lordsummerisle · Mar 14, 2014

Astute said:
Doing marvelously? We all know that Labo was trying to say without evidence that the Ricoh was making a loss until questioned on what he knew. He had to admit he knew nothing. What is pointed out is that ACL is doing much better than SISU hoped by removing our club from Coventry and relocating us in Northampton. This is not saying they are doing marvelously.

And are you also trying to say that SISU have not been trying to distress ACL?

As has been pointed out, many, many times, by many, many people, including OSB, we can't say how well or not that ACL are doing yet.

lordsummerisle · Mar 14, 2014

dongonzalos said:
Also the same who liked AT!

Conspiracy a go go!!!

No conspiracy, just that people who tend to be so forcefully wrong on one issue, tend to be so on many others.

Astute · Mar 14, 2014

lordsummerisle said:
As has been pointed out, many, many times, by many, many people, including OSB, we can't say how well or not that ACL are doing yet.

I don't disagree. But what I said is that they are not doing as bad as what SISU planned for them.

Astute · Mar 14, 2014

lordsummerisle said:
No conspiracy, just that people who tend to be so forcefully wrong on one issue, tend to be so on many others.

Correct. The only thing is what one person knows as wrong another one knows it is right :thinking about:

lordsummerisle · Mar 14, 2014

Astute said:
I don't disagree. But what I said is that they are not doing as bad as what SISU planned for them.

Possibly, but who really knows as yet?

Always thought that ACL particularly badly run, never seems to get many concerts(have any been announced for this year yet?), and often don't get "return" business once people are back on the circuit,

Not had Heineken Cup for about 6 years, didn't get the RWC, no U21's for a long time, and no reason why they couldn't have pretty much all the U21's games here really, always been a big appetite for them when they have been here.

A few conferences etc, are ok, but the potential has never been realised I don't think.

Astute · Mar 14, 2014

lordsummerisle said:
Possibly, but who really knows as yet?

Always thought that ACL particularly badly run, never seems to get many concerts(have any been announced for this year yet?), and often don't get "return" business once people are back on the circuit,

Not had Heineken Cup for about 6 years, didn't get the RWC, no U21's for a long time, and no reason why they couldn't have pretty much all the U21's games here really, always been a big appetite for them when they have been here.

A few conferences etc, are ok, but the potential has never been realised I don't think.

Not yet no. But they are going the right way. OK the Olympics won't be happening all the time but at least they managed to get a part of it. They have put someone in place that can take them forward. Without getting into the politics of it all things were forced upon them to make it work. And who was in place that had the experience that was needed?

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