Non AMP
Sky Blues Talk
  • Home
  • Forums
  • General Discussion
  • Off Topic Chat
This is a mobile optimized page that loads fast, if you want to load the real page, click this text.

Second referendum : am I missing something ? (1 Viewer)

  • Thread starter Alan Dugdales Moustache
  • Start date Sep 17, 2018
Forums New posts
Prev
  • 1
  • …
  • 11
  • 12
  • 13
  • 14
  • 15
Next
First Prev 13 of 15 Next Last
S

SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2018
  • #421
skybluetony176 said:
I’m sure. But it’s still another percentage to add into the equation. I doubt German car makers are making 100% profit on cars sold into the U.K.
Click to expand...
I bet it isn't far off

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2018
  • #422
SkyblueBazza said:
Lol...you guys really do get off on belittling the UK don't you?

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
Click to expand...

The point is that most of the uk have no interest either. It’s happening and that’s that
 
Reactions: SkyblueBazza

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2018
  • #423
SkyblueBazza said:
I bet it isn't far off

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
Click to expand...

The way the uk finance purchases mainly offsets material cost. Conversely uk manufactured vehicles into Europe deliver very poor margins
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 21, 2018
  • #424
SkyblueBazza said:
Lol...you guys really do get off on belittling the UK don't you?

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
Click to expand...

Nah, not really. Just pointing out what's going on in foreign media.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2018
  • #425
SkyblueBazza said:
I bet it isn't far off

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
Click to expand...

I think you’re confusing mark up with profit if you think it isn’t far of.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2018
  • #426
Astute said:
So if Germany lost about 36 billions worth of exports to the UK in cars alone it would mean nothing?

Of course Tony.
Click to expand...

Again with the putting words in people’s mouths. I stated quite deliberately it would hurt. You also seem to be assuming that no deal would mean Germany would have to stop selling cars into the U.K. overnight. No doubt I it would effect sales but it won’t drop to zero so Germany won’t lose £36B in car sales alone they will lose a percentage of that amount. Maybe you should look percentage up in the dictionary.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2018
  • #427
Astute said:
The value of German exports to the UK in 2016 was $94,075,870,670. I suppose that will easily be replaced.
Click to expand...

Again. A percentage. We’re not shutting the border to German products we’ll be applying a tariff that some will be willing to pay when purchasing German goods and others won’t. It’s not a trade embargo it’s WTO terms. Distinct difference.

Or do you think we’re going to lose £274B of exports overnight?
 
Reactions: martcov

Captain Dart

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2018
  • #428

Everything you might want to know about the UK's trade with the EU
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2018
  • #429
AVWskyblue said:
Germany would still take a direct hit by not selling a fifth of its cars to us, the EU doesn't manufacture the cars Germany does

Sent from my 5010X using Tapatalk
Click to expand...

It’s WTO terms not a trade embargo. They’ll still be selling cars here. Maybe not as many but people will still be buying them.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2018
  • #430
Astute said:
1 in 7 made come here. 20% of cars exported come here.

Not hard if you try to get the truth out what you read.
Click to expand...

You said 1 in 5 earlier. And you’ve misunderstood the question anyway.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2018
  • #431
skybluetony176 said:
You said 1 in 5 earlier. And you’ve misunderstood the question anyway.
Click to expand...

Are the Eu and the EEC different beasts Tony?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2018
  • #432
skybluetony176 said:
You said 1 in 5 earlier. And you’ve misunderstood the question anyway.
Click to expand...
You call me an idiot and then tell me 20% isn't 1 in 5 :smuggrin:
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2018
  • #433
Astute said:
You call me an idiot and then tell me 20% isn't 1 in 5 :smuggrin:
Click to expand...

1 in 7 isn’t 20% I’ll tell you what much.
 
Reactions: martcov

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2018
  • #434
skybluetony176 said:
1 in 7 isn’t 20% I’ll tell you what much.
Click to expand...
Of course it isn't.

We buy 1 in every 7 cars they make in Germany.

Just what I said.

We buy 20% of of all cars they export from Germany.

Just what I said.

Now for the idiots. The rest of them are bought by Germans.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2018
  • #435
skybluetony176 said:
1 in 7 isn’t 20% I’ll tell you what much.
Click to expand...

Some German cars aren’t made in Germany Tony
 
S

SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2018
  • #436
skybluetony176 said:
I think you’re confusing mark up with profit if you think it isn’t far of.
Click to expand...
I was being tongue in cheek.

However, we certainly cannot trust German car makers' - from emissions to development schedules...so why should we trust their accounts?

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
 
Reactions: Captain Dart
S

SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2018
  • #437
skybluetony176 said:
It’s WTO terms not a trade embargo. They’ll still be selling cars here. Maybe not as many but people will still be buying them.
Click to expand...
That is an assumption. Post Brexit, dependent upon the final deal...there might be a backlash against EU manufactured goods for all we know. It is all very much unknown

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
 
Reactions: Astute
G

Grappa

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2018
  • #438
What's the problem with a second referendum? If the will of the people is so strong surely it will pass a second test?
 
S

SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 21, 2018
  • #439
Grappa said:
What's the problem with a second referendum? If the will of the people is so strong surely it will pass a second test?
Click to expand...
The problem is that people, I suspect such as yourself, only want one because you feel it would result in us remaining. However, many remain supoorters felt similarly confident thanks to the opinion polls before the last referendum...so be careful what you wish for.

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
 
G

Grappa

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 22, 2018
  • #440
SkyblueBazza said:
The problem is that people, I suspect such as yourself, only want one because you feel it would result in us remaining. However, many remain supoorters felt similarly confident thanks to the opinion polls before the last referendum...so be careful what you wish for.

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Then don't worry about it. Advocate for a second referendum. Put all these remoaners in their place.
 
Reactions: martcov, Deleted member 5849, skybluetony176 and 1 other person
S

SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 22, 2018
  • #441
Grappa said:
Then don't worry about it. Advocate for a second referendum. Put all these remoaners in their place.
Click to expand...
Why waste time? The Brexiteers would no doubt find a good reason, & get support to hold a third.

What you have to accept is that the majority of eligible voters don't care enough to bother voting. Those that did have had their say

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
 
Last edited: Sep 22, 2018

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 22, 2018
  • #442
Astute said:
Like I said easy to replace

Overall we are the 3rd largest export destination for Germany. And we don't even rank for their imports.

So who has the most to lose?

Germany: Trade Statistics
Click to expand...

we do, because even though they sell around 65 - 70 million more to us than we export to them their loss will be spread around 27 countries. But as I agreed with you, this will hurt everyone.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 22, 2018
  • #443
SkyblueBazza said:
What you have to accept is that the majority of eligible voters don't care enough to bother voting. Those that did have had their say
Click to expand...

The majority of eligible voters didn't vote in the referendum? What are you going on about now?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 22, 2018
  • #444
clint van damme said:
we do, because even though they sell around 65 - 70 million more to us than we export to them their loss will be spread around 27 countries. But as I agreed with you, this will hurt everyone.
Click to expand...
Billions not millions.

If there are jobs lost here there will be jobs lost all over the EU. Germany will be hit hard. And that is after having to put billions more in each year to the EU.

Spain would be hit much harder. They are not doing well. And they run a massive surplus with us.

This is why I have said all along that I can see a deal being struck. It isn't just for the benefit of the UK. Nearly every country in the EU is a net exporter to the UK. So how happy do you think they will be if the EU carries on as they are?
 
S

SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 22, 2018
  • #445
Sick Boy said:
The majority of eligible voters didn't vote in the referendum? What are you going on about now?
Click to expand...
You know full well what my point was because it has been made many times. The majority of eligible voters voted to leave or were not bothered enough to vote at all.

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 22, 2018
  • #446
Grappa said:
What's the problem with a second referendum? If the will of the people is so strong surely it will pass a second test?
Click to expand...
The most recent most recognised polls have said that we want it to carry on as it is or aim for a softer Brexit. A very low % want another referendum.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 22, 2018
  • #447
SkyblueBazza said:
You know full well what my point was because it has been made many times. The majority of eligible voters voted to leave or were not bothered enough to vote at all.

Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
Click to expand...

It was the 2nd highest electoral turnout, you claimed a majority didn't bother to vote.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 22, 2018
  • #448
Astute said:
The most recent most recognised polls have said that we want it to carry on as it is or aim for a softer Brexit. A very low % want another referendum.
Click to expand...

Not long ago you were claiming that polls were not an accurate measurement but now that they agree with your own point of view, they are?
 
Reactions: martcov

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 22, 2018
  • #449
Sick Boy said:
Not long ago you were claiming that polls were not an accurate measurement but now that they agree with your own point of view, they are?
Click to expand...
Were they accurate in saying we would vote remain?

It was pointed out here that YouGov said that the majority wanted another referendum. That was also false.

Polls can only give an estimate. But when the majority is large and the minority is very small like for another referendum it gives a much better idea than a nobody on SBT saying that the majority wants another referendum. It was 14% IIRC.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 22, 2018
  • #450
Sick Boy said:
It was the 2nd highest electoral turnout, you claimed a majority didn't bother to vote.
Click to expand...
Yes. The second highest ever turnout where nearly 2m more people voted leave than remain.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 22, 2018
  • #451
Astute said:
Yes. The second highest ever turnout where nearly 2m more people voted leave than remain.
Click to expand...

People are allowed to change their minds in a democracy, otherwise we'd only ever have one election and stick with that political party. I'm sure if it had been the other way around you'd be going about how close it was and that it wasn't a large enough majority etc etc.

As I've said before, I think that either way it is going to cause problems and the country is going to be fractured and divided for ever such a long time still. I honestly don't know how it could be repaired any time soon.
 

Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 22, 2018
  • #452
Still don’t see why remain think they can turn around 700k - 800k votes just to get it back to 50/50 , 2 whole cities the size of Coventry changing their mind .
Pure fantasy
 
Reactions: Captain Dart

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 22, 2018
  • #453
Sick Boy said:
People are allowed to change their minds in a democracy, otherwise we'd only ever have one election and stick with that political party. I'm sure if it had been the other way around you'd be going about how close it was and that it wasn't a large enough majority etc etc.

As I've said before, I think that either way it is going to cause problems and the country is going to be fractured and divided for ever such a long time still. I honestly don't know how it could be repaired any time soon.
Click to expand...

Polls have consistently shown only 30% want another vote on the issue

How can any government offer something only a minority are craving for?
 

Covstu

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 22, 2018
  • #454
I voted remain but cannot understand this ‘oh fuck we got it wrong so can we try again’ approach. Yes people can change their minds through the course of time but not such a short time after. The country voted and leave won, I accept that (don’t like it but accept it).

Sounds like buyers remorse without a receipt at the moment
 
Reactions: Astute, SkyblueBazza and Evo1883

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 22, 2018
  • #455
Grendel said:
Polls have consistently shown only 30% want another vote on the issue

How can any government offer something only a minority are craving for?
Click to expand...

As I said, polls only seem to be accurate when it backs someone's own opinions on here.
IMO, some kind of vote on the final deal/a GE is going to become inevitable. Especially as we were told that the chances of a no deal were minimal and negotiations would be simple; there is minimal support for a no deal.
 
Prev
  • 1
  • …
  • 11
  • 12
  • 13
  • 14
  • 15
Next
First Prev 13 of 15 Next Last
You must log in or register to reply here.

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 2 (members: 0, guests: 2)
Share:
Facebook Twitter Reddit Pinterest Tumblr WhatsApp Email
  • Home
  • Forums
  • General Discussion
  • Off Topic Chat
  • Default Style
  • Contact us
  • Terms and rules
  • Privacy policy
  • Help
  • Home
Community platform by XenForo® © 2010-2021 XenForo Ltd.
Menu
Log in

Register

  • Home
  • Forums
    • New posts
    • Search forums
  • What's new
    • New posts
    • Latest activity
  • Members
    • Current visitors
  • Donate to the Season Ticket Fund
X

Privacy & Transparency

We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

  • Personalized ads and content
  • Content measurement and audience insights

Do you accept cookies and these technologies?

X

Privacy & Transparency

We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

  • Personalized ads and content
  • Content measurement and audience insights

Do you accept cookies and these technologies?