Nick
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I was only really on about the stadium bit rather than all of it.
That is like asking Joy Seppala for her thoughts on Ann Lucas.
This isn't going to be popular but we need to change the age that the senior tickets start I believe they start at 60 yet people work on until 65 minimum also some not all have far more spare income than the fans than pay the most the 18-60 bracket this will start to produce more money for the club as our fan base is old.
We could get 5m from ticket revenue if the product on the field was better as more would turn up.
It makes sense that increased crowds equals increased income. Simon Jordan is right. Get a winning team and crowds will increase. Commercial common sense. I wish Simon Jordan really would form a consortium and take us over.Interesting when searching Simon Jordan stadium rent.
I read Simon Jordan's book and it's a load of rubbish, says Ron Noades
Has there been any club ever who's fan's have purchased enough tickets to pay for a premier league push? How much would ticket prices need to be to do that? How big would a grounds capacity have to be to do that?
It's investment that ultimately get most if not all teams to the premier league. Some manage it on less such as Burnley but then you have clubs like Newcastle at the opposite end of the scale.
Not sure what point you're trying to make. It's investment that gets teams promoted not ticket sales and I don't believe you're stupid enough to not realise that so presumably you think everyone else is and you can get away with making a pointless, fact less statement like you did
TGP, you can fuck right off ;-) it's my 50th anniversary of going this year and I deserve to pay less than the youngsters..................I've suffered far more than most of them!!!!!
(just having a laugh before going to freeze my nuts off in Chesterfield) PUSB
I've never understood owning a stadium is crucial. It's always a benefit and especially when a London rugby club owns the stadium with your name in the seats but I wouldn't let me stop my football club from succeeding. 100k rent is nothing SJ is right.
The problem here is sisu and they are running the club into the ground and selling any player worth a penny to break even. It's a model destined to fail and where we are in the table suggests so.
The 1m profit doesn't matter to the average fan and it was only achieved by selling our best players again I.e Maddison. It's not a success. We are destined for league two and even if we stay up this season it's next season Imo.
It doesn't have to be like this, it could be very different with different views and different owners. Sorry but Jordan makes sense without being 100% correct I accept. Without sisu we have half a chance with sisu well to quote Jordan "Christ knows what will happen"
So who is going to invest enough and never expect it back unless we get there? It's ok you keep mentioning Burnley but what about the Brightons and the Forests who are also chasing it?
All SJ is basically saying is ignore the revenues and just pile loads of money into a squad to get to the premier league.
According to some SISU have pumped in £70 million, only to take us to the edge of L2.
This ain't going to happen whilst Wasps own the Ricoh. They need all the income they can to pay the bonds off, finance their biggest team in Europe ambition and most importantly fund their real estate aspirations.
It's all good though as SISU are the only enemy and threat to the football club.
Also will need investment from proper owners and that is isn't the trust.
Who's defending?
Isn't the West ham deal a bit different to ours?
As is West Hams owners.
Depends on the other details of a rent agreement really. If it was stepped based on league it might be worth their while. A bigger share of the income should in theory increase our chances of promotion and if the rent agreement would land them a big fat juicy bonus every season we're in the premier league it would be worth their while, you could even link in a bonus to parachute payments should we come straight back down sweetening the deal.
You've rather sarcastically then said that SISU are the only enemy to the club but here's the rub. Without ambitious owners willing to invest in the club there's no motivation for wasps to do anything to encourage growth at CCFC. Why would they hand over revenue when they're not going to gain anything from it?
So you're happy having no say at all in the direction of the club? Accepting that it's not actually our club but a privately owned business we are customers of?
Surprised at that, but each to their own I guess. Personally I like CCFC to be ours not our owners. That doesn't preclude outside investment or even majority ownership by a third party.
Hook, line and sinker. Sisu must be laughing all the way back to London.
So who is going to invest enough and never expect it back unless we get there? It's ok you keep mentioning Burnley but what about the Brightons and the Forests who are also chasing it?
All SJ is basically saying is ignore the revenues and just pile loads of money into a squad to get to the premier league.
Sorry what I mean is 100% ownership for the trust, they could hold a small percentage but not own it we can't agree on here about trivial things imagine making the big decisions at the club.
I would rather see 75% rich man or woman 25% fan owned roughly
No answer to the question then?
Well, according to you all energy should be focused on SISU, so does not that not kind of say they are the only enemy? Rather than fighting everyone who attacks the club? There is no motivation for Wasps to have a successful CCFC. Why would they hand over revenue when they have bonds to pay, also Beale and Cipriani salaries? Or will they stop signing marquee players so CCFC can try and become more successful?
If CCFC became successful, what do you think would be the result to Wasps ambitions?
Yes, it's the jump between now and title contenders in the championship. How do we get there?Forest have been mismanaged at every level for decades same as us. Can't say I know too much about Brighton to be honest but I don't think it's unreasonable to look at clubs like Burnley and say that promotion isn't possible even with limited revenue streams (Burnley's limiting factor being footfall and small audience to sell things like merchandise to) if a club is run correctly the right amount of investment doesn't need to be hundreds of millions like you're trying to convince people it needs to be. Burnley have proved this twice in three seasons. They didn't blow their premier league money on wages to get them straight back up, they invested it in the club. New training facilities being the big one and it's paid dividends before it's even finished as the club is ran with a real pride and passion and that transpires into the pitch.
If we were in the championship and serious title contenders I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that we could get near filling the Ricoh that potentially could put us on similar revenue income's as Burnley at the same level (parachute payments excluded) despite not owning our ground.
They also sold 50000 season tickets! Yeah let's compare us to West HamWest Ham don't lease 365day, they lease match day only. Not even allowed to train on it. They have shop and offices there that they have 365day access to but they do get access to all match day revenue and a share of the the naming rights. This is the basis that the club should be looking at as a deal at the Ricoh, ain't going to happen under SISU though.
Do you really think any other club will get a deal like West hams rental one?That is answering the question. There is nothing comparable between us and West Ham. Including the owners. We can look to them for inspiration though. They have a rental agreement that gives them access to revenues including naming rights. Why can't we use that as a blueprint in our own rental negotiation's? They have forward thinking owners who saved the club from the edge of disaster by investing. Why can't we use that as a blueprint in our own situation? Just because you don't like the answer doesn't mean it isn't an answer.
SISU will kill the club long before any of the other "enemies" so therefore should be our priority. If you can't see that then I don't know what else to say to you.
FFP rules are different in league one. Its 60% turnover compared with thr championship and premier league which is allowable losses.Nick nothing happens with ffp it just doesn't matter you get around it, look at Man City with massive sponsorship deals it's called imagination. Ffp is just a thing that our owners hide behind.
Yes, it's the jump between now and title contenders in the championship. How do we get there?
That is answering the question. There is nothing comparable between us and West Ham. Including the owners. We can look to them for inspiration though. They have a rental agreement that gives them access to revenues including naming rights. Why can't we use that as a blueprint in our own rental negotiation's? They have forward thinking owners who saved the club from the edge of disaster by investing. Why can't we use that as a blueprint in our own situation? Just because you don't like the answer doesn't mean it isn't an answer.
SISU will kill the club long before any of the other "enemies" so therefore should be our priority. If you can't see that then I don't know what else to say to you.
IIRC our largest ticket income in thr last 10-15 years was in our first season at thr Ricoh averaging over 21k with cup games was about £5.2m. In our last accounts ticket income/match reciepts with c10k plus cup games was £1.8m in fact our entire turnover was only £4.7m yet Simon Jordan thinks we should get £5m ticket income from 10k fans.Also how will he get £5m just from ticket sales on 10,000 like he says? We turned over less than that in total didn't we last accounts?
IIRC our largest ticket income in thr last 10-15 years was in our first season at thr Ricoh averaging over 21k with cup games was about £5.2m. In our last accounts ticket income/match reciepts with c10k plus cup games was £1.8m in fact our entire turnover was only £4.7m yet Simon Jordan thinks we should get £5m ticket income from 10k fans.
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For the usual few on here not going to Chesterfield this will keep them busy trying to defend SISU's absurb position. .
IIRC our largest ticket income in thr last 10-15 years was in our first season at thr Ricoh averaging over 21k with cup games was about £5.2m. In our last accounts ticket income/match reciepts with c10k plus cup games was £1.8m in fact our entire turnover was only £4.7m yet Simon Jordan thinks we should get £5m ticket income from 10k fans.
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Has there been any club ever who's fan's have purchased enough tickets to pay for a premier league push? How much would ticket prices need to be to do that? How big would a grounds capacity have to be to do that?
Not antagonising, genuine question.
What do you reckon our crowds would be if we were top 6 all season?
I havent bothered reading this thread yet.
But I'm guessing, has Nick tried to smear Simon Jordan yet??
That was more everything going just right wasn't it? Like Leicester winning the premier league last season and Yeovil getting into the championship the other seasonBlackpool, or did the Oystons invest millions?
Not every club gets to the Premier League investing shit loads of cash, but it does help.
I reckon it would be 12-13 for a couple of months, 13-15 and then 17-19 if it looks bang on to win and then play offs would shoot up for the occasion.
So an average of about 15k. Would that be enough?
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