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  • Start date Nov 24, 2022
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Oct 25, 2023
  • #246
rob9872 said:
Ffs some of you really do try to pretend to be too nice on a faceless football forum. I imagine you're ok with living next door to her? All sanctimonious crap.

Terrorists are ok, but dont you dare disagree with me about anything political or righteous on here or I'll follow you to the end of the earth to call you a wanker!
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I don’t think anyone on here as ever said that if she were to return she shouldn’t be in prison. She was born and radicalised in the UK, meaning she’s the UK’s problem. Plus I’m not sure countries should be allowed to revoke citizenship of someone born there if they’re entitled to citizenship.
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 25, 2023
  • #247
She’s already participating in I’m a jihadist, get me out of here.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 25, 2023
  • #248
She’s also done My Big Fat Jihadi Wedding.
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 25, 2023
  • #249
Sick Boy said:
I don’t think anyone on here as ever said that if she were to return she shouldn’t be in prison. She was born and radicalised in the UK, meaning she’s the UK’s problem. Plus I’m not sure countries should be allowed to revoke citizenship of someone born there if they’re entitled to citizenship.
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I wouldn't go as far as saying she should be in prison, the point is that our courts should decide whether or not she should be in prison, not some culture warrior Tory minister.

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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Oct 25, 2023
  • #250
fernandopartridge said:
I wouldn't go as far as saying she should be in prison, the point is that our courts should decide whether or not she should be in prison, not some culture warrior Tory minister.

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Yeah, don’t disagree, but it’s inevitable she’d spend some time inside.
 

AOM

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 25, 2023
  • #251
fernandopartridge said:
I wouldn't go as far as saying she should be in prison, the point is that our courts should decide whether or not she should be in prison, not some culture warrior Tory minister.

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Bushtucker trial it is then!
 
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rob9872

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 25, 2023
  • #252
Sick Boy said:
Yeah, don’t disagree, but it’s inevitable she’d spend some time inside.
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Probably segregated for her safety and re-radicalised. Lovely.
 

Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 7, 2024
  • #253



This can't be right and there must be a mistake.

I saw so many SM posts just before the election saying the minute Labour get into a power, she will walk straight back into Britain

Must be some mistake.
 
Last edited: Aug 7, 2024
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Nick

Administrator
  • Aug 7, 2024
  • #254
Hear me out.....
 
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rob9872

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 7, 2024
  • #255
Not saying it should have any bearing on the case, but she does look quite fit now so I'd be more inclined to let her back.
 
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MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 7, 2024
  • #256
rob9872 said:
Not saying it should have any bearing on the case, but she does look quite fit now so I'd be more inclined to let her back.
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All part of the image makeover.
 
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Macca1987

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 8, 2024
  • #257
rob9872 said:
Not saying it should have any bearing on the case, but she does look quite fit now so I'd be more inclined to let her back.
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Sorry but it's a no from me
 
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rob9872

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 8, 2024
  • #258
Macca1987 said:
Sorry but it's a no from me
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A few million more like that and she'll be begging me to snash her back doors in
 

TomRad85

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 8, 2024
  • #259
rob9872 said:
Not saying it should have any bearing on the case, but she does look quite fit now so I'd be more inclined to let her back.
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Just don't ask her to give you head

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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 18, 2024
  • #260
I do find this situation absurd.

Whatever Ms Begum has done she was born in Britain. It’s a dangerous precedent and entirely at odds with fairness. I’m not even sure what she has done would constitute much of a crime and even if it is she’s served time.

Starmer is essentially now better than the tories. His record at the CPS was highly dubious - and he has flip flopped on this issue (big surprise)

People talk about defending human rights of murderers and rapists but this is a national disgrace and our new government is exactly the same as the outgoing one.

Judges have refused to save Shamima Begum. Labour should bring her back to the UK to face justice | Maya Foa

Stripping her of her citizenship was a political act. Keir Starmer’s government can right that wrong, says Maya Foa, director of the human rights charity Reprieve
www.theguardian.com
 
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Otis

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 18, 2024
  • #261
Grendel said:
I do find this situation absurd.

Whatever Ms Begum has done she was born in Britain. It’s a dangerous precedent and entirely at odds with fairness. I’m not even sure what she has done would constitute much of a crime and even if it is she’s served time.

Starmer is essentially now better than the tories. His record at the CPS was highly dubious - and he has flip flopped on this issue (big surprise)

People talk about defending human rights of murderers and rapists but this is a national disgrace and our new government is exactly the same as the outgoing one.

Judges have refused to save Shamima Begum. Labour should bring her back to the UK to face justice | Maya Foa

Stripping her of her citizenship was a political act. Keir Starmer’s government can right that wrong, says Maya Foa, director of the human rights charity Reprieve
www.theguardian.com
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That's great isn't it, that Starmer is now better than the Tories

Keep it up, son.
 
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fatso

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 18, 2024
  • #262
Grendel said:
I do find this situation absurd.

Whatever Ms Begum has done she was born in Britain. It’s a dangerous precedent and entirely at odds with fairness. I’m not even sure what she has done would constitute much of a crime and even if it is she’s served time.

Starmer is essentially now better than the tories. His record at the CPS was highly dubious - and he has flip flopped on this issue (big surprise)

People talk about defending human rights of murderers and rapists but this is a national disgrace and our new government is exactly the same as the outgoing one.

Judges have refused to save Shamima Begum. Labour should bring her back to the UK to face justice | Maya Foa

Stripping her of her citizenship was a political act. Keir Starmer’s government can right that wrong, says Maya Foa, director of the human rights charity Reprieve
www.theguardian.com
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It's a totaly bizarre situation, how any one can deny another human their nationality is rediculous.

If she's committed a crime then let the courts deal with it, that's what they are there for.

From the limited info available it appears she was radicalised and trafficked to serve isis fighters. Nowhere does it suggest she was a combatant.

I have a nagging thought that there's actually very little evidence against her.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 18, 2024
  • #263
Otis said:
That's great isn't it, that Starmer is now better than the Tories

Keep it up, son.
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I get the joke but his record at the CPS was littered with the attitude of throwing uk citizens to the dogs - especially if the dog was from the US
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 18, 2024
  • #264
I think given time he'll rescind the decision or the courts will!
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 18, 2024
  • #265
Grendel said:
I get the joke but his record at the CPS was littered with the attitude of throwing uk citizens to the dogs - especially if the dog was from the US
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Well at least Asange is Safe after his year's in isolation,a win for good judgement ultimately, but!
I don't think he'll pander to them should Trump get in , which I increasingly don't unless Trump comes up with a gotcha moment!
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 18, 2024
  • #266
wingy said:
Well at least Asange is Safe after his year's in isolation,a win for good judgement ultimately, but!
I don't think he'll pander to them should Trump get in , which I increasingly don't unless Trump comes up with a gotcha moment!
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His treatment of Garry McKinnon was appalling as with those uk citizens locked up in G Bay without trial
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 18, 2024
  • #267
Grendel said:
His treatment of Garry McKinnon was appalling as with those uk citizens locked up in G Bay without trial
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Did McKinnon go in the end or was that a different case?
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 18, 2024
  • #268
wingy said:
Did McKinnon go in the end or was that a different case?
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Theresa May saved him.

Keir Starmer is a Long-Time Servant of the British Security State | Novara Media

Labour under Keir Starmer has taken a troubling flag-waving turn. But while his patriot act may in part be driven by political expediency, Starmer’s loyalty to the British security state has historically been strikingly consistent, writes Oliver Eagleton.
novaramedia.com
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Aug 19, 2024
  • #269
Grendel said:
I do find this situation absurd.

Whatever Ms Begum has done she was born in Britain. It’s a dangerous precedent and entirely at odds with fairness. I’m not even sure what she has done would constitute much of a crime and even if it is she’s served time.

Starmer is essentially now better than the tories. His record at the CPS was highly dubious - and he has flip flopped on this issue (big surprise)

People talk about defending human rights of murderers and rapists but this is a national disgrace and our new government is exactly the same as the outgoing one.

Judges have refused to save Shamima Begum. Labour should bring her back to the UK to face justice | Maya Foa

Stripping her of her citizenship was a political act. Keir Starmer’s government can right that wrong, says Maya Foa, director of the human rights charity Reprieve
www.theguardian.com
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What makes it even worse is that she was a child at the time she left the country and seems was groomed online. Revoking citizenship which was acquired through birth, allowing a country to wash its hands of problems is very dangerous.
 
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ccfc922

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 19, 2024
  • #270
Nick said:
Hear me out.....
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fatso

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 19, 2024
  • #271
MalcSB said:
All part of the image makeover.
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Where do you get one???


Asking for a friend!
 

ccfc922

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 19, 2024
  • #272
MalcSB said:
All part of the image makeover.
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100% it's look at how "western" I am now.

I do agree though it's dangerous that the citizenship has been revoked, especially being born here.

If she did come back though, can she be imprisoned here for something that's happened abroad in a country that's probably not got much going on in the way of a justice system atm?
 
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MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 19, 2024
  • #273
fatso said:
Where do you get one???


Asking for a friend!
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Obviously asking the wrong person.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 19, 2024
  • #274
ccfc922 said:
100% it's look at how "western" I am now.

I do agree though it's dangerous that the citizenship has been revoked, especially being born here.

If she did come back though, can she be imprisoned here for something that's happened abroad in a country that's probably not got much going on in the way of a justice system atm?
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She has essentially served a sentence

I highly doubt we could try her for anything. However, what can you actually do other than bring her back. She is British.

It cannot be correct that someone is not allowed any actual status for the rest of their life.
 
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Como

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 19, 2024
  • #275
Citizenship in Bangladesh is primarily acquired on the principle of ius sanguinis- subject to the Citizenship Act of 1951, a person born to at least one Bangladeshi parent shall be considered a Bangladeshi citizen.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Aug 19, 2024
  • #276
Como said:
Citizenship in Bangladesh is primarily acquired on the principle of ius sanguinis- subject to the Citizenship Act of 1951, a person born to at least one Bangladeshi parent shall be considered a Bangladeshi citizen.
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It still doesn’t mean she’s not British first and foremost. Just checked and she’s not got Bangladeshi citizenship so is effectively stateless.
 
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MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 19, 2024
  • #277
Grendel said:
She has essentially served a sentence
I highly doubt we could try her for anything. However, what can you actually do other than bring her back. She is British.

It cannot be correct that someone is not allowed any actual status for the rest of their life.
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Some victims of her pals of course ended up with the status of not having an actual head.
 
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MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 19, 2024
  • #278
Sick Boy said:
It still doesn’t mean she’s not British first and foremost. Just checked and she’s not got Bangladeshi citizenship so is effectively stateless.
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Has she applied for Bangladeshi citizenship? If she is entitled to it and hasn’t applied, her statelessness is her decision.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Aug 19, 2024
  • #279
MalcSB said:
Has she applied for Bangladeshi citizenship? If she is entitled to it and hasn’t applied, her statelessness is her decision.
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She’s not able to apply for it as she isn’t entitled to it now.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 19, 2024
  • #280
Wonder what the crossover is of people who think we should have nothing to do with Begum and people who think we should send criminals 'back to where they came from'
 
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