You're paraphrasing what I said and spinning it into something completely different. My point is that if you allow people a voice - even if it is one you vehemently disagree with - then wider Society ultimately decides whether it is acceptable or not. That's not empathising with it or legitimising it, it's removing it from the shadows and shining a light on it to show it for what it is.Genuine question, not an accusatory question. Are you a white man?
I genuinely would find it hard to believe you would hold this view if you weren’t. It’s impossible for me as a brown man (dad Indian, mum English) to even begin to empathise with/ legitimise anyone with far right views.
What you’re saying here is you can find a way to accept that people have a negative view of a person entirely based on their race and / or religion. In my view it’s absolutely abhorrent and always will be.
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Hmm.... not so sure.What to say? Nothing really… the underpinning of a democracy is people are allowed different opinions. Just because you don’t agree doesn’t mean she isn’t allowed hers.
tommy Robinson is a bellend, but it’s his right in a free and open country to be a bellend
Allow them to have their views? Of course. Mix with them? Absolutely not.As unsavoury as it may seem, people are allowed different opinions and beliefs. I'm politically a centrist, and find both the far right and the far left have some distasteful ideals, but I'm happy to allow them to have their voice. The world would be incredibly dull and santised without a wide range of views for people to discuss and challenge and, yes, believe. That's the (thoertical) beauty of a democracy - the view of the majority is what matters, and that can be shaped by challenging conversations by those at the edges.
With that political broadcast out of the way, I'd probably start by asking her why she went.
78Out of curiosity, what age(ish) is she?
Fucking hell. I’d be genuinely looking at moving.So this is what we learnt from last night …
The mother in law and 7 of her friends all about the same age ( mid 70s ) have been fully paid up members of Britain First. They meet once a week in a local pub to discuss politics and put the world to right .
They make weekends of going to Tommy Robinson rallies or other far right gatherings. She and her friends don’t hide the fact that they don’t like foreigners or people of colour. They should all go to where they came from. She is not for re-educating . Her indoors like me could not believe what she was coming out with. Unfortunately she moved from Marbella and bought the house next door to us and we see her every day . We just never knew what this woman got up to !!!
she will be shocked next week when my mate comes around for a drink .
Don't know all the circumstances, but might be worth finding out (if you can) that she is not financing / leaving stuff in her estate to to any associated organisation. These people need 'funding' and they'll look for it wherever they can.So this is what we learnt from last night …
The mother in law and 7 of her friends all about the same age ( mid 70s ) have been fully paid up members of Britain First. They meet once a week in a local pub to discuss politics and put the world to right .
They make weekends of going to Tommy Robinson rallies or other far right gatherings. She and her friends don’t hide the fact that they don’t like foreigners or people of colour. They should all go to where they came from. She is not for re-educating . Her indoors like me could not believe what she was coming out with. Unfortunately she moved from Marbella and bought the house next door to us and we see her every day . We just never knew what this woman got up to !!!
she will be shocked next week when my mate comes around for a drink .
Ask her what she thinks of Kasey Palmer.So this is what we learnt from last night …
The mother in law and 7 of her friends all about the same age ( mid 70s ) have been fully paid up members of Britain First. They meet once a week in a local pub to discuss politics and put the world to right .
They make weekends of going to Tommy Robinson rallies or other far right gatherings. She and her friends don’t hide the fact that they don’t like foreigners or people of colour. They should all go to where they came from. She is not for re-educating . Her indoors like me could not believe what she was coming out with. Unfortunately she moved from Marbella and bought the house next door to us and we see her every day . We just never knew what this woman got up to !!!
she will be shocked next week when my mate comes around for a drink .
She came back because she got mugged 3 times once at knife point who just happened to be Black Africans .The best bit about this is she doesn't like foreigners..but it was ok for her to live in Marbella
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An excellent practical point in among it all.Don't know all the circumstances, but might be worth finding out (if you can) that she is not financing / leaving stuff in her estate to to any associated organisation. These people need 'funding' and they'll look for it wherever they can.
Well she openly said she pays an annual membership the same as her friends. Not sure how much thoughAn excellent practical point in among it all.
What you don't want (although tbf I'm unsure how you stop it!) is her leaving her house to them!Well she openly said she pays an annual membership the same as her friends. Not sure how much though
She’s just a very twisted horrible person.What you don't want (although tbf I'm unsure how you stop it!) is her leaving her house to them!
The point about mental degeneration is maybe worth exploring too, but that depends on whether she's always had a hatred of foreigners I guess?
So her daughter takes after her dad then I take it.She’s just a very twisted horrible person.
Does your wife have any brothers or sisters who can help?She’s just a very twisted horrible person.
Fortunately her dad had the right idea and left her 40 years ago but passed away , he was a great man . Her indoors is as gobsmacked as me . You just don’t know people even this close !So her daughter takes after her dad then I take it.
She came back because she got mugged 3 times once at knife point who just happened to be Black Africans .
Why? Because she got mugged by people of black African origin?Which is why there needs to be a sensible discussion on immigration.
In Spain, no less!Why? Because she got mugged by people of black African origin?
Why? Because she got mugged by people of black African origin?
What you said suggested that people of black African origin are violent, aggressive, criminal minded.In both Spain and the UK (and many other countries in Europe), certain demographics are overrepresented in the crime statistics. That doesn't mean you go and join a Tommy Robinson rally, but equally going into denial, calling people racist, or trying to stifle the debate when the facts are there isn't helpful either. It seems to happen a lot, and gives the anti-immigration argument a bigger platform.
It's better to talk about it openly and come up with some well reasoned answers or solutions, than giving fuel to people like Tommy Robinson.
What you said suggested that people of black African origin are violent, aggressive, criminal minded.
And that is indeed racist, and a non sequitur to this conversation deliberately put in to sow seeds of paranoia and fear of people of black African origin!
That may not have been your intention, but that's what it did.
So this is what we learnt from last night …
The mother in law and 7 of her friends all about the same age ( mid 70s ) have been fully paid up members of Britain First. They meet once a week in a local pub to discuss politics and put the world to right .
They make weekends of going to Tommy Robinson rallies or other far right gatherings. She and her friends don’t hide the fact that they don’t like foreigners or people of colour. They should all go to where they came from. She is not for re-educating . Her indoors like me could not believe what she was coming out with. Unfortunately she moved from Marbella and bought the house next door to us and we see her every day . We just never knew what this woman got up to !!!
she will be shocked next week when my mate comes around for a drink .
I am unable to talk to mine because she is dead.I'd love such a watertight excuse to never talk to my mother-in-law again.......
Of course, that is Craig's other option. But maybe get his missus to do it?I am unable to talk to mine because she is dead.
Well, I hope so anyway. I hit her over the head with a shovel enough times I think, fingers crossed.
Great point. In a social media age algorithms can force us to exist in a vacuum which is really really dangerous. You have to be able to find a way to engaged in a nuanced manner though which in a world (online) which thrives on polarisation, that can be really difficult.
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...or Tommy Robinson might!She'll be dead soon and you might have inheritance.
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