they wouldn't offer him much more than we couldThey would offer him considerably more money, PL football this year, plus a much better chance of PL football next season (or the year after next if Luton do indeed go down). The rumoured offer doesn’t sound like a likely one to me, but if it were true then every agent in the country would be advising him to take it.
Considerably more money yeah right. They are having to sell Giles to prepare for life in the championship. Are you his agent?
They have the best chance of staying up out of the bottom 3, I wouldn’t take their relegation as a given.Considerably more money yeah right. They are having to sell Giles to prepare for life in the championship. Are you his agent?
nah, they are going downThey have the best chance of staying up out of the bottom 3, I wouldn’t take their relegation as a given.
Even if they were, Giles is a good Championship player. If they were preparing for relegation, why get rid?nah, they are going down
They are taking a £500k loss less than 6 months after making him their record signing. Obviously only the Luton management know the full reasons why but it certainly seems on the face of it that they need to sell himThey’re selling him because he’s not playing and another club is offering their money back.
Because they have a perfectly good championship player in Doughty who does the exact role just as well and is probably on less money.Even if they were, Giles is a good Championship player. If they were preparing for relegation, why get rid?
Reported as £5m by Sky, not that the nuances particularly matter in regards to the OPThey are taking a £500k loss less than 6 months after making him their record signing. Obviously only the Luton management know the full reasons why but it certainly seems on the face of it that they need to sell him
Been widely reported elsewhere as being £4.5 million but as you say it's all guessworkReported as £5m by Sky, not that the nuances particularly matter in regards to the OP
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I know everyone is spaffing hard over Hull atm but I'd be fuming if we spent £5 million on Ryan Giles.Reported as £5m by Sky, not that the nuances particularly matter in regards to the OP
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He has tbf improved a lot since we had him (or, at least, Middlesbrough worked out how to use him!)I know everyone is spaffing hard over Hull atm but I'd be fuming if we spent £5 million on Ryan Giles.
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You’re arguing something different now. I agree that a bid for Sheaf doesn’t make financial sense for Luton right now and is unlikely to happen. My point was that if they did decide to go for him (and they could likely afford it if they really wanted) then Sheaf wouldn’t think twice about leaving.Considerably more money yeah right. They are having to sell Giles to prepare for life in the championship. Are you his agent?
Of course he would think twice and it's hardly fantasy that he would turn them down. I am sure that he would consider whether he would get other more attractive offers in the summer, or even now, if we weren't to go up.You’re arguing something different now. I agree that a bid for Sheaf doesn’t make financial sense for Luton right now and is unlikely to happen. My point was that if they did decide to go for him (and they could likely afford it if they really wanted) then Sheaf wouldn’t think twice about leaving.
The idea that he would turn down more money (which they would inevitably offer) and more PL football in a better side to stay here instead is fantasy.
tbf, in this window he might, given the relative positions of the teams. I'd agree entirely were this the start of a season and we were in our respective divisions.You’re arguing something different now. I agree that a bid for Sheaf doesn’t make financial sense for Luton right now and is unlikely to happen. My point was that if they did decide to go for him (and they could likely afford it if they really wanted) then Sheaf wouldn’t think twice about leaving.
The idea that he would turn down more money (which they would inevitably offer) and more PL football in a better side to stay here instead is fantasy.
I think fans have difficulty taking an objective view on whether players would want to join/leave us. A couple of months ago when we were crap, people were fretting that no-one would even dream of joining us; now we’re on an unbeaten streak and our players wouldn’t even leave us for a PL team. The reality is that most players want to play at the highest level and/or get paid as much as possible. That’s it really.Of course he would think twice and it's hardly fantasy that he would turn them down. I am sure that he would consider whether he would get other more attractive offers in the summer, or even now, if we weren't to go up.
Yes but it's not clear that Luton would be his best option. I was disagreeing with your comment that he wouldn't hesitate to go there.I think fans have difficulty taking an objective view on whether players would want to join/leave us. A couple of months ago when we were crap, people were fretting that no-one would even dream of joining us; now we’re on an unbeaten streak and our players wouldn’t even leave us for a PL team. The reality is that most players want to play at the highest level and/or get paid as much as possible. That’s it really.
Yeh I'd be worried that was a very Boro specific thing.He has tbf improved a lot since we had him (or, at least, Middlesbrough worked out how to use him!)
You have a point, although he doesn’t have anything like the same leverage as Gyokeres and O’Hare given his contract.tbf, in this window he might, given the relative positions of the teams. I'd agree entirely were this the start of a season and we were in our respective divisions.
Currently he's also maybe in a Gyokeres-type position, where staying for the next few months enhances his reputation, if the alternative is potentially swapping places with us.
No but if we're in this division this summer, we're as likely to want to take the cash and deal to improve overall. Ready made replacement in Eccles already here, and the chance to fill out the squad even more.You have a point, although he doesn’t have anything like the same leverage as Gyokeres and O’Hare given his contract.
LaterDon’t worry, Slowpoke will clear this one up for everyone during the course of the evening
Didn't necessarily dislike Giles I just thought McCallum was so much betterI know everyone is spaffing hard over Hull atm but I'd be fuming if we spent £5 million on Ryan Giles.
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On loan it was lack of defensive quality wasn't it. Did well with Middlesbrough, and maybe not surprising he'd struggle in first go in top flight.Wonder if Giles has an attitude issue or is just good at impressing scouts or something. Never seems to stay anywhere more than half a season.
On loan it was lack of defensive quality wasn't it. Did well with Middlesbrough, and maybe not surprising he'd struggle in first go in top flight.
Wolves kept him forever, so not sure loans count as possible attitude problem, and we took him back of course.
Don’t forget everyone that now and again he misplaces a pass so he’s not all that!
Jokes aside, we really were spoilt with Hamer and Sheaf in midfield. No wonder Liam Kelly looked decent end of last year with those two playing alongside him.
Sheaf is ten times the player he was when we first had him. Hats off to the coaching staff.
Not sure it was our best form but he was our best player in some of those matches when Sheaf was injured. I think some of the comments people make about Kelly are very unfair given what he has contributed.Kelly was good on his own merit which is sadly quite forgotten. He also played a lot when Sheaf was out, and that coincided with our best form.
If Alex Scott is £25m and Adam Wharton is £18.5m+ (rejected) with age on their side, then I’d be looking at only anything £18m+ for Sheaf who is about to enter prime and proven.
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