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torchomatic

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  • Dec 7, 2016
  • #176
Nick said:
I reckon they would have loaded up some debt against it and there would have been city wide outrage.
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As I said amusing that Wasps did it within weeks and we heard not a peep from anyone.
 
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skybluebeduff

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 7, 2016
  • #177
Nick said:
I reckon they would have loaded up some debt against it and there would have been city wide outrage.
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Haven't they already loaded up debt against CCFC, with interest on top? Yet no outrage there either.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 7, 2016
  • #178
skybluebeduff said:
SISU need to pay their investors, The Ricoh would of been a great asset to their investors, seems odd to think they''d sell up when they could of made more money for them in the long term.
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And it would have been attractive to new buyers. A football club with a big fan base and a stadium with a 250 year lease! Even I think they would have been queuing up. But alas, it wasn't to be. The Londoners have it now.
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 7, 2016
  • #179
The council were finding SISU impossible to deal with.
A high Court judge has looked at all this and believed SISU were just going to keep driving the price down as low as possible.
I appreciate some fans only think about Coventry City FC and if ACL went bust losing both the council and charity a shit load of money and that suits Coventry then so be it.
Personally I get what the council did.
They clearly lost trust in SISU.
They were getting blackmailed in a business sense and were getting forced into a corner.
They gave SISU one last warning to put in your best offer or they would go elsewhere.
SISU didn't put in an offer so they went elsewhere.
They now have potentially Europe's largest rugby club in Coventry.
The local charity got 2.7 million plus on ongoing deal for more money.
Wasps are involved in the planning of further business projects with the council. The Ricoh is back in action
Concerts and conferences are back in play.
The council got 2.7 million and a business partner it seems they can trust and do business with.
The football club came back to the city as oppose to been out in Northampton as a blackmail tool for 5 years.
Yes it has screwed the owners of the club and with the current arrangements temporarily the club itself.
However only as a CCFC fan could you possibly say it wasn't a shrewd and wise move by the council.
If you are one of the guys who took that decision or a neutral looking from the outside it was a very good move.
As a disgruntled Cov fan you will find every possible way to discredit it as it pissed us off massively.
I just hope in the future we get new owners who can work with Wasps in a way that it no longer screws the club.
 
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torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 7, 2016
  • #180
skybluebeduff said:
Haven't they already loaded up debt against CCFC, with interest on top? Yet no outrage there either.
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No outrage!? You don't read SBT and the CT too often then.
 

skybluebeduff

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 7, 2016
  • #181
torchomatic said:
No outrage!? You don't read SBT and the CT too often then.
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I avoid both like the plague.
 

Sky Blue Kid

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 7, 2016
  • #182
torchomatic said:
Not at all. It's just that I wouldn't "shudder" at the prospect of my team owning it's own stadium and being attractive to new buyers.
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So you believe everything SISU say then?.. Never thought the only thing they wanted was the Stadium to, Lets say, knock down and build houses, or business premises. Hang on a sec... De ja-vue....*Shudder* Had a horrible feeling then? Never stopped to think they are using our Football Club as a pawn?.. Nah! you probably haven't.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 7, 2016
  • #183
Notice nobody mentions people pre SISU, remember the people who wanted to develop and were told no?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 7, 2016
  • #184
Sky Blue Kid said:
So you believe everything SISU say then?.. Never thought the only thing they wanted was the Stadium to, Lets say, knock down and build houses, or business premises. Hang on a sec... De ja-vue....*Shudder* Had a horrible feeling then? Never stopped to think they are using our Football Club as a pawn?.. Nah! you probably haven't.
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You really think they would get the ricoh to knock it down and build houses? Surely the freehold owner would have a say?
 

Sky Blue Kid

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 7, 2016
  • #185
torchomatic said:
Not at all. It's just that I wouldn't "shudder" at the prospect of my team owning it's own stadium and being attractive to new buyers.
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Psssst Torchy... Take a look at Nicks post. The one after yours hahaha
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 7, 2016
  • #186
dongonzalos said:
Do people honestly believe SISU came back because the council convinced them they this it was the first step to buying ACL. If they came back ACL would be sold to them.
At the same time ACL was getting sold to Wasps and SISU had no idea.
Then when they arrived back low and behold they discover they had been duped !!!!
It was never going to be sold to them!!
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They came back as the ground was being sold to wasps and the deal was struck at a low level rent to allow wasps PR machine to engage the community

Sisu did not budget for gates of 7,000 at sixfields and they provisioned funding to see them through the court case

The opportunity when presented to them clearly had to be taken if only to make the court case plausible. It's idiotic to suggest the council agreed the terms and then low and behold sold a week later. It's very clear all parties agreed that for expediency it was the only way forward.

Nothing to do with NOPM as I can assure everyone that they would have stayed put if the council and acl were still isolated and going slowly bust
 

Sky Blue Kid

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 7, 2016
  • #187
Nick said:
You really think they would get the ricoh to knock it down and build houses? Surely the freehold owner would have a say?
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Wasn't there talk of them doing something like that a few years ago?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 7, 2016
  • #188
Sky Blue Kid said:
So you believe everything SISU say then?.. Never thought the only thing they wanted was the Stadium to, Lets say, knock down and build houses, or business premises. Hang on a sec... De ja-vue....*Shudder* Had a horrible feeling then? Never stopped to think they are using our Football Club as a pawn?.. Nah! you probably haven't.
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You believe they believed 7000 would go to Northampton
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 7, 2016
  • #189
dongonzalos said:
The council were finding SISU impossible to deal with.
A high Court judge has looked at all this and believed SISU were just going to keep driving the price down as low as possible.
I appreciate some fans only think about Coventry City FC and if ACL went bust losing both the council and charity a shit load of money and that suits Coventry then so be it.
Personally I get what the council did.
They clearly lost trust in SISU.
They were getting blackmailed in a business sense and were getting forced into a corner.
They gave SISU one last warning to put in your best offer or they would go elsewhere.
SISU didn't put in an offer so they went elsewhere.
They now have potentially Europe's largest rugby club in Coventry.
The local charity got 2.7 million plus on ongoing deal for more money.
Wasps are involved in the planning of further business projects with the council. The Ricoh is back in action
Concerts and conferences are back in play.
The council got 2.7 million and a business partner it seems they can trust and do business with.
The football club came back to the city as oppose to been out in Northampton as a blackmail tool for 5 years.
Yes it has screwed the owners of the club and with the current arrangements temporarily the club itself.
However only as a CCFC fan could you possibly say it wasn't a shrewd and wise move by the council.
If you are one of the guys who took that decision or a neutral looking from the outside it was a very good move.
As a disgruntled Cov fan you will find every possible way to discredit it as it pissed us off massively.
I just hope in the future we get new owners who can work with Wasps in a way that it no longer screws the club.
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I can't be bothered with all that bullshit but just answer one question - if they were that concerned about the charity why didn't they extend the lease when they were still part owners? Answer that then I'll start on the other ill informed tripe you've posted
 

skybluebeduff

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 7, 2016
  • #190
Grendel said:
You believe they believed 7000 would go to Northampton
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Did you not see the video posted on here a few days ago where Tim was laughed at by saying 7000 will come? He looked serious about it, and pissed off when the room started laughing.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 7, 2016
  • #191
Sky Blue Kid said:
Wasn't there talk of them doing something like that a few years ago?
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Yes, by posters on here. Then idiots repeat it like Chinese whispers!
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 7, 2016
  • #192
Sky Blue Kid said:
So you believe everything SISU say then?.. Never thought the only thing they wanted was the Stadium to, Lets say, knock down and build houses, or business premises. Hang on a sec... De ja-vue....*Shudder* Had a horrible feeling then? Never stopped to think they are using our Football Club as a pawn?.. Nah! you probably haven't.
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Haha, what a fucking joke. Knock it down and build houses? Who owns the freehold again?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 7, 2016
  • #193
skybluebeduff said:
Did you not see the video posted on here a few days ago where Tim was laughed at by saying 7000 will come? He looked serious about it, and pissed off when the room started laughing.
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He also looked serious when he mentioned building a statue of Joy alongside Jimmy
 

Moff

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 7, 2016
  • #194
skybluebeduff said:
Yeah I mentioned that, how is that classed as bragging? Teaching my children the value of principles.
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I have as well, and at 15 and 11, they made their own mind up that they wanted CCFC kit and to still go to games. They still hate SISU as well.

Does that mean mine and my kids principles are any less than yours?
 
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Sky Blue Kid

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 7, 2016
  • #195
Grendel said:
You believe they believed 7000 would go to Northampton
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Errrrr YES!
 

Sky Blue Kid

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 7, 2016
  • #196
Can someone put up that video of Fisher again please.
 

skybluebeduff

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 7, 2016
  • #197
Moff said:
I have as well, and at 15 and 11, they made their own mind up that they wanted CCFC kit and to still go to games. They still hate SISU as well.

Does that mean mine and my kids principles are any less than yours?
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Mine are 5 and 7, they've only ever known SISU, so yours are a bit lucky...

Already said this to Torch, isn't that your option and your own problem what you teach your kids about the owners of this club we love? Why bring in the principles about what I teach my own children compared to yours? Why would I care for that matter?

Also my children haven't demanded to go games or get a shirt, they still have last seasons to wear, they still see the club away from home, but only twice thus far this season compared to last.
 

Moff

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 7, 2016
  • #198
Sky Blue Kid said:
To name but 3.... It would give me cramp if I typed all the posters on here that give CCC grief.... a few more... Moff, cc4l, covmark, SBWM. Need I go on?.... Come on lads, come out of the woodwork for Torchy and show yourselves
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Sorry Mr Forum Policeman why the fuck cant I slag off CCC? I slag off SISU a lot more if that's ok with you.

And as for get out of the woodwork you fucking moron, I have just logged on to see the most imbecilic fucking twat spouting utter shit, so that is why I responded.
 
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torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 7, 2016
  • #199
skybluebeduff said:
Mine are 5 and 7, they've only ever known SISU, so yours are a bit lucky...
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My lad is ten and like his Dad lacks principles. Ah well.
 

Moff

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 7, 2016
  • #200
skybluebeduff said:
Mine are 5 and 7, they've only ever known SISU, so yours are a bit lucky...
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Fair enough, my son was born whilst we were still in the Premier League. That's seems a long time ago!
 

Sky Blue Kid

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 7, 2016
  • #201
Moff said:
Sorry Mr Forum Policeman why the fuck cant I slag off CCC? I slag off SISU a lot more if that's ok with you.

And as for get out of the woodwork you fucking moron, I have just logged on to see the most imbecilic fucking twat spouting utter shit, so that is why I responded.
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Fuck off you twat, I said there were others that slag off CCC and you are one of them... Have I told a lie?? you fucking great numpty.
 

Moff

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 7, 2016
  • #202
Sky Blue Kid said:
Fuck off you twat, I said there were others that slag off CCC and you are one of them... Have I told a lie?? you fucking great numpty.
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So, cant I slag off the Council as well as SISU you muppett.
 
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skybluebeduff

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 7, 2016
  • #203
torchomatic said:
My lad is ten and like his Dad lacks principles. Ah well.
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No, you lack being assertive, but that's my opinion

EDIT:

Just so you know why I used the word assertive:

'Being assertive means being able to stand up for your own or other people's rights in a calm and positive way, without being either aggressive, or passively accepting 'wrong'.
 
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skybluebeduff

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 7, 2016
  • #204
Sky Blue Kid said:
Can someone put up that video of Fisher again please.
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torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 7, 2016
  • #205
skybluebeduff said:
No, you lack being assertive, but that's my opinion

EDIT:

Just so you know why I used the word assertive:

'Being assertive means being able to stand up for your own or other people's rights in a calm and positive way, without being either aggressive, or passively accepting 'wrong'.
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Right so anyone who takes their kids to the Ricoh isn't being assertive?
 

skybluebeduff

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 7, 2016
  • #206
torchomatic said:
Right so anyone who takes their kids to the Ricoh isn't being assertive?
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'Being assertive means being able to stand up for your own or other people's rights in a calm and positive way, without being either aggressive, or passively accepting 'wrong'.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 7, 2016
  • #207
skybluebeduff said:
'Being assertive means being able to stand up for your own or other people's rights in a calm and positive way, without being either aggressive, or passively accepting 'wrong'.
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I know what it means. As i said are you saying Ricoh attendees taking their kids to see the team they support are being unassertive and not standing to up for the rights of those who just go to away games like you or are doing the NOPM thing?

By going we and thousands of others are accepting "wrong"?
 

Sky Blue Kid

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 7, 2016
  • #208
Moff said:
So, cant I slag off the Council as well as SISU you muppett.
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Where have I said that you can't?... Torchy was going on about it being alright to slag off SISU but not CCC. I pointed out he, Nick, and Grendel to name but 3 always do it. He then said Yes just 3 so I named another 4-5 that do it, you being one. Not lying am I? Just doing a "Nick" "For Balance" like.
 

Sky Blue Kid

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 7, 2016
  • #209
Are you watching Grenduffy???? post #204. Now come back and say he didn't believe what he was saying!!!
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 7, 2016
  • #210
Sky Blue Kid said:
Are you watching Grenduffy???? post #204. Now come back and say he didn't believe what he was saying!!!
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Is this the old Fisher is a liar game again?
 
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