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Sisu lack of ambition & investment (5 Viewers)

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  • Start date Jan 28, 2014
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Sky Blue Kid

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  • Jan 29, 2014
  • #106
@ Ashdown1.......Be fair though mate....She is a Christian
 

Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2014
  • #107
cochese said:
You don't have any evidence though do you. You said it yourself, the accounts haven't been filed. If the accounts haven't been filed how can you be sure what is being charged. You have no evidence what they are charging the club now. You're making it up. Guessing. Assuming. Make believe.

Until I have the facts, like you, I can't prove what is being charged.
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No see post #85, a certified accountant has discovered payment of interest charges.
 

Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2014
  • #108
cochese said:
Astute knows exactly what SISU are charging. He made the figure up himself.
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Deny the facts all you wish, it won't change them.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2014
  • #109
cochese said:
Astute knows exactly what SISU are charging. He made the figure up himself.
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Ah so I now released the accounts for SISU until they stopped publishing them :claping hands:

No wonder our club has no future with SISU in charge when we have people like you making up excuses for them. We then have people thinking the bullshit you come out with is the truth.

So the morning started out with you saying that the accounts never showed they charged our club nearly 4m a year. You then said they have stopped charging our club since then. Now you say it is all down to me

Can you now show me the proof of all of this as I love a good joke.
 

cochese

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2014
  • #110
Astute said:
Ah so I now released the accounts for SISU until they stopped publishing them :claping hands:

No wonder our club has no future with SISU in charge when we have people like you making up excuses for them. We then have people thinking the bullshit you come out with is the truth.

So the morning started out with you saying that the accounts never showed they charged our club nearly 4m a year. You then said they have stopped charging our club since then. Now you say it is all down to me

Can you now show me the proof of all of this as I love a good joke.
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Putting words into my mouth again?
 

Sky Blue Kid

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2014
  • #111
@ cochese...... cochese 1. A fictional police detective portrayed by a fictional character named Nathan Wind in a fictional TV show called Sabotage. This was the inspiration for the Beastie Boys video of the same name. A homage to 70's/80's police detective dramas. Played by the Beastie Boys MCA, aka MC Adam Yauch, aka Nathaniel Hornblower. 2. A person who looks dashing in aviator sunglasses and a fu-man-chu moustache. 3. A moniker used by a Police Officer on a variety of internet fori...............................................................................................................It seems you like your "Fiction" quite a bit pal!....Although point 3) has me thinking.
 
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RPHunt

New Member
  • Jan 29, 2014
  • #112
cochese said:
Putting words into my mouth again?
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There would be little point putting words into your mouth as that clearly isn't the orifice you use for talking out of.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2014
  • #113
cochese said:
Putting words into my mouth again?
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cochese said:
Ok I'll bite since you seem to go on about it like a broken record. Where did this £2.5m in management fees (I'm not childish enough to say mismanagement) and £1.2m in interest come from. I hope this is fact and not some figure you've calculated, or a historical figure from way back when the likes of Orange Ken were trying to run the club.
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cochese said:
And thanks for quoting figures from 2011. It's 2014. And we've been through administration and a big overhaul with regards to those who run our club now. So you don't know how much SISU is charging the club in management fees right now do you? You also don't know if and how much interest we are paying for SISU to subsidize our temporary location to Northampton either.
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cochese said:
You do not know what they are charging us in management fees and interest payments.
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cochese said:
in 2010 they charged us those management fees. Past tense. In the past. Not now. Not any more. Used to. You do not know what SISU are charging the club now. This second. This moment. Right now.
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cochese said:
You don't have any evidence though do you. You said it yourself, the accounts haven't been filed. If the accounts haven't been filed how can you be sure what is being charged. You have no evidence what they are charging the club now. You're making it up. Guessing. Assuming. Make believe.

Until I have the facts, like you, I can't prove what is being charged.
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cochese said:
Facts like these?

I'm not trying to defend SISU. I'm just trying to prove that you don't know the difference between fact and fiction.
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cochese said:
Astute knows exactly what SISU are charging. He made the figure up himself.
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All posted by you on this thread.
 
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Noggin

New Member
  • Jan 29, 2014
  • #114
cochese said:
Putting words into my mouth again?
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They took management fees in 2011, they took increased management fees in 2012, since then they have become significantly more evil, significantly more predatory, have started to focus significantly more on whats best for themselves and damn everyone else and they have become more secritive including going to every possible length to avoid filing their accounts.

It may not be 100% guaranteed to assume that they continue to take management fees but you'd be completely nuts to suggest anything else and you are completely nuts for criticising those who assume this is what they are doing.

in 2011 there was a bear in the woods, we went and did a survey and sure enough the bear shit in the woods, in 2012 there was a bear in the woods, we did a survey and sure enough the bear shit in the woods. 2013/14 there is a bear in the woods and you are jumping up and down and telling us we don't know if there is bear shit in the woods.
 

Moff

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  • Jan 29, 2014
  • #115
Sky Blue Kid said:
Although point 3) has me thinking.
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I will mark this momentous day in my diary and uncork the Champagne as Sky Blue Kid has announced he has been thinking.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2014
  • #116
Moff said:
I will mark this momentous day in my diary and uncork the Champagne as Sky Blue Kid has announced he has been thinking.
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Just need to get Cochese to do the same now
 

Moff

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2014
  • #117
RPHunt said:
There would be little point putting words into your mouth as that clearly isn't the orifice you use for talking out of.
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That's not very nice. Can you give me the details of the Police number you were going to call to report Grendel on
 

Gint11

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2014
  • #118
Whats becoming my main concern above anything else and I include in that relegation, is losing Pressley. I honestly believe this man is the best manager we have had in years. He has a DNA, philsophy high pressing idea and structure that is brilliant. If only the club was run properly and he took over a few years ago we would be top end Championship or better by now. I hope he doesn't get fed up and leave.
 
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thaiskyblue

New Member
  • Jan 29, 2014
  • #119
Gint11 said:
Whats becoming my main concern above anything else and I include in that relegation, is losing Pressley. I honestly believe this man is the best manager we have had in years. He has a DNA, philsophy high pressing idea and structure that is brilliant. If only the club was run properly and he took over a few years ago we would be top end Championship or better by now. I hope he doesn't get fed up and leave.
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Nobody would blame him if he did.
 

Sky Blue Kid

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2014
  • #120
@ Moff...................Make sure it's "Bollinger", "Dom Pom" or "Crystal"....I don't like pomagne. You know what I mean? The crap you usually drink
 
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ecky

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2014
  • #121
From what I heard Pressley thought more of him than a stop gap, any half decent striker is better than what we have at present?
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2014
  • #122
Gint11 said:
Whats becoming my main concern above anything else and I include in that relegation, is losing Pressley. I honestly believe this man is the best manager we have had in years. He has a DNA, philsophy high pressing idea and structure that is brilliant. If only the club was run properly and he took over a few years ago we would be top end Championship or better by now. I hope he doesn't get fed up and leave.
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Think a lot will depend on what happens at the end of the season. He's bound to be in demand so will at the very least want to see some sign of ambition from SISU, more than likley with some assurances about a return to Coventry. If he doesn't get that who would blame him, or any of the promising youngsters, for leaving.

If he does go there's every chance a few of the players will follow him.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2014
  • #123
Moff said:
That's not very nice. Can you give me the details of the Police number you were going to call to report Grendel on
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Maybe he is saying that he is talking out of his ears and that is why he can't hear or understand the truth :thinking about:
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2014
  • #124
Gint11 said:
Whats becoming my main concern above anything else and I include in that relegation, is losing Pressley. I honestly believe this man is the best manager we have had in years. He has a DNA, philsophy high pressing idea and structure that is brilliant. If only the club was run properly and he took over a few years ago we would be top end Championship or better by now. I hope he doesn't get fed up and leave.
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Get fed up and leave?

It is never boring at our club these days.
 
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Ashdown1

New Member
  • Jan 29, 2014
  • #125
Pressley is the only tangible successful link that SISU can fire back at their critics. Without his guidance and what he has achieved this term, but instead with a team sliding down the league table with a string of poor defeats their position becomes even more untenable. Even the guys who attend Sixfields will lose faith with our owners and their spiteful antics if SP packs his bags !
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2014
  • #126
Ashdown1 said:
Pressley is the only tangible successful link that SISU can fire back at their critics. Without his guidance and what he has achieved this term, but instead with a team sliding down the league table with a string of poor defeats their position becomes even more untenable. Even the guys who attend Sixfields will lose faith with our owners and their spiteful antics if SP packs his bags !
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I would also say the same if we don't have a fit striker after Friday and Wilson struggles when he comes back. He will have to get his fitness back again.
 

cochese

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2014
  • #127
Astute said:
Ah so I now released the accounts for SISU until they stopped publishing them :claping hands:

No wonder our club has no future with SISU in charge when we have people like you making up excuses for them. We then have people thinking the bullshit you come out with is the truth.

So the morning started out with you saying that the accounts never showed they charged our club nearly 4m a year. You then said they have stopped charging our club since then. Now you say it is all down to me

Can you now show me the proof of all of this as I love a good joke.
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Astute said:
All posted by you on this thread.
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Sorry, you'll have to highlight the bit where I said SISU stopped charging us any fees. I can't seem to see it.
 

Astute

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  • Jan 29, 2014
  • #128
cochese said:
Sorry, you'll have to highlight the bit where I said SISU stopped charging us any fees. I can't seem to see it.
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Show where you said they were payable still and I will show you where you were saying that I am wrong as they stopped showing the books several times.

So do you really think they are charging our club about 4m a year or not? If not I would say there is a very good chance you are alone in thinking so.
 
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Moff

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2014
  • #129
Sky Blue Kid said:
@ Moff...................Make sure it's "Bollinger", "Dom Pom" or "Crystal"....I don't like pomagne. You know what I mean? The crap you usually drink
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I will...I had thought of you as a Babycham man
 
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RPHunt

New Member
  • Jan 29, 2014
  • #130
Moff said:
That's not very nice. Can you give me the details of the Police number you were going to call to report Grendel on
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Sorry, no, but Grendel can probably give him the name of his solicitor.

He is going to sue me for "defemation", though whether he means defamation or defecation is anyone's guess.
 

Sky Blue Kid

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2014
  • #131
@ Moff...I will...I had thought of you as a Babycham man .....................................................................................No mate, I'll leave that to the lightweights like yourself.
 

cochese

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2014
  • #132
Astute said:
Show where you said they were payable still and I will show you where you were saying that I am wrong as they stopped showing the books several times.

So do you really think they are charging our club about 4m a year or not? If not I would say there is a very good chance you are alone in thinking so.
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You say it here. I put it in Bold for you. That's the text that is slightly darker than the rest of the text.

Astute said:
So what happened to them financing our stay in Northampton? Or was it just another lie to us?

They can gift the club money. They will not lose out as they are charging the club 2.5m a year in mismanagement fees and 1.2m interest payments. And once they take us back to Coventry they will be in profit with the skeleton squad we will have to get used to.
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your turn
 

cochese

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2014
  • #133
Astute said:
Show where you said they were payable still and I will show you where you were saying that I am wrong as they stopped showing the books several times.

So do you really think they are charging our club about 4m a year or not? If not I would say there is a very good chance you are alone in thinking so.
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And you didn't accuse me of saying they stopped showing the books:

Astute said:
Ah so I now released the accounts for SISU until they stopped publishing them :claping hands:

No wonder our club has no future with SISU in charge when we have people like you making up excuses for them. We then have people thinking the bullshit you come out with is the truth.

So the morning started out with you saying that the accounts never showed they charged our club nearly 4m a year. You then said they have stopped charging our club since then. Now you say it is all down to me

Can you now show me the proof of all of this as I love a good joke.
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You accused me of saying the stopped charging the club
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2014
  • #134
So what has what I have said got anything to do with you insinuating that SISU are not charging our club nearly 4m a year now that there are no accounts published?

The second one that you have put was a reply to someone saying it don't make any difference to our club being charged so much. Yet you highlighted it. Where does it show that you were not insinuating that I am wrong?

And you are yet to answer my question. Do you think that they are still charging our club about 4m a year? Or are you doing a Grendull and trying to change the subject?
 

cochese

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2014
  • #135
Astute said:
So what has what I have said got anything to do with you insinuating that SISU are not charging our club nearly 4m a year now that there are no accounts published?

The second one that you have put was a reply to someone saying it don't make any difference to our club being charged so much. Yet you highlighted it. Where does it show that you were not insinuating that I am wrong?

And you are yet to answer my question. Do you think that they are still charging our club about 4m a year? Or are you doing a Grendull and trying to change the subject?
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So you're changing it from me saying that SISU stopped charging the club, to me insinuating that they are not charging the club nearly 4m.

I have no idea how much they are charging the club. I even said that much. You don't have any idea either. Because you'd need accounts to tell you that. And you don't have them. You only have them from when orange ken was trying to run the club. So stop pretending you know.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2014
  • #136
And you seem to be the only one that thinks there is a chance that they stopped charging our club nearly 4m a year once they stopped publishing the accounts. You say we don't have any idea? They charged each year. Why would they stop now?
 

Sky Blue Kid

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2014
  • #137
@ Astute....The idiot is a WUM mate, I shouldn't bother if I were you. Or he is.................. 1)Sociopaths seek to dominate others and "win" at all costs. They hate to lose any argument or fight and will viciously defend their web of lies, even to the point of logical absurdity......... 2)Sociopaths never apologize. They are never wrong. They never feel guilt. They can never apologize. Even if shown proof that they were wrong, they will refuse to apologize and instead go on the attack.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2014
  • #138
Astute said:
So what has what I have said got anything to do with you insinuating that SISU are not charging our club nearly 4m a year now that there are no accounts published?

The second one that you have put was a reply to someone saying it don't make any difference to our club being charged so much. Yet you highlighted it. Where does it show that you were not insinuating that I am wrong?

And you are yet to answer my question. Do you think that they are still charging our club about 4m a year? Or are you doing a Grendull and trying to change the subject?
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It's you whose changing the subject. You have always said the club charges management fees and interest at a certain amount. It's clear you haven't a single clue how much they now charge. Soon you'll be saying the wage bill is the same as that year.

Give up while your behind.
 

bigfatronssba

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2014
  • #139
cochese said:
So you're changing it from me saying that SISU stopped charging the club, to me insinuating that they are not charging the club nearly 4m.

I have no idea how much they are charging the club. I even said that much. You don't have any idea either. Because you'd need accounts to tell you that. And you don't have them. You only have them from when orange ken was trying to run the club. So stop pretending you know.
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The thing is with accounts is that you make a judgement based on the available evidence.

The last published accounts show sisu charging these management charges, so that is what we have to go on.

If they wish to publish the last accounts for ccfc ltd & holdings to show otherwise then we can revaluate our position, but until then we have to go on the figures we have.
 

Moff

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 29, 2014
  • #140
Sky Blue Kid said:
@ Moff...I will...I had thought of you as a Babycham man .....................................................................................No mate, I'll leave that to the lightweights like yourself.
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Lightweight haha.....one day we should get together for a good old drinking game and we can see who the lightweight is
 
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