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Simms + Wright = ? (1 Viewer)

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ccfc1234

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  • Oct 21, 2023
  • #176
rob9872 said:
How many perfect chances did our midfield create that any of the three should've scored today? Not suggesting they've played well, but all feeding off scraps.
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I appreciate your optimism but based on what you have seen so far this season what price would you say hadji wright is worth?
 
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Greggs

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  • Oct 21, 2023
  • #177
ccfc1234 said:
I appreciate your optimism but based on what you have seen so far this season what price would you say hadji wright is worth?
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Be careful, anything but optimism will get abuse.
 

Johhny Blue

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  • Oct 21, 2023
  • #178
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Own Goal is doing quite well to be fair to him.
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Had one wiped out today
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 21, 2023
  • #179
Johhny Blue said:
Had one wiped out today
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Difficult to make out if it was justified from the other end of the ground
 

higgs

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  • Oct 21, 2023
  • #180
Matt smith said:
Expecting more than that to be honest Higgs
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Still expecting more

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Legia Sky Blue

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  • Oct 22, 2023
  • #181
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Difficult to make out if it was justified from the other end of the ground
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For some reason they didn't replay the disallowed goal on i follow. On first sight I couldn't see who was offside. Our players didn't seem to complain though so presumably the decision was correct.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Oct 22, 2023
  • #182
ccfc1234 said:
I appreciate your optimism but based on what you have seen so far this season what price would you say hadji wright is worth?
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£1m.
 
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CV22SBA

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  • Oct 22, 2023
  • #183
Sick Boy said:
£1m.
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Which would include Simms
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Oct 22, 2023
  • #184
rob9872 said:
How many perfect chances did our midfield create that any of the three should've scored today? Not suggesting they've played well, but all feeding off scraps.
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I don't think spending £10m on a couple of strikers who can score tap-ins is really the best use of funds.

You pay that money so they can score goals that are more than just handed to them on a plate.
 
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The Philosopher

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  • Oct 22, 2023
  • #185
Beginning to think Wright and Kitching were panic buys.

Simms I can understand the logic: proven at this level to a degree, staged fee, young, potential to improve; a calculated risk. That he hasn’t hit the groove yet is a bit surprising given his form last season in this division.

12m plus on Wright and Kitching to sit on the bench? Could have brought in 12 decent 1m prospects to pack the squad with decent cover and potential.
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Oct 22, 2023
  • #186
The Philosopher said:
Beginning to think Wright and Kitching were panic buys.

Simms I can understand the logic: proven at this level to a degree, staged fee, young, potential to improve; a calculated risk. That he hasn’t hit the groove yet is a bit surprising given his form last season in this division.

12m plus on Wright and Kitching to sit on the bench? Could have brought in 12 decent 1m prospects to pack the squad with decent cover and potential.
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I’m not sure Kitching was a panic buy, I got the impression we’d been looking at him for quite a while. I agree though, it’s bizarre with them both being on the bench and not sure the money has been spent wisely at all.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Oct 22, 2023
  • #187
Sick Boy said:
I’m not sure Kitching was a panic buy, I got the impression we’d been looking at him for quite a while. I agree though, it’s bizarre with them both being on the bench and not sure the money has been spent wisely at all.
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Maybe the fee we paid was a bit of a panic to get the deal done before the deadline, rather than the signing overall
 
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rob9872

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  • Oct 22, 2023
  • #188
Kitching worries me less. Good age, was captain and leader which we need more of. Sure he'll improve and be fine. He was carrying a knock when he arrived and not yet perhaps where he should be, but one who will come good. Simms will improve too and probably just needs some confidence and time, I thought he'd turned a corner at QPR but I still think will be ok.

Wright is a concern and at that value I'd like to think we'd have done our homework but having never played in England let alone the Championship it's more difficult to assess. I hope he comes good and I'm not writing him off yet, but does need to settle soon.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Oct 23, 2023
  • #189
The Philosopher said:
Beginning to think Wright and Kitching were panic buys.

Simms I can understand the logic: proven at this level to a degree, staged fee, young, potential to improve; a calculated risk. That he hasn’t hit the groove yet is a bit surprising given his form last season in this division.

12m plus on Wright and Kitching to sit on the bench? Could have brought in 12 decent 1m prospects to pack the squad with decent cover and potential.
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Wright was scouted before the end of last season. He said he knew he was coming here during the playoff final.

Simms seems to have been picked up because Everton tried to offload him as part of a Vik offer but Vik didn’t want to go to the Prem.
 

Johhny Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 24, 2023
  • #190
The original point of the thread was too guess the combined goals total for Simms and Wright. I thought about 27.
The question now might be is 20 too ambitious?
 
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Ashdown

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  • Oct 24, 2023
  • #191
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Oct 24, 2023
  • #192
Johhny Blue said:
The original point of the thread was too guess the combined goals total for Simms and Wright. I thought about 27.
The question now might be is 20 too ambitious?
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At the moment 20 looks ambitious. On current form it is hard to envisage either getting into double figures. Let's hope they improve considerably and prove us wrong.
 
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fatso

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  • Oct 24, 2023
  • #193
Johhny Blue said:
The original point of the thread was too guess the combined goals total for Simms and Wright. I thought about 27.
The question now might be is 20 too ambitious?
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I'd be happy if they finish above own goals tbf.
 

False9

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  • Oct 24, 2023
  • #194
They have 4 in 12 after pretty much sharing duties. That is the same as Viktor had after 12 games.

So if that job share continues you'd want them to be scoring 21 between them to match Vik
 

Greggs

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  • Oct 25, 2023
  • #195
 
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coop

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  • Oct 25, 2023
  • #196
False9 said:
They have 4 in 12 after pretty much sharing duties. That is the same as Viktor had after 12 games.

So if that job share continues you'd want them to be scoring 21 between them to match Vik
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That's isn't going to be enough
 

The Philosopher

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  • Oct 25, 2023
  • #197
Starting to think we should drop both of them and get Max back.

Satire.

I hope.
 
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SBT

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  • Oct 30, 2023
  • #198
We have a big problem looming with these two - Robins has switched back to a lone striker system and is talking about how it suits Wright. But neither him nor Simms are in form, and neither of them will be content with sitting out most games - I’d be amazed if they signed under that proviso, at least. How long does it last until one of them gets seriously unhappy with their playing time?
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 30, 2023
  • #199
SBT said:
We have a big problem looming with these two - Robins has switched back to a lone striker system and is talking about how it suits Wright. But neither him nor Simms are in form, and neither of them will be content with sitting out most games - I’d be amazed if they signed under that proviso, at least. How long does it last until one of them gets seriously unhappy with their playing time?
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Forever. They’re both likely on the most they’ll be able to get anywhere and their earning potential won’t have improved.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 30, 2023
  • #200
shmmeee said:
Forever. They’re both likely on the most they’ll be able to get anywhere and their earning potential won’t have improved.
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I doubt Wright will complain if he doesn’t start games when he’s missing sitters like that.
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Oct 30, 2023
  • #201
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SeaSeeEffCee

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  • Oct 30, 2023
  • #202
Given how much Wright hides on the pitch I doubt he’s the sort of character to be banging on the manager’s door demanding to play.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 30, 2023
  • #203
Own goals is just one behind their combined tally.
 

Skybluedownunder

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  • Oct 31, 2023
  • #204
The Philosopher said:
Starting to think we should drop both of them and get Max back.

Satire.

I hope.
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Surely he’d just retire seeming as he hasn’t had a club in so long


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napolimp

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  • Oct 31, 2023
  • #205
Johhny Blue said:
The original point of the thread was too guess the combined goals total for Simms and Wright. I thought about 27.
The question now might be is 20 too ambitious?
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We basically had 2 forwards last season who scored a combined 29.

This season we still have Godden, and Vik has been replaced by Wright + Simms with an extra £6-7 mil in the bank.

So far they have 9. If they get another 20 then surely that should be considered an excellent return? Based on goals so far they are actually on track even though this is a baron run.

I do wonder who's going to replace Hamer's goals from midfield though.
 
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SBT

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  • Oct 31, 2023
  • #206
napolimp said:
We basically had 2 forwards last season who scored a combined 29.

This season we still have Godden, and Vik has been replaced by Wright + Simms with an extra £6-7 mil in the bank.

So far they have 9. If they get another 20 then surely that should be considered an excellent return?
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The obvious problem with your question is that you would always rather have one player in your first XI who can score 20 goals instead of two players who can score 10 - if it takes two players to replace one player's goal output then you have to make compromises elsewhere. Until recently we have been trying to accommodate two strikers who are struggling to score goals, and the whole tactical setup has been suffering as a result.
 
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  • Oct 31, 2023
  • #207
SBT said:
We have a big problem looming with these two - Robins has switched back to a lone striker system and is talking about how it suits Wright. But neither him nor Simms are in form, and neither of them will be content with sitting out most games - I’d be amazed if they signed under that proviso, at least. How long does it last until one of them gets seriously unhappy with their playing time?
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Not sure it's a huge problem. Godden got a fair few games last season anyway, they can push each other(!) and if one really struggled to play they could go on loan January and hopefully do an Adebola for their City career rather than a Walker.
 
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napolimp

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  • Oct 31, 2023
  • #208
SBT said:
The obvious problem with your question is that you would always rather have one player in your first XI who can score 20 goals instead of two players who can score 10 - if it takes two players to replace one player's goal output then you have to make compromises elsewhere. Until recently we have been trying to accommodate two strikers who are struggling to score goals, and the whole tactical setup has been suffering as a result.
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I did think about this, but I factored in Godden's goals for the 29 goal number - which covers when we had 2 up front. And when we played just Gyokeres with the box midfield, we only really had the 6 Allen goals coming from the 10 position. The issue is still Hamer's goals obviously, but they came from Sheaf/Eccles role.
 
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SBT

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  • Oct 31, 2023
  • #209
Deleted member 5849 said:
Not sure it's a huge problem. Godden got a fair few games last season anyway, they can push each other(!) and if one really struggled to play they could go on loan January and hopefully do an Adebola for their City career rather than a Walker.
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If we send either Wright or Simms out on loan in January then it will be much, much more difficult to attract top players in the next summer window. Any player with options wants/needs to know their next manager will back them - farming out Wright or Simms sends out the message that we're not really bothered.
 
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  • Oct 31, 2023
  • #210
SBT said:
If we send either Wright or Simms out on loan in January then it will be much, much more difficult to attract top players in the next summer window. Any player with options wants/needs to know their next manager will back them - farming out Wright or Simms sends out the message that we're not really bothered.
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I'm not so sure it's any worse than we're not playing them!
 
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