Who's Bannon and what's he/she said ?
There is not a single way you can twist the idea of a second referendum without it being an insult to democracy.
There is not a single way you can twist the idea of a second referendum without it being an insult to democracy.
I’m more concerned about the amount of leavers that want their country to fail .
Unbelievable
Corrected that for you. Brexit fundamentalists is what I believe Vince Cable is going to describe them as later. Which made me smile anyway.
I’m more concerned about the amount of remainers that want their country to fail .
Unbelievable
would not support 2nd referendum on Brexit would support vote on terms of deal. Quite clear there is no consensus on what Brexit means despite the empty rhetoric of Brexit means Brexit.
I have been keeping out of these threads but have been trying to understand what leaving without a deal will mean and how we will get on under WTO rules. I can't find anything that suggests we're not absolutely fucked.
Still think it's the lesser of two evils rather than overturn the result of the referendum.
It’s impossible to actually have a vote on the terms of the deal
The way I see it, it would either be accepting Chequers or leaving without a deal. As we've already discussed it won't even get through parliament.
I’m more concerned about the amount of remainers that want their country to fail .
Unbelievable
Whether we're fecked or not, I really want to see it through to it's conclusion, simply on the basis of all the scaremongering that's taken place, particularly over the past couple of weeks about this will happen, that will happen, house prices will fall, etc etc. They may be right, but it's not helpful and certainly without any foundation.
The anti Brexit argument was largely based on it being the unknown and we don't know what we're getting so why risk it and stick with what we have. Now all of a sudden everyone is an expert and the world will implode. Well it didn't the day after the result and it hasn't in the period since.
If the option was remain (even close) does anyone think Brexiteers would still be vocal and would still be pushing for another vote or more accepting of a democratic decision? Surely the best deal for all would be if you can't change it to embrace it and try to make it work as best as possible rather than wanting it to fail for an "I told you so" moment.
I don't understand the protests either and they're certainly unhelpful. Attended largely by the great unwashed, marginalised communities, students and the hard left. All it does is cost money to police and triggers a few racist idiots who the tabloids use for a soundbyte.
How naive? Farage declared that 52:48 in favour of remain would mean „work to be done“. The first vote was convincingly for remain. Didn’t stop people wingeing over everything from fruit quality standards to tail lifts on trucks for over 40 years.
The last time I checked Farage had not been elected as an MP and had no say or bearing on it. He could spout as much hot air as he wanted but only to try and appear relevant. Whether you believe it or not, the vast majority of the leave vote are not hard right racists, Farage supporters, Trump endorsers or were swayed by the £350m NHS bus and would vote exactly the same way if a 2nd referendum was imposed on us. I, like many others, did it because I think it's the most beneficial thing for the long term future of our country. I may be wrong, but like 17m others I'm entitled to believe that and the protesting remainers should respect my right to believe in it.How naive? Farage declared that 52:48 in favour of remain would mean „work to be done“. The first vote was convincingly for remain. Didn’t stop people wingeing over everything from fruit quality standards to tail lifts on trucks for over 40 years.
You can never have too many Brexit threads!Shouldn't all this be in the EU thread?
Puzzled as to why we have started a new thread on the same topic that's been discussed for months now.
The last time I checked Farage had not been elected as an MP and had no say or bearing on it. He could spout as much hot air as he wanted but only to try and appear relevant. Whether you believe it or not, the vast majority of the leave vote are not hard right racists, Farage supporters, Trump endorsers or were swayed by the £350m NHS bus and would vote exactly the same way if a 2nd referendum was imposed on us. I, like many others, did it because I think it's the most beneficial thing for the long term future of our country. I may be wrong, but like 17m others I'm entitled to believe that and the protesting remainers should respect my right to believe in it.
The last time I checked Farage had not been elected as an MP and had no say or bearing on it. He could spout as much hot air as he wanted but only to try and appear relevant. Whether you believe it or not, the vast majority of the leave vote are not hard right racists, Farage supporters, Trump endorsers or were swayed by the £350m NHS bus and would vote exactly the same way if a 2nd referendum was imposed on us. I, like many others, did it because I think it's the most beneficial thing for the long term future of our country. I may be wrong, but like 17m others I'm entitled to believe that and the protesting remainers should respect my right to believe in it.
why do you think it's beneficial?
I do respect their right not to believe in it, but not to disrespect the democratic decision and try to overturn the result.Surely you should then respect the right of people to not believe in it?
Farage was never an MP but it didn’t stop him being about the most influential Brexiter going.
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We put more in than we take out, therefore we are spending money to be part of something that then imposes rules and taxes on us beyond our control and beyond any power that we can vote for. Forget the £350m NHS and the rights and wrongs of it, but surely that money, even if you believe the lower value can be put into our services including the NHS but also schools, policing and other public services. I do understand the scepticism, but we traded with Europe long before the common market and if we have something of value to them, that will continue, similarly we'll still all buy German cars and they will want us to, so I cant see why that should change and what benefits there would be to either side on the threatened taxes imposed?
Finally and fundamentally, the dirty word that everyone is too scared to say - immigration. Now this isn't a block, immigration is good and that's been proved over many years, but we should have the right and ability to say no and also the right to say how many. We simply can't sustain the levels that it's been at in recent years.
What should've happened was the EU come to us pre-Brexit with a much better deal and all this could have been avoided, but they called our bluff, it back-fired and I'll bet they regret it. They undoubtedly will want to punish that decision to prevent others following suit (although there will be unrest when other states have to cough up for our shortfall). In the short term there may be some pain, but long term I believe having control can only make us stronger.
As I say, I may be wrong, but I'm willing to try and want it to succeed.
Never say never, one step at a time.I'm willing City to get to the final of the Champions league but it's not going to happen.
I do respect their right not to believe in it, but not to disrespect the democratic decision and try to overturn the result.
We put more in than we take out, therefore we are spending money to be part of something that then imposes rules and taxes on us beyond our control and beyond any power that we can vote for. Forget the £350m NHS and the rights and wrongs of it, but surely that money, even if you believe the lower value can be put into our services including the NHS but also schools, policing and other public services. I do understand the scepticism, but we traded with Europe long before the common market and if we have something of value to them, that will continue, similarly we'll still all buy German cars and they will want us to, so I cant see why that should change and what benefits there would be to either side on the threatened taxes imposed?
Finally and fundamentally, the dirty word that everyone is too scared to say - immigration. Now this isn't a block, immigration is good and that's been proved over many years, but we should have the right and ability to say no and also the right to say how many. We simply can't sustain the levels that it's been at in recent years.
What should've happened was the EU come to us pre-Brexit with a much better deal and all this could have been avoided, but they called our bluff, it back-fired and I'll bet they regret it. They undoubtedly will want to punish that decision to prevent others following suit (although there will be unrest when other states have to cough up for our shortfall). In the short term there may be some pain, but long term I believe having control can only make us stronger.
As I say, I may be wrong, but I'm willing to try and want it to succeed.
It’s not likes they’re trying to overturn it in an underhand way. It’s by getting more information out there and having another democratic vote. That’s literally democracy in action. If after we leave things go down hill when can we have another vote? 1 year, 5 years, 10 years?
People have been moaning about the EU for years, largely based on half truths and nonsense about the shape of bananas, why can’t we moan about leaving when it’s been a largely successful relationship and leaving could cause a downturn in our economy?
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We put more in than we take out, therefore we are spending money to be part of something that then imposes rules and taxes on us beyond our control and beyond any power that we can vote for. Forget the £350m NHS and the rights and wrongs of it, but surely that money, even if you believe the lower value can be put into our services including the NHS but also schools, policing and other public services. I do understand the scepticism, but we traded with Europe long before the common market and if we have something of value to them, that will continue, similarly we'll still all buy German cars and they will want us to, so I cant see why that should change and what benefits there would be to either side on the threatened taxes imposed?
Finally and fundamentally, the dirty word that everyone is too scared to say - immigration. Now this isn't a block, immigration is good and that's been proved over many years, but we should have the right and ability to say no and also the right to say how many. We simply can't sustain the levels that it's been at in recent years.
What should've happened was the EU come to us pre-Brexit with a much better deal and all this could have been avoided, but they called our bluff, it back-fired and I'll bet they regret it. They undoubtedly will want to punish that decision to prevent others following suit (although there will be unrest when other states have to cough up for our shortfall). In the short term there may be some pain, but long term I believe having control can only make us stronger.
As I say, I may be wrong, but I'm willing to try and want it to succeed.
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