To get £5m?
I guess it depends on ticket prices.
That was more everything going just right wasn't it? Like Leicester winning the premier league last season and Yeovil getting into the championship the other season
Sorry not been following. Where does the £5m figure come from?
No, unless your a big club, you get punished for not sticking to ffp! Look at Bournemouth. Last year fined £7.6mil for breaching ffp. Nothing happens with it though?????Nick nothing happens with ffp it just doesn't matter you get around it, look at Man City with massive sponsorship deals it's called imagination. Ffp is just a thing that our owners hide behind.
Yes, it's the jump between now and title contenders in the championship. How do we get there?
Getting rid of SISU is obviously the first step. Then some stability at every level of the club while reinstating some pride at every level of the club. Promotion out of this league is going to be a big help in all of that. Especially pride. Consolidate in the championship and unless we have a rich sugar daddy who's willing to do a Bournemouth with us we need to emulate someone like Burnley. This is of course going to require investment but the crucial thing is the thing that money can't buy. A happy club. Our club is toxic from top to bottom. Do you think Burnley or Bournemouth could have achieved all they have in the toxic environment we have to operate in? That can only change with SISU going, it starts with them.
They also sold 50000 season tickets! Yeah let's compare us to West Ham
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That is possibly the most stupid comment I've ever seen. Of course you could push with ticket sales.Has there been any club ever who's fan's have purchased enough tickets to pay for a premier league push? How much would ticket prices need to be to do that? How big would a grounds capacity have to be to do that?
It's investment that ultimately get most if not all teams to the premier league. Some manage it on less such as Burnley but then you have clubs like Newcastle at the opposite end of the scale.
Not sure what point you're trying to make. It's investment that gets teams promoted not ticket sales and I don't believe you're stupid enough to not realise that so presumably you think everyone else is and you can get away with making a pointless, fact less statement like you did
Do you really think any other club will get a deal like West hams rental one?
That is possibly the most stupid comment I've ever seen. Of course you could push with ticket sales.
Ok for example: sisu leave in May, new owners come in! We amazingly sell 20,000 season tickets at £300 each. Even before shirt sales and sponsorship deals, that's £6m. Nobody is stupid enough to not realise that should and could get us out of this league. Then onto the championship. We grow another 5 thousand fans. 25,000 tickets at £400 is £10m with much higher sponsor money and TV deals etc that, mixed with the right management, can at least push for top half. New owners and new lease of life could even negotiate a better deal with wasps/acl for match day revenues.
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No answer to the question then?
Well, according to you all energy should be focused on SISU, so does not that not kind of say they are the only enemy? Rather than fighting everyone who attacks the club? There is no motivation for Wasps to have a successful CCFC. Why would they hand over revenue when they have bonds to pay, also Beale and Cipriani salaries? Or will they stop signing marquee players so CCFC can try and become more successful?
If CCFC became successful, what do you think would be the result to Wasps ambitions?
Oh what a classic remedy penalise probably the most loyal supporters we have, who have suffered over 40 years of shite following ccfc. I have a better idea cancel adult season tickets. Season ticket holders pay about £12 a match nearly 100% less than walk up fans and 50% less than game by game 60+ year olds.This isn't going to be popular but we need to change the age that the senior tickets start I believe they start at 60 yet people work on until 65 minimum also some not all have far more spare income than the fans than pay the most the 18-60 bracket this will start to produce more money for the club as our fan base is old.
Blackpool, or did the Oystons invest millions?
Not every club gets to the Premier League investing shit loads of cash, but it does help.
Bournemouth couldn't have done anything without a Billionaire.
Realistically, what's the plan to get us to being a contender in the championship?
No idea. Very difficult to say. We were top 6 for 3/4 of last season (33 games/dropped out 5th march) and only averaged c12k. We didn't hit 15k mark until the gills game late November, that was followed up by 2 decent crowds. We ended up with an average of around 12k.Not antagonising, genuine question.
What do you reckon our crowds would be if we were top 6 all season?
That is possibly the most stupid comment I've ever seen. Of course you could push with ticket sales.
Ok for example: sisu leave in May, new owners come in! We amazingly sell 20,000 season tickets at £300 each. Even before shirt sales and sponsorship deals, that's £6m. Nobody is stupid enough to not realise that should and could get us out of this league. Then onto the championship. We grow another 5 thousand fans. 25,000 tickets at £400 is £10m with much higher sponsor money and TV deals etc that, mixed with the right management, can at least push for top half. New owners and new lease of life could even negotiate a better deal with wasps/acl for match day revenues.
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We seem to have a mindset that we can't ever achieve anything.
Some on here jump down the throat of anybody talking positive, always offering excuses why we can't do it rather than offering ways of doing it.
As pointed out above, until we get rid of Sisu we can never start to feel positive as they are holding everything up.
If it is just money and investment .. why has it taken so long for Sheffield Utd to get out of this league.. admittedly they are top this year but how many years have they splashed the cash and not made it .. it takes a massive slice of luck to get promoted as well as investment .. simon Gilbert has done a great job again of getting fans arguing with a nothing story.. of course fans would return with a hint of success... I am by no means a sisu supporter but like tim fisher has stated why would they leave at the bottom of a cycle .. how much would Jordan pay for a business he thinks is making a million a year.. we know it isn't ,but Jordan thinks it is because that's what Gilbert has told him
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If it is just money and investment .. why has it taken so long for Sheffield Utd to get out of this league.. admittedly they are top this year but how many years have they splashed the cash and not made it .. it takes a massive slice of luck to get promoted as well as investment .. simon Gilbert has done a great job again of getting fans arguing with a nothing story.. of course fans would return with a hint of success... I am by no means a sisu supporter but like tim fisher has stated why would they leave at the bottom of a cycle .. how much would Jordan pay for a business he thinks is making a million a year.. we know it isn't ,but Jordan thinks it is because that's what Gilbert has told him
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Top post. Probably naive but a little organisation and encouragement to be involved and a little vision would make a difference even now. It's as if the club want to discourage people from comingThat is possibly the most stupid comment I've ever seen. Of course you could push with ticket sales.
Ok for example: sisu leave in May, new owners come in! We amazingly sell 20,000 season tickets at £300 each. Even before shirt sales and sponsorship deals, that's £6m. Nobody is stupid enough to not realise that should and could get us out of this league. Then onto the championship. We grow another 5 thousand fans. 25,000 tickets at £400 is £10m with much higher sponsor money and TV deals etc that, mixed with the right management, can at least push for top half. New owners and new lease of life could even negotiate a better deal with wasps/acl for match day revenues.
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What has sheff utd got to do with it? You said how can selling more tickets alone gain a club promotion back to the premier league? For years now I've said Sheff utd are league 1s answer to man city. Spend, spend, spend. Come up short in the end.Sheffield United must get promoted from league one every season then. Strange they keep coming up on the fixture list. Money isn't the only factor. Of you're lacking in the other factors you have to compensate with more money. If it's available.
If it is just money and investment .. why has it taken so long for Sheffield Utd to get out of this league.. admittedly they are top this year but how many years have they splashed the cash and not made it .. it takes a massive slice of luck to get promoted as well as investment .. simon Gilbert has done a great job again of getting fans arguing with a nothing story.. of course fans would return with a hint of success... I am by no means a sisu supporter but like tim fisher has stated why would they leave at the bottom of a cycle .. how much would Jordan pay for a business he thinks is making a million a year.. we know it isn't ,but Jordan thinks it is because that's what Gilbert has told him
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Oh what a classic remedy penalise probably the most loyal supporters we have, who have suffered over 40 years of shite following ccfc. I have a better idea cancel adult season tickets. Season ticket holders pay about £12 a match nearly 100% less than walk up fans and 50% less than game by game 60+ year olds.
Are you related to George Osbourne by any chance ?
No, unless your a big club, you get punished for not sticking to ffp! Look at Bournemouth. Last year fined £7.6mil for breaching ffp. Nothing happens with it though?????
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The way matchday costs and the like are covered West Ham are essentially getting the stadium rent free. They also get a share of other revenues such as naming rights.West Ham are at the London Stadium on matchdays only they are not making constant noise about ownership and fighting with everyone.
Why? That would be completely playing into Fishers hands. Its very clear Jordan hasn't got a grasp on some very basic facts about our situation. Fisher would run rings around him.Next time Fisher is on the radio they should say we have a special guest who would like to speak to you and bring out Jordan.
Very roughly you'd be looking at doubling all ticket prices if you retained the same attendance with increased prices. Obviously that wouldn't happen so you'd have to more than double them hoping to reach a point where enough people would pay silly money to generate the revenue. Its basically impossible.Also how will he get £5m just from ticket sales on 10,000 like he says?
What has sheff utd got to do with it? You said how can selling more tickets alone gain a club promotion back to the premier league? For years now I've said Sheff utd are league 1s answer to man city. Spend, spend, spend. Come up short in the end.
The question was could a team get promoted on just ticket sales alone? TM came up just short on a £3m budget. I've proposed a way to give a manager double that with just ticket sales!
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Regardless of what they made/spent, how many players would we need to sell to pay the fine for not sticking to ffp in league 1. The point made was ffp was easy to get around, my point was, if so, why have teams been fined for it? Bournemouth luckily have an owner happy to put his hand in his pocket! We don't! Breaking ffp for us would just be the final nail in the liquidation coffin for CCFCThat must have hurt out of the £100 million plus they made for getting there. Was the fine from their last championship year?
I don't quite get what your argument is? If you're trying to make a point to me that sisu need to be gone and we need new management from top to bottom? Go back a and read my original post again!!And if everything at the club was done just a little bit better he could have achieved more. If the training ground was maintained better and decorated with some pride already he'd have had more in the playing budget for players, there also might have been a higher level of pride at the club reflecting on the pitch. Just for example.
I'll use the example again of Newcastle and Bournemouth. Newcastle have to spend a lot more than Bournemouth to achieve promotion to the premier league. Why is that? Newcastle spent a lot more than Bournemouth last season. Bournemouth stayed up, Newcastle didn't. Why is that?
Nobody is jumping down his throat but you only have to read the article to see he has very little clue about our situation and what led to it. He then comes out with a plan that is, to all intents and purposes, the same one Ranson tried.Some on here jump down the throat of anybody talking positive,
The way matchday costs and the like are covered West Ham are essentially getting the stadium rent free. They also get a share of other revenues such as naming rights.
Their deal is a million miles away from what we have at the Ricoh.
Why? That would be completely playing into Fishers hands. Its very clear Jordan hasn't got a grasp on some very basic facts about our situation. Fisher would run rings around him.
Very roughly you'd be looking at doubling all ticket prices if you retained the same attendance with increased prices. Obviously that wouldn't happen so you'd have to more than double them hoping to reach a point where enough people would pay silly money to generate the revenue. Its basically impossible.
Jordan isn't on the scene, there's nothing to get rid of?Either it gets rid of Jordan who I think is a horrible character as he is made to look an ass or it shows Fisher up for the twat he is the people who have interviewed him so far haven't given him a hard time as they want him back on the show
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