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SkyBlueDubai

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  • Mar 12, 2013
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I am writing not as a Pro-Sisu or Pro-Council/ACL, I am writing as a lifelong and genuinely worried Coventry City fan.

Whilst I am sure the comments coming from Tim Fisher in this morning’s Guardian interview are a last ditch attempt of a form of brinkmanship to force ACL's hand back to the table and renegotiate, I think we all need to be aware as Coventry City football supporters the difference between Administration and Insolvency, and if no middle ground is made, how SISU can make money for years to come in putting Coventry City out of business for good.

If SISU were to put Coventry City into Administration, an Administrator would be appointed at a significant cost, to come in, look at all costs, evaluate assets if any, and sell off as many assets as possible in order to pay any debtors outstanding. The debtors could range from players wages, rent costs, stationary, team coach etc. If the administrator deems that there is not enough sell-able assets to cover costs, then he will then declare the business insolvent, effectively not having enough money to continue. Coventry City being liquated means that the club no longer exists, the very same what happened with Wimbledon, 10+ years ago. If in the event someone decided to re-open the club they would have to do so 9 or 10 divisions below like newly formed AFC Wimbledon.

So the question I ask, If Coventry City were to go into Administration, what do they have to sell? They have no assets, just debt – so surely this is not an option?

What people don't realize is what benefit do SISU have putting Coventry City into administration? Let me tell you, absolutely nothing. Yes they walk away from a loss-making business, and yes they potentially write off their investment made into the business, but this potentially allows for someone to come in and take the club on the cheap with a 10 point deduction. Given the bad natured negotiations between CCFC and ACL/Council (Why by the way both parties have behaved despicably), why would SISU just walk away or “get out of town” with nothing.

If ACL/Council and Coventry City don’t come to an agreement, SISU can and more likely will put Coventry City FC into liquidation, meaning, no more Sky Blues, no more Coventry City FC. Why they would do this, if they declare Coventry City FC as insolvent, SISU as a business can make money on their other businesses/funds on something called tax losses. This basically means in a roundabout way, whatever money has been lost in Coventry City FC, SISU would have to pay no tax on future earnings from their other businesses until their losses are recouped.

So I ask my last question, and something for us all to think about…… Do you think it’s more likely SISU put the club into administration, allow someone to have the club on the cheap, and walk away with nothing or do you think it is more likely the liquidate the club, meaning no more CCFC, but make money on the liquidation on tax breaks for years to come?

As fans, going on social media, and chanting SISU out will not keep our beloved club in business, we need them now as much as they need us, as much as it pains me to admit.

Whether you agree with Coventry, ACL or Council’s stand, it is now immaterial, we need the Council and ACL to reconvene negotiations, as fans we need to be more vocal, as be on the side of the club! (Not SISU). The club matters most, now if the Council and ACL do not come to the table, rent payment or no rent payment, OUR LOCAL COUNCIL has played a part closing the club down for good.
 

sky blue john

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 12, 2013
  • #2
What you forget to state in your totally unbiased oppinion !!!
liquidation makes the most saleable asset which is the league registration worthless !!!
Anyway TF needs to get of his arse get back to the negotiating table rather than whining in the press its everyone elses fault !!!
 

coundonskyblue

New Member
  • Mar 12, 2013
  • #3
Love how you try and make out your impartial until the last paragraph.

Maybe its time Timmy picked up the phone and got negotiations back on?
 

edgy

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 12, 2013
  • #4
You do realise who called the negotiations off, right? They say love is blind, in this case I'd say so is hate.
 

sky blue john

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 12, 2013
  • #5
Anyway in terms of tax loss offsetting against profitable sides of the sisu empire.
Wouldn't this have already been used by Sisu each year already or can you claim them twice?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 12, 2013
  • #6
coundonskyblue said:
Love how you try and make out your impartial until the last paragraph.

Maybe its time Timmy picked up the phone and got negotiations back on?
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Yep he's on the side of the football club.

How dare he.

He's forgot the script. Worship the council praise ACL - lets close the club down.
 

coundonskyblue

New Member
  • Mar 12, 2013
  • #7
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Grendel said:
Yep he's on the side of the football club.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>How dare he. </p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>He's forgot the script. Worship the council praise ACL - lets close the club down.
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We're all on the side of the football club. I certainly wouldn't be planning on freezing my tits off watching them tonight if I wasn't.
 

sky blue john

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 12, 2013
  • #8
Grendel said:
Yep he's on the side of the football club.

How dare he.

He's forgot the script. Worship the council praise ACL - lets close the club down.
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Instead of bitching on here Grendel why don't you use some of that hot air and go and protest outside the counsel if you feel that strongly?
At the end of the day neither side will be influenced by the fans, so whatever happens will happen and has to run its course.
But i doubt you feel strongly enough to protest other than behind your warm keyboard !!!
The people that are trying to do things like Micheal and Jan you berate, why ?
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 12, 2013
  • #9
sky blue john said:
Instead of bitching on here Grendel why don't you use some of that hot air and go and protest outside the counsel if you feel that strongly?
At the end of the day neither side will be influenced by the fans, so whatever happens will happen and has to run its course.
But i doubt you feel strongly enough to protest other than behind your warm keyboard !!!
The people that are trying to do things like Micheal and Jan you berate, why ?
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It's a good point. Does anything we say or do matter. I have an idea. Why don't we stand local councillors in constituencies around the city on a pro ccfc stance? Are there elections this may? Vote Grendel your pro ccfc candidate
 

Flying Fokker

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 12, 2013
  • #10
SkyBlueDubai said:
I am writing not as a Pro-Sisu or Pro-Council/ACL, I am writing as a lifelong and genuinely worried Coventry City fan.

Whilst I am sure the comments coming from Tim Fisher in this morning’s Guardian interview are a last ditch attempt of a form of brinkmanship to force ACL's hand back to the table and renegotiate, I think we all need to be aware as Coventry City football supporters the difference between Administration and Insolvency, and if no middle ground is made, how SISU can make money for years to come in putting Coventry City out of business for good.

If SISU were to put Coventry City into Administration, an Administrator would be appointed at a significant cost, to come in, look at all costs, evaluate assets if any, and sell off as many assets as possible in order to pay any debtors outstanding. The debtors could range from players wages, rent costs, stationary, team coach etc. If the administrator deems that there is not enough sell-able assets to cover costs, then he will then declare the business insolvent, effectively not having enough money to continue. Coventry City being liquated means that the club no longer exists, the very same what happened with Wimbledon, 10+ years ago. If in the event someone decided to re-open the club they would have to do so 9 or 10 divisions below like newly formed AFC Wimbledon.

So the question I ask, If Coventry City were to go into Administration, what do they have to sell? They have no assets, just debt – so surely this is not an option?

What people don't realize is what benefit do SISU have putting Coventry City into administration? Let me tell you, absolutely nothing. Yes they walk away from a loss-making business, and yes they potentially write off their investment made into the business, but this potentially allows for someone to come in and take the club on the cheap with a 10 point deduction. Given the bad natured negotiations between CCFC and ACL/Council (Why by the way both parties have behaved despicably), why would SISU just walk away or “get out of town” with nothing.

If ACL/Council and Coventry City don’t come to an agreement, SISU can and more likely will put Coventry City FC into liquidation, meaning, no more Sky Blues, no more Coventry City FC. Why they would do this, if they declare Coventry City FC as insolvent, SISU as a business can make money on their other businesses/funds on something called tax losses. This basically means in a roundabout way, whatever money has been lost in Coventry City FC, SISU would have to pay no tax on future earnings from their other businesses until their losses are recouped.

So I ask my last question, and something for us all to think about…… Do you think it’s more likely SISU put the club into administration, allow someone to have the club on the cheap, and walk away with nothing or do you think it is more likely the liquidate the club, meaning no more CCFC, but make money on the liquidation on tax breaks for years to come?

As fans, going on social media, and chanting SISU out will not keep our beloved club in business, we need them now as much as they need us, as much as it pains me to admit.

Whether you agree with Coventry, ACL or Council’s stand, it is now immaterial, we need the Council and ACL to reconvene negotiations, as fans we need to be more vocal, as be on the side of the club! (Not SISU). The club matters most, now if the Council and ACL do not come to the table, rent payment or no rent payment, OUR LOCAL COUNCIL has played a part closing the club down for good.
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Does SISU pay tax anyway?
SISU took the club to the brink again. Who's table? You make it sound like it Is everyone's but SISU's fault. The fans have no power. But they know right from wrong and SISU hold the clun to ransom. They are not interested in us . The council have had to join this debacle because a public asset is in danger of being lost to a bunch of crooks in SISU.
 
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Gosford Green

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  • Mar 12, 2013
  • #11
Football.It operates in a parallel universe to
conventional business methods and practice.This new financial fair play rule might establish a link between the two.

And the point about SISu using our club as a tax wheez is a very good one,if worrying.

Shouting 'SISU OUT' like a squeeky toy with the batteries running out each time something goes wrong at the Ricoh is getting tiresome.Unless there is a Cov loving Arabian prince who needs to set fire to £50 notes en masse we don't know about,we should be careful what we wish for.
 
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Steve.B50

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 12, 2013
  • #12
I agree with FF they are the real crooks and do not care about us as people or supporters, hence why our situation is being discussed in Parliment today as its obvious that SISU are in the wrong.
 
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elephanttears

New Member
  • Mar 12, 2013
  • #13
coundonskyblue said:
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We're all on the side of the football club. I certainly wouldn't be planning on freezing my tits off watching them tonight if I wasn't.
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Don't include yourself in "we're", you have made it quite clear that your a devout ACL follower. Your no fan of this club.
 
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elephanttears

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  • Mar 12, 2013
  • #14
coundonskyblue said:
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We're all on the side of the football club. I certainly wouldn't be planning on freezing my tits off watching them tonight if I wasn't.
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It also wouldn't surprise me if you have just got back from the Falklands after being one of the three that voted no!
 

Flying Fokker

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 12, 2013
  • #15
Bit harsh.
 

Sub

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 12, 2013
  • #16
SkyBlueDubai said:
I am writing not as a Pro-Sisu or Pro-Council/ACL, I am writing as a lifelong and genuinely worried Coventry City fan.

Whilst I am sure the comments coming from Tim Fisher in this morning’s Guardian interview are a last ditch attempt of a form of brinkmanship to force ACL's hand back to the table and renegotiate, I think we all need to be aware as Coventry City football supporters the difference between Administration and Insolvency, and if no middle ground is made, how SISU can make money for years to come in putting Coventry City out of business for good.

If SISU were to put Coventry City into Administration, an Administrator would be appointed at a significant cost, to come in, look at all costs, evaluate assets if any, and sell off as many assets as possible in order to pay any debtors outstanding. The debtors could range from players wages, rent costs, stationary, team coach etc. If the administrator deems that there is not enough sell-able assets to cover costs, then he will then declare the business insolvent, effectively not having enough money to continue. Coventry City being liquated means that the club no longer exists, the very same what happened with Wimbledon, 10+ years ago. If in the event someone decided to re-open the club they would have to do so 9 or 10 divisions below like newly formed AFC Wimbledon.

So the question I ask, If Coventry City were to go into Administration, what do they have to sell? They have no assets, just debt – so surely this is not an option?

What people don't realize is what benefit do SISU have putting Coventry City into administration? Let me tell you, absolutely nothing. Yes they walk away from a loss-making business, and yes they potentially write off their investment made into the business, but this potentially allows for someone to come in and take the club on the cheap with a 10 point deduction. Given the bad natured negotiations between CCFC and ACL/Council (Why by the way both parties have behaved despicably), why would SISU just walk away or “get out of town” with nothing.

If ACL/Council and Coventry City don’t come to an agreement, SISU can and more likely will put Coventry City FC into liquidation, meaning, no more Sky Blues, no more Coventry City FC. Why they would do this, if they declare Coventry City FC as insolvent, SISU as a business can make money on their other businesses/funds on something called tax losses. This basically means in a roundabout way, whatever money has been lost in Coventry City FC, SISU would have to pay no tax on future earnings from their other businesses until their losses are recouped.

So I ask my last question, and something for us all to think about…… Do you think it’s more likely SISU put the club into administration, allow someone to have the club on the cheap, and walk away with nothing or do you think it is more likely the liquidate the club, meaning no more CCFC, but make money on the liquidation on tax breaks for years to come?

As fans, going on social media, and chanting SISU out will not keep our beloved club in business, we need them now as much as they need us, as much as it pains me to admit.

Whether you agree with Coventry, ACL or Council’s stand, it is now immaterial, we need the Council and ACL to reconvene negotiations, as fans we need to be more vocal, as be on the side of the club! (Not SISU). The club matters most, now if the Council and ACL do not come to the table, rent payment or no rent payment, OUR LOCAL COUNCIL has played a part closing the club down for good.
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Thanks for that informed reply joy hope its nice in Dubai
 

coundonskyblue

New Member
  • Mar 12, 2013
  • #17
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elephanttears said:
Don't include yourself in &quot;we're&quot;, you have made it quite clear that your a devout ACL follower. Your no fan of this club.
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Look through my posts and you'll see I never result to personal insults, but you are a twat.

How dare you accuse me a not being a fan.
 

blueflint

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 12, 2013
  • #18
firstly grendel is sisu secondly it was sisu who broke off negotiations thirdly the income streams from food and drink belong to compass so ccfc cant have them til a new contract comes up for negotiation and compass wont give them up easily
 
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OyJimmy

Member
  • Mar 12, 2013
  • #19
If we were put into admin then players could be sold to raise money. In liquidation they go for free. Liquidating us would be utterly stupid which is why it won't happen
 
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SkyBlueDubai

New Member
  • Mar 12, 2013
  • #20
I am not on anyone's side, I only want whats best for OUR club.

The reality is, both equally SISU AND the local Council could contribute towards the clubs downfall.

That said, since we have been relegated from the Championship, there has been a hell of a lot of effort in making amends by SISU's part, namely 20+ signings (loan or permanent), two really credible manager appointments, and upgrade of our youth academy.

Whereas the Council/ACL, what have they done for OUR club, offer to reduce the to an amount that is double the League One standard? and not forth coming on match day revenues which may I add, is money we all pay to go and see OUR football club.
 

mattylad

Member
  • Mar 12, 2013
  • #21
coundonskyblue said:
<p>

Look through my posts and you'll see I never result to personal insults, but you are a twat.

How dare you accuse me a not being a fan.
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Absolutely no need to result to that...shame on you
 
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LoyalSupporters

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  • Mar 12, 2013
  • #22
These threads about SISU bore me so much zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
 
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SkyBlueDubai

New Member
  • Mar 12, 2013
  • #23
How much could you sell a League One player for, compared to what we owe?

My guess is not a lot.
 

blueflint

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  • Mar 12, 2013
  • #24
SkyBlueDubai said:
How much could you sell a League One player for, compared to what we owe?

My guess is not a lot.
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not a lot for one sell ten it mounts up sell twenty even more
 

Delboycov

Active Member
  • Mar 12, 2013
  • #25
SkyBlueDubai said:
I am not on anyone's side, I only want whats best for OUR club.

The reality is, both equally SISU AND the local Council could contribute towards the clubs downfall.

That said, since we have been relegated from the Championship, there has been a hell of a lot of effort in making amends by SISU's part, namely 20+ signings (loan or permanent), two really credible manager appointments, and upgrade of our youth academy.

Whereas the Council/ACL, what have they done for OUR club, offer to reduce the to an amount that is double the League One standard? and not forth coming on match day revenues which may I add, is money we all pay to go and see OUR football club.
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That mask of impartiality wasn't worn for long was it?!
 
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elephanttears

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  • Mar 12, 2013
  • #26
coundonskyblue said:
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Look through my posts and you'll see I never result to personal insults, but you are a twat.

How dare you accuse me a not being a fan.
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Well you certainly have now, its a free open forum and i am entitled to question whether your a fan or not due to how i interpret your comments regarding ACL.
 

sky blue john

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 12, 2013
  • #27
SkyBlueDubai said:
How much could you sell a League One player for, compared to what we owe?

My guess is not a lot.
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Hi Grendel
 
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OyJimmy

Member
  • Mar 12, 2013
  • #28
SkyBlueDubai said:
How much could you sell a League One player for, compared to what we owe?

My guess is not a lot.
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It not about recovering all of what we owe it's about recovering some. Liquidation won't recover anything from player sales. FACT!
 

Warwickhunt

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 12, 2013
  • #29
Flying Fokker said:
Does SISU pay tax anyway?
SISU took the club to the brink again. Who's table? You make it sound like it Is everyone's but SISU's fault. The fans have no power. But they know right from wrong and SISU hold the clun to ransom. They are not interested in us . The council have had to join this debacle because a public asset is in danger of being lost to a bunch of crooks in SISU.
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A Public Assett that was supported by Coventry City since its inception I would point out, a public assett that would never have been realised if it was not for CCFC cleaning up a peice of toxic ground that the council sold to CCFC as they would not clean it up
 
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RoboCCFC90

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 12, 2013
  • #30
coundonskyblue said:
<p>

Look through my posts and you'll see I never result to personal insults, but you are a twat.

How dare you accuse me a not being a fan.
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Coundon my friend, Don't rise to this poster I did yesterday on another subject and it took me an hour and a half with my Therapist to soothe my condition..
 

Danceswithhorses

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 12, 2013
  • #31
SkyBlueDubai said:
I am not on anyone's side, I only want whats best for OUR club.

The reality is, both equally SISU AND the local Council could contribute towards the clubs downfall.

That said, since we have been relegated from the Championship, there has been a hell of a lot of effort in making amends by SISU's part, namely 20+ signings (loan or permanent), two really credible manager appointments, and upgrade of our youth academy.

Whereas the Council/ACL, what have they done for OUR club, offer to reduce the to an amount that is double the League One standard? and not forth coming on match day revenues which may I add, is money we all pay to go and see OUR football club.
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Another new(ish) poster claiming to be impartial, but showing his true colours with this post...the PR department at SISU HQ must try harder
 
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elephanttears

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  • Mar 12, 2013
  • #32
RoboCCFC90 said:
Coundon my friend, Don't rise to this poster I did yesterday on another subject and it took me an hour and a half with my Therapist to soothe my condition..
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Robbo my friend, you fail to say you started the insults yesterday. I dont want to go along with the status quo/lemmings on here i say what i think. As soon as we started arguing you were liking any anyone's post who disagreed with me and went running to round up your "fwends" for help lol. There is nothing wrong with saying what you think.
 
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RoboCCFC90

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  • Mar 12, 2013
  • #33
elephanttears said:
Robbo my friend, you fail to say you started the insults yesterday. I dont want to go along with the status quo/lemmings on here i say what i think. As soon as we started arguing you were liking any anyone's post who disagreed with me and went running to round up your "fwends" for help lol. There is nothing wrong with saying what you think.
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Damn and I thought my plan was flawless
 
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elephanttears

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  • Mar 12, 2013
  • #34
RoboCCFC90 said:


Damn and I thought my plan was flawless
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I feel embarrassed for you mate, trying to gather the "troops" to fight your battles for you. I dont need anyone i can do this all day with you if you want. All you do is like what people say and agree with them you dont have anything worthwhile to say in my opinion. I can be a twat at times i agree myself but at least i say what i think. Your a fraud.
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 12, 2013
  • #35
SkyBlueDubai said:
I am writing not as a Pro-Sisu or Pro-Council/ACL, I am writing as a lifelong and genuinely worried Coventry City fan.

Whilst I am sure the comments coming from Tim Fisher in this morning’s Guardian interview are a last ditch attempt of a form of brinkmanship to force ACL's hand back to the table and renegotiate, I think we all need to be aware as Coventry City football supporters the difference between Administration and Insolvency, and if no middle ground is made, how SISU can make money for years to come in putting Coventry City out of business for good.

If SISU were to put Coventry City into Administration, an Administrator would be appointed at a significant cost, to come in, look at all costs, evaluate assets if any, and sell off as many assets as possible in order to pay any debtors outstanding. The debtors could range from players wages, rent costs, stationary, team coach etc. If the administrator deems that there is not enough sell-able assets to cover costs, then he will then declare the business insolvent, effectively not having enough money to continue. Coventry City being liquated means that the club no longer exists, the very same what happened with Wimbledon, 10+ years ago. If in the event someone decided to re-open the club they would have to do so 9 or 10 divisions below like newly formed AFC Wimbledon.

So the question I ask, If Coventry City were to go into Administration, what do they have to sell? They have no assets, just debt – so surely this is not an option?

What people don't realize is what benefit do SISU have putting Coventry City into administration? Let me tell you, absolutely nothing. Yes they walk away from a loss-making business, and yes they potentially write off their investment made into the business, but this potentially allows for someone to come in and take the club on the cheap with a 10 point deduction. Given the bad natured negotiations between CCFC and ACL/Council (Why by the way both parties have behaved despicably), why would SISU just walk away or “get out of town” with nothing.

If ACL/Council and Coventry City don’t come to an agreement, SISU can and more likely will put Coventry City FC into liquidation, meaning, no more Sky Blues, no more Coventry City FC. Why they would do this, if they declare Coventry City FC as insolvent, SISU as a business can make money on their other businesses/funds on something called tax losses. This basically means in a roundabout way, whatever money has been lost in Coventry City FC, SISU would have to pay no tax on future earnings from their other businesses until their losses are recouped.

So I ask my last question, and something for us all to think about…… Do you think it’s more likely SISU put the club into administration, allow someone to have the club on the cheap, and walk away with nothing or do you think it is more likely the liquidate the club, meaning no more CCFC, but make money on the liquidation on tax breaks for years to come?

As fans, going on social media, and chanting SISU out will not keep our beloved club in business, we need them now as much as they need us, as much as it pains me to admit.

Whether you agree with Coventry, ACL or Council’s stand, it is now immaterial, we need the Council and ACL to reconvene negotiations, as fans we need to be more vocal, as be on the side of the club! (Not SISU). The club matters most, now if the Council and ACL do not come to the table, rent payment or no rent payment, OUR LOCAL COUNCIL has played a part closing the club down for good.
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Skyblue Dubai how long have you been a member in the forum?

How long have you been Coventry City fan?

What prompted you to join the forum?
 
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