Sisu Puppets (1 Viewer)

SkyblueSavage

New Member

• Aug 7, 2011

• #1

I hate this term. I'm not a fan of sisu either. I work hard for the organization I work for and to do so, I must adopt their principles, even if on occasion they conflict with my own. It doesn't make me a puppet, it makes me a competent employee.

Just grinds my gears!

 

Covstu

Well-Known Member

• Aug 7, 2011

• #2

You what????????

 

guicey15

New Member

• Aug 7, 2011

• #3

Its a bit different in a football club though. You need outspoken people to go against the principles to get something new and fresh happening. Otherwise your stuck with the same old same old, which is what seems to be going on now.

 

ashbyjan

Well-Known Member

• Aug 7, 2011

• #4

Don't want to be called a puppet? Grow a spine and a pair of balls, cut the strings and stand up for what YOU believe in. It is possible to do a job and question what your bosses command - but doing their bidding even if you consider it wrong and against your principles makes you a ........whats the word........must be a term for it.......oh yes......... PUPPET.

Sorry I didn't want to do it I was just following orders.

 

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Jack Griffin

Guest

• Aug 7, 2011

• #5

Puppets you say!

 

Otis

Well-Known Member

• Aug 7, 2011

• #6

You must adopt their principles? Really?


The company I worked for were in the top 100 companies to work for in the UK 5 years ago and a charity to boot. Fully believed in their principles. Since then they have lost the plot and changed out of all proportion. they are not the same company, their principles now I simply can not agree with or indeed what they stand for. I therefore quit 3 weeks ago.

 

SkyblueSavage

New Member

• Aug 7, 2011

• #7

<p>Popular opinion then eh! I'm not saying be a yes man... But you've got to play the game! It doesn't make you a puppet. To effectively fulfil your role you've got to buy into the common objective.</p> I believe you did the right thing, Otis, as did RR and Hoff when they jumped ship. I don't believe Ken D is a puppet, I know he has his own input towards what's going on!

 

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SkyblueSavage

New Member

• Aug 7, 2011

• #8

Ashbyjan... I'm not saying that its ok to just go along with everything but there is a right way and a wrong way. Puppet is the wrong term for our board.

 

The Reverend Skyblue

Well-Known Member

• Aug 7, 2011

• #9

I have in the past worked for some terrible managers/company bosses,but wether i agreed with theirs or the companys ethics etc , the most important thing for me was putting food on the table and paying the bills.
So yes i did'nt stand by my principles, but a mans got to do what mans got do.

The Rev

 

Nick

Administrator

• Aug 7, 2011

• #10

If SISU offered me 100k a year to look after their website, I wouldn't say no

 

SkyblueSavage

New Member

• Aug 7, 2011

• #11

The Reverend Skyblue said:

I have in the past worked for some terrible managers/company bosses,but wether i agreed with theirs or the companys ethics etc , the most important thing for me was putting food on the table and paying the bills.
So yes i did'nt stand by my principles, but a mans got to do what mans got do.

The Rev

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And fair play to you, sir!! And doing that in the mean time doesn't mean you're stuck or can't aim for something better, either within that company/organisation or out of it!!

 

ashbyjan

Well-Known Member

• Aug 7, 2011

• #12

A board that consists of SISU appointees, doing SISU's bidding without apparent questioning and dissent and certainly without regard for the supporters - no puppets is probably the wrong term but the swear filter prevents me using the correct term to describe these "gentlemen".

Hoffman was on the board, didn't like what SISU were doing so resigned - cut his strings so to speak. Are you seriously trying to tell me our board are moles and working from within to change things for the benefit of the supporters and not solely for their paymasters? Dream on.

 

Nick

Administrator

• Aug 7, 2011

• #13

The thing is though, how many of them are city fans now?

If somebody was going to offer me shed loads of money to go and do a job like tanned Ken at Burnley or Hull for £600 a day then I would quite happily do whatever I was told

 

brinner

Member

• Aug 7, 2011

• #14

SkyblueSavage said:

<p>I don't believe Ken D is a puppet, I know he has his own input towards what's going on!

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yep, and it costs the club £600 a day by all accounts!

 

ashbyjan

Well-Known Member

• Aug 7, 2011

• #15

Care to furnish us with some examples of Kens subversive pro-supporter activities?

 

Nonleagueherewecome

Well-Known Member

• Aug 7, 2011

• #16

And the OP is kinda missing the point...the present board know exactly what their job is. They are SISU "yes men", hired for that very reason. Only one has any connection with the club aside from SISU, and he's a P.R. man, so say no more...

 

SkyblueSavage

New Member

• Aug 7, 2011

• #17

ashbyjan said:

Care to furnish us with some examples of Kens subversive pro-supporter activities?

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I have never stated that I felt he was "pro-supporter"... The term puppet bails him out of responsibility.

 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director

• Aug 7, 2011

• #18

A puppets guide to running a company
　

Guidance for company directors–
1) Act in the company's best interests, taking everything you think relevant into account
2) Obey the company’s constitution and decisions taken under it
3) Be honest, and remember that the company's property belongs to it and not to you or to its shareholders
4) Be diligent, careful and well informed about the company's affairs. If you have any special skills or experience, use them
5) Make sure the company keeps records of your decisions
6) Remember that you remain responsible for the work you give to others.
7) Avoid situations where your interests conflict with those of the company. When in doubt disclose potential conflicts quickly​

8) Seek external advice where necessary, particularly if the company is in financial difficulty

apply as appropriate

 

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Otis

Well-Known Member

• Aug 7, 2011

• #19

I have turned down a few jobs on principal. I do recall turning down one job that was £5,000 more than the one I took at the time, because I didn't believe in what they stood for. I do believe I am quite principled. I cannot work for a company where I was uncomfortable with what they stood for or what they did. I got a job in the NHS because I wanted to make a difference. Could have got paid a lot more but was tired of working 'for the man!'

 

SkyblueSavage

New Member

• Aug 7, 2011

• #20

Again... I'm not saying ignore your principles. If you're fortunate enough to pick out the career you want, your principles will roughly align with the organisations anyway. Hence why I work for The Salvation Army. I'm sure there are one or two of the NHS's policies and procedures that arent 100% your belief, but you still fulfill your job to the highest standard you can.

 

Otis

Well-Known Member

• Aug 7, 2011

• #21

Indeed.


I just won't be a yes man for anybody. Always have to speak my mind.