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'Series of hotels' to be built at Ricoh Arena (8 Viewers)

  • Thread starter Mo Konjic
  • Start date Feb 25, 2014
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Grendel

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  • Feb 26, 2014
  • #351
Astute said:
This is the same council that built the Ricoh.
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Same council with a projected budget defecit of £44 million - that council?
 
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The Gentleman

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 26, 2014
  • #352
torchomatic said:
I thought it came from Reserves.

Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk
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See! Even the Council has a bigger squad than we do.
 

Skyblueweeman

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 26, 2014
  • #353
One things for sure...once this sorry, sorry mess ever ends, us Sky Blue fans will be the most clued up on land ownership, hedge funds, club owneship webs, accountancy, account submissions, due dilligence, City Council workings etc etc.

I feel a new business venture coming on.....
 
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_brian_

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 26, 2014
  • #354
Hi guys! Anyone know if this new hotel will have Wifi?!?! Thanks in advance!
 

Skyblueweeman

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  • Feb 26, 2014
  • #355
_brian_ said:
Hi guys! Anyone know if this new hotel will have Wifi?!?! Thanks in advance!
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Free in the lounge Brian, chargeable in the bedrooms, £15 for 24 hrs
 

italiahorse

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 26, 2014
  • #356
Skyblueweeman said:
One things for sure...once this sorry, sorry mess ever ends, us Sky Blue fans will be the most clued up on land ownership, hedge funds, club owneship webs, accountancy, account submissions, due dilligence, City Council workings etc etc.

I feel a new business venture coming on.....
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Assuming we survive the stress, suicidal tendencies, marriage break ups and the enforced Saturday afternoon shopping assists.
 

lordsummerisle

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 26, 2014
  • #357
Skyblueweeman said:
Free in the lounge Brian, chargeable in the bedrooms, £15 for 24 hrs
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Hate it when hotels do that, then they get all arsey when you have a wank to You Porn in the bar area.

Can't win!
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 26, 2014
  • #358
lordsummerisle said:
Hate it when hotels do that, then they get all arsey when you have a wank to You Porn in the bar area.

Can't win!
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I know, it's political correctness gone mad!
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 26, 2014
  • #359
Grendel said:
Same council with a projected budget defecit of £44 million - that council?
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Probably
I am sure they all have similar
Projects will still happen though
 

Skyblueweeman

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 26, 2014
  • #360
lordsummerisle said:
Hate it when hotels do that, then they get all arsey when you have a wank to You Porn in the bar area.

Can't win!
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I might suggest to the big-wigs in my chain about 'private-booths' in the lounges.

Doing my bit for the community and all that....
 

lordsummerisle

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 26, 2014
  • #361
Skyblueweeman said:
I might suggest to the big-wigs in my chain about 'private-booths' in the lounges.

Doing my bit for the community and all that....
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Extra supllies of tissue paper might need to be oredered in before the start of that though.
 
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Houdi

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 26, 2014
  • #362
fernandopartridge said:
The council have borrowed the money commercially, the borrowing merely has to be 'affordable' and in line with CIPFA professional prudential code.
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That is how I understood it. The Council didn't take the money from current budgets or even its reserves, but was able to borrow the money at a lower interest rate than what ACL were having to pay, and they were able to pass those savings onto ACL. Provided ACL continue to make those repayments then the Council and local ratepayers won't lose out, and indeed should make a small profit. However if ACL did default on the repayments then the Council would be liable. Presumably ACL have been making these repayments for over a year now, and their next accounts should at least give an indication of their future outlook.
 

Captain Dart

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  • Feb 26, 2014
  • #363
shmmeee said:
What does that mean "from council funds"? I assume it didn't come out of the education budget.

Any news on where the money came from?
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Some sort of capital reserve fund i think.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11882578
 
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wingy

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  • Feb 26, 2014
  • #364
Grendel said:
Same council with a projected budget defecit of £44 million - that council?
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Isn't this the way all Countries and even Councils operate IE; They all run deficits
Isn't the Idea not just to Improve the prospects of the Ricoh to generate more business and jobs for itself. and. citizens but also to increase the rates take in the city
meaning less relfiance on central grant.
 
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DaleM

New Member
  • Feb 26, 2014
  • #365
Arrrrrrrrggggggggggghhhhhhhh

Im hoping the next 37 page thread (up to now) can be about something different . Like particle physics . I think that could be more educational chaps. What do you reckon ? ;-)
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 26, 2014
  • #366
Houdi said:
That is how I understood it. The Council didn't take the money from current budgets or even its reserves, but was able to borrow the money at a lower interest rate than what ACL were having to pay, and they were able to pass those savings onto ACL. Provided ACL continue to make those repayments then the Council and local ratepayers won't lose out, and indeed should make a small profit. However if ACL did default on the repayments then the Council would be liable. Presumably ACL have been making these repayments for over a year now, and their next accounts should at least give an indication of their future outlook.
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Cheers - somebody understands that the council are on the hook for the money if ACL don't repay!
 

lordsummerisle

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 26, 2014
  • #367
fernandopartridge said:
Cheers - somebody understands that the council are on the hook for the money if ACL don't repay!
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Some seem to think that it came from magic beans or something..
 

Skyblueweeman

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 26, 2014
  • #368
lordsummerisle said:
Extra supllies of tissue paper might need to be oredered in before the start of that though.
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Ohhh....additional overheads on top of 'booth-build' costs. I think you might have to remain 'public' Lord with your self-love sessions. I can get sign off on the booths...the tissue supply you would need would push budgets over my limit I'm afraid.

Sorry chief. Happy play-time though!
 

lordsummerisle

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 26, 2014
  • #369
Skyblueweeman said:
Ohhh....additional overheads on top of 'booth-build' costs. I think you might have to remain 'public' Lord with your self-love sessions. I can get sign off on the booths...the tissue supply you would need would push budgets over my limit I'm afraid.

Sorry chief. Happy play-time though!
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My keep fit regime working a treat now, been using the Jane Fonda video.

Got a right arm like Arnold Scwarzenegger.
 
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_brian_

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  • Feb 26, 2014
  • #370
lordsummerisle said:
My keep fit regime working a treat now, been using the Jane Fonda video.

Got a right arm like Arnold Scwarzenegger.
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Better than using an Arnold Schwarzenegger video* and having an arm like Jane Fonda!!! LOL!

(*I've never knowingly masterbated to an Arnold Schwarzenegger video.)
 

lordsummerisle

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  • Feb 26, 2014
  • #371
_brian_ said:
Better than using an Arnold Schwarzenegger video* and having an arm like Jane Fonda!!! LOL!

(*I've never knowingly masterbated to an Arnold Schwarzenegger video.)
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It's the "knowingly" that gets me there _brian_

I think I might actually love you.
 

Astute

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  • Feb 26, 2014
  • #372
fernandopartridge said:
Cheers - somebody understands that the council are on the hook for the money if ACL don't repay!
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The thing is we keep seeing these sort of comments made without the slightest bit of evidence that payments can't be afforded. We also know that we are in Northampton for one reason only.....to try and send ACL to the wall. Shall we wait until the accounts are shown before we keep saying that the taxpayer will lose out?

And then wait for certain posters to make comments about that years accounts not being realistic because of certain events ACL's accounts have shown the arena to be a going concern each year so far. And each year they make more money as they build up the business. And this will be good for our club once we have an owner that don't want to rip off the taxpayer, CCC, a charity or anyone else that stands in the way of so called investors making a fortune.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 26, 2014
  • #373
And we see countless threads and posts along the lines of "they've pocketed the Clarke money", "we will be relegated", etc etc. Again without any evidence.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 26, 2014
  • #374
Astute said:
The thing is we keep seeing these sort of comments made without the slightest bit of evidence that payments can't be afforded. We also know that we are in Northampton for one reason only.....to try and send ACL to the wall. Shall we wait until the accounts are shown before we keep saying that the taxpayer will lose out?

And then wait for certain posters to make comments about that years accounts not being realistic because of certain events ACL's accounts have shown the arena to be a going concern each year so far. And each year they make more money as they build up the business. And this will be good for our club once we have an owner that don't want to rip off the taxpayer, CCC, a charity or anyone else that stands in the way of so called investors making a fortune.
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I suppose seine who leased some land to a retail franchise like Jessops said the same thing a few years ago.

£44 million could soon be £56 million deficit overnight. Still its only public services and the vunerable who'd suffer it if goes belly up so who cares?
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 26, 2014
  • #375
fernandopartridge said:
Cheers - somebody understands that the council are on the hook for the money if ACL don't repay!
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Be great if you could close the loop and add that ACL are less liable to repay if the football club don't pay ACL. Just in the interests of balance, you know....
 

lordsummerisle

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  • Feb 26, 2014
  • #376
Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
Be great if you could close the loop and add that ACL are less liable to repay if the football club don't pay ACL. Just in the interests of balance, you know....
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Are you suggesting that ACL can't survive without the football club?

Heretic!
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 26, 2014
  • #377
Grendel said:
I suppose seine who leased some land to a retail franchise like Jessops said the same thing a few years ago.

£44 million could soon be £56 million deficit overnight. Still its only public services and the vunerable who'd suffer it if goes belly up so who cares?
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Do you know how council budgets work?
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 26, 2014
  • #378
Thank God you quoted before the editing started.

lordsummerisle said:
Are you suggesting that ACL can't survive without the football club?

Heretic!
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 26, 2014
  • #379
lordsummerisle said:
Are you suggesting that ACL can't survive without the football club?

Heretic!
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Honest question on timings: had City said they're building a new ground when this deal was done? Just wondering if the plan for restructuring ACL took no CCFC into account.
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 26, 2014
  • #380
lordsummerisle said:
Are you suggesting that ACL can't survive without the football club?

Heretic!
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Nope. Read the words 'less liable' and see how that sits with 'can't survive'; then realise they're quite different
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 26, 2014
  • #381
shmmeee said:
Do you know how council budgets work?
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So are you saying if ACL failed to pay the loan there is zero impact on the council budget?
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 26, 2014
  • #382
Grendel said:
So are you saying if ACL failed to pay the loan there is zero impact on the council budget?
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Hello mr strawman, how you doing?

I can suggest some great adult literacy classes if you're having trouble with your reading.

I'm saying that just because the council loses money in one place doesn't mean it has to cut elsewhere. Bad debt will be a risk factored in I'm sure, just like the many other variables.

It's not all one pot.
 

lordsummerisle

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 26, 2014
  • #383
shmmeee said:
Honest question on timings: had City said they're building a new ground when this deal was done? Just wondering if the plan for restructuring ACL took no CCFC into account.
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They weren't paying rent at the time, nor looking likely to either at the time of the deal.

Would expect that the loan was taken out on the basis of not having CCFC as a permanent tenant, or would at least hope so.
 

lordsummerisle

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 26, 2014
  • #384
Mary_Mungo_Midge said:
Nope. Read the words 'less liable' and see how that sits with 'can't survive'; then realise they're quite different
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Would be a bit daft taking out the loan if relying on a club that wasn't paying any rent or looking like it intended to do so to make it "less liable" to repay it then?

Certainly a risk for the organisation making the loan.

I think that it would have been factored in though.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 26, 2014
  • #385
shmmeee said:
Hello mr strawman, how you doing?

I can suggest some great adult literacy classes if you're having trouble with your reading.

I'm saying that just because the council loses money in one place doesn't mean it has to cut elsewhere. Bad debt will be a risk factored in I'm sure, just like the many other variables.

It's not all one pot.
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Oh no I can read and I can see some spinning by the biggest council troll on this forum (quite an achievement actually)

So the council's who got burnt with the Iceland Bank investment a few years were fine. Not one other budget in any of these councils was affected as a consequence? You are 100% certain not one service would be at all impacted if the loan was not paid?
 
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