Shipley and Jones (1 Viewer)

Otis · Nov 19, 2017

Is it at least a partial answer to the problem down the flanks for now?

I have been disappointed with Vincenti on the whole when he has been wide and I like the fact that Shipley has a great left foot on him, but my main concern with this new potential combination is that we quite often get Jones switching wings from right to left. Just wonder if Shipley would be suited to switching wings and playing from the right.

Am guessing that as we won yesterday the likelihood is that Robins will go for pretty much the same team on Tuesday.

Nick · Nov 19, 2017

Shipley had a half decent shot yesterday when he cut back on his left as well.

Johnnythespider · Nov 19, 2017

I owe Shipley an apology, a couple of weeks back I said I would have preferred Ponticelli to come on instead of him when we had to make an early change. I was wrong, he is a better player than I gave him credit for. In answer to the op I think he does give the side more balance and deserves to start games while his form holds.

Otis · Nov 19, 2017

Johnnythespider said:
I owe Shipley an apology, a couple of weeks back I said I would have preferred Ponticelli to come on instead of him when we had to make an early change. I was wrong, he is a better player than I gave him credit for. In answer to the op I think he does give the side more balance and deserves to start games while his form holds.

Agree. Just think it may nullify the option of Jones switching wings. Obviously it would be great if Shipley could do a job coming in from the right.

Nick · Nov 19, 2017

I don't think Shipley is an out and out winger as such. He did take their full back on when he dragged it back then put it round him but he is an option. Even just for his set pieces.

Esoterica · Nov 19, 2017

Shipley is certainly very versatile. Not sure what his best position is. I've felt he's looked more comfortable at left back and left midfield than in centre midfield which I thought was his preferred position. I did like the extra defensive cover he gave to Haynes and they seemed to have an understanding with each other further up the pitch too. Again I wouldn't mind a more defensive minded left midfielder if it grants Kelly a bit more freedom. Don't think the lack of option to switch with Jones is a problem once Grimmer is back and getting beyond him. Plus his set pieces were way better than we've been used to - gets to keep the shirt for the forseeable for me and I'm sure Robins will give it him too, he's very loyal to players when they've had a good game.

no_loyalty · Nov 19, 2017

Nick said:
I don't think Shipley is an out and out winger as such. He did take their full back on when he dragged it back then put it round him but he is an option. Even just for his set pieces.

Apart from that one corner he over hit, his set pieces were excellent. He didn't look out of place and has earned himself another start on Tuesday.

Otis · Nov 19, 2017

Bout time we had a dead ball expert in the team.

Mild-Mannered Janitor · Nov 19, 2017

He is going to be a class act, if I were the scouts watching, he would be first on my list ahead of jones and the others.

steve82 · Nov 19, 2017

Yep very pleasing the way he's taken to senior football. A much improved day for set pieces at Lincoln and we actually looked more threatening from them against a good side in the air.

Rod Mcdonald and Tom Davies going in the box from the back with Maxime Biamou is not a bad trio to go into attack set pieces with predators on the ground of Nazon and JJ.

speedie87 · Nov 19, 2017

Thing I’m liking about at the moment is his attitude on pitch, Connor Thomas never got to the stage where he looked as confident out there

Hobo · Nov 19, 2017

Nick said:
I don't think Shipley is an out and out winger as such. He did take their full back on when he dragged it back then put it round him but he is an option. Even just for his set pieces.

Yes but is more about a players attitude. Know your strengths and weaknesses. If they are confident crossing a ball let them get on with it, they don't have to be Ryan Giggs or George Best.

Gazolba · Nov 19, 2017

Otis said:
Bout time we had a dead ball expert in the team.

Now all we need is an expert with the live ball.

sw88 · Nov 19, 2017

I had the same concern when folk suggested Haynes play LM, that he wouldn’t offer the same versatility and allow us to alternate what side of the pitch Jones played during games

Yesterday I don’t think Shipley went to the right did he?

So perhaps it will remove that option, but since Jones is pretty decent cutting inside to get a shot away, is it that important for him to play on the right?

Atleast Shipley being a natural midfielder he’s going to be used to getting forward.

steve82 · Nov 19, 2017

sw88 said:
I had the same concern when folk suggested Haynes play LM, that he wouldn’t offer the same versatility and allow us to alternate what side of the pitch Jones played during games

Yesterday I don’t think Shipley went to the right did he?

So perhaps it will remove that option, but since Jones is pretty decent cutting inside to get a shot away, is it that important for him to play on the right?

Atleast Shipley being a natural midfielder he’s going to be used to getting forward.

I think this is where we focus too much on JJ and hope he's the key to unlock a game. I was very keen giving Haynes a run further forwards as I think he's attacking attributes he could offer but Shipley looked solid yesterday.

We need a balance on both sides of the pitch, ideally the luxury of pace both sides gives you extra threat but if you've got someone on the other side giving the commitment, energy and passing range like Shipley who also brings set piece abilities to the team then you have to go with balance and JJ has to do the business his side and let the others do there's for the benefit of the team.

Otis · Nov 19, 2017

sw88 said:
I had the same concern when folk suggested Haynes play LM, that he wouldn’t offer the same versatility and allow us to alternate what side of the pitch Jones played during games

Yesterday I don’t think Shipley went to the right did he?

So perhaps it will remove that option, but since Jones is pretty decent cutting inside to get a shot away, is it that important for him to play on the right?

Atleast Shipley being a natural midfielder he’s going to be used to getting forward.

When we deploy Jones on one side though and it doesn't pay off we DO switch him to see if he can get any joy on the opposite flank.

It IS an option we utilise.

stevefloyd · Nov 20, 2017

Cue for him to have a shit game now

mark82 · Nov 20, 2017

A few weeks ago we wondered if Devon Kelly-Evans was the answer. I hope Shipley is but need to give it time before we know. I do think he could be a very good player though and gives us an obvious upgrade on set pieces.

sw88 · Nov 20, 2017

Otis said:
When we deploy Jones on one side though and it doesn't pay off we DO switch him to see if he can get any joy on the opposite flank.

It IS an option we utilise.

It DIDNT pay off straight away Saturday and we DIDNT switch him at all.

But I get what you are saying

Skybluefaz · Nov 20, 2017

Shipley and Jones sound like a gentleman's tailors of great distinction.

tskezz · Nov 20, 2017

would still prefer to see Shipley CM over Doyal or Kelly, we lack creativity there and rely so much on Jodi and i think Shippley would give us more. Who would play on the wing instead, not sure? Maybe start using Haynes further up

Adge · Nov 20, 2017

speedie87 said:
Thing I’m liking about at the moment is his attitude on pitch, Connor Thomas never got to the stage where he looked as confident out there

That's because he couldn't play football!

Adge · Nov 20, 2017

mark82 said:
A few weeks ago we wondered if Devon Kelly-Evans was the answer. I hope Shipley is but need to give it time before we know. I do think he could be a very good player though and gives us an obvious upgrade on set pieces.

I think people get overwhelmed by something new/different or enthusiasm from a player who is new in the team. People were pulling their chains about Devon Kelly Evans a few weeks ago but I couldn't see what the who har was all about. Just enthusiasm got him through one or two games. Has now faded into the background once again and I very much doubt he will make another 5 starts this season.
Shipley's appearances have had a lot more substance to them and I can see him being in and around the first team on merit till the end bar injury.

better days · Nov 20, 2017

Shipley looks to have something we've been missing this year - the ability to see quick passes forward and take opportunities for long range shots from midfield
We've been too ponderous in some games especially when teams park the bus at the Ricoh
I suspect he'll start against Crawley
Ben Stevenson was doing that last year but his injury against Blackburn appears to have set him back

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