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MalcSB

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  • Mar 25, 2024
  • #141
It’s just a good job Sisu never delivered their new stadium
 
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Captain_Slackbladder

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  • Mar 25, 2024
  • #142
MalcSB said:
It’s just a good job Sisu never delivered their new stadium
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Is that now not happening? I was liking the idea if a ground by Kenilworth
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Mar 25, 2024
  • #143
I don't think there should be a minimum stadium capacity but I do think there should be a minimum away allocation in absolute terms.

Say (pulling a figure out of my arse) you have to allocate a minimum of 3k for away fans then Bournemouth would have to give 30% of their ground for away fans and develop further to allow for more home fans.
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Mar 25, 2024
  • #144
MalcSB said:
I haven’t said that our current stadium is too small, I said 25,000 would be too small when you said 30,000 is too big!
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There’s isn't much disagreement here, is there? Historically, 25,000 would’ve suited us perfectly which is why the decision to leave HR in the first place wasn’t really necessary. Now we are knocking on the door of the Premiership as a successful Championship side, we’re beginning to tap into the potential identified when the Arena project was envisaged in the 90s. In a way, we’re both right. Is that fair?
 
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MalcSB

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  • Mar 25, 2024
  • #145
Mucca Mad Boys said:
There’s isn't much disagreement here, is there? Historically, 25,000 would’ve suited us perfectly which is why the decision to leave HR in the first place wasn’t really necessary. Now we are knocking on the door of the Premiership as a successful Championship side, we’re beginning to tap into the potential identified when the Arena project was envisaged in the 90s. In a way, we’re both right. Is that fair?
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Yep, that’s a fair comment.
 

shmmeee

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  • Mar 25, 2024
  • #146
Mucca Mad Boys said:
There’s isn't much disagreement here, is there? Historically, 25,000 would’ve suited us perfectly which is why the decision to leave HR in the first place wasn’t really necessary. Now we are knocking on the door of the Premiership as a successful Championship side, we’re beginning to tap into the potential identified when the Arena project was envisaged in the 90s. In a way, we’re both right. Is that fair?
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If we’d stayed in the Prem or even the Championship the 24k at HR wouldn’t have been close to enough.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Mar 25, 2024
  • #147
MalcSB said:
It’s just a good job Sisu never delivered their new stadium
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Would've made an acceptable stadium for the academy and U21's...
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Mar 26, 2024
  • #148
shmmeee said:
If we’d stayed in the Prem or even the Championship the 24k at HR wouldn’t have been close to enough.
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Why do you say that? Our highest average attendance in the Prem years was sub 21k. We’re we selling out of STs every year with a waiting list then?

I’m glad we’ve got a facility that is Premiership quality as that is our current trajectory. That said, my early experiences of the RICOH was it being depressingly half empty most of the time and teams singing ‘your grounds too big for you’. At least now we get ‘where were you when you were shit?!’

I never had the privilege of going to Premier League match as a Cov fan.
 

shmmeee

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  • Mar 26, 2024
  • #149
Mucca Mad Boys said:
Why do you say that? Our highest average attendance in the Prem years was sub 21k. We’re we selling out of STs every year with a waiting list then?

I’m glad we’ve got a facility that is Premiership quality as that is our current trajectory. That said, my early experiences of the RICOH was it being depressingly half empty most of the time and teams singing ‘your grounds too big for you’. At least now we get ‘where were you when you were shit?!’

I never had the privilege of going to Premier League match as a Cov fan.
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You’re comparing apples to oranges. 21k is 85% full in an era with lower crowds across the sport, during one of the worst periods of the clubs history.
 
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bigfatronssba

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  • Mar 26, 2024
  • #150
Mucca Mad Boys said:
Why do you say that? Our highest average attendance in the Prem years was sub 21k. We’re we selling out of STs every year with a waiting list then?

I’m glad we’ve got a facility that is Premiership quality as that is our current trajectory. That said, my early experiences of the RICOH was it being depressingly half empty most of the time and teams singing ‘your grounds too big for you’. At least now we get ‘where were you when you were shit?!’

I never had the privilege of going to Premier League match as a Cov fan.
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In the season we had our highest PL average (just under 21k) Tottenham had an average of 34k.

So why did Tottenham feel the need to build a new 60k stadium?
 
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Nick

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  • Mar 26, 2024
  • #151
bigfatronssba said:
In the season we had our highest PL average (just under 21k) Tottenham had an average of 34k.

So why did Tottenham feel the need to build a new 60k stadium?
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They wanted pints that filled up from the bottom!
 
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Flying Fokker

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  • Mar 26, 2024
  • #152
shmmeee said:
If we’d stayed in the Prem or even the Championship the 24k at HR wouldn’t have been close to enough.
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Never a big club?
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Mar 26, 2024
  • #153
bigfatronssba said:
In the season we had our highest PL average (just under 21k) Tottenham had an average of 34k.

So why did Tottenham feel the need to build a new 60k stadium?
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They were selling out 95% of the capacity of their stadium for the next 15 seasons. If we averaged 30-31,000+ attendances in the next 15 years then there’d be a reasonable argument to expand.
 
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wingy

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  • Mar 26, 2024
  • #154
Do as the Victorian's did build for the future not a finite limit by calculus?
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 26, 2024
  • #155
bigfatronssba said:
In the season we had our highest PL average (just under 21k) Tottenham had an average of 34k.

So why did Tottenham feel the need to build a new 60k stadium?
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Tottenham is in one of the most visited cities in the world, it's fair to say they are looking to exploit that as much as provide tickets for demand from Tottenham fans.
 
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thekidfromstrettoncamp

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  • Mar 26, 2024
  • #156
fernandopartridge said:
Tottenham is in one of the most visited cities in the world, it's fair to say they are looking to exploit that as much as provide tickets for demand from Tottenham fans.
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I turn my back and someone made it a city.I know what you mean about fans visiting London from all over the world. Why not get them along to the stadium buy some souvenirs and shirts, watch a game or 2.Their average attendance in 2000 was 35,000 now 61,000 +.
Wait till our fame has spread to every country in the world won't be long the way were going about it.
Then we can build our new ground or extend our current 1 over the railway line.
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Mar 26, 2024
  • #157
fernandopartridge said:
Tottenham is in one of the most visited cities in the world, it's fair to say they are looking to exploit that as much as provide tickets for demand from Tottenham fans.
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Tottenham is the fag end of London.
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Mar 26, 2024
  • #158
bigfatronssba said:
Sorry but it’s not 1993 anymore.

We would do what 99.9% of all PL clubs do, and that is sell out every single game.


I’m not sure why people think the CBS was built in the first place, do they think the club just did it for a laugh?

It was built because in the late 90s HR had become a barrier to growth.

In terms of statue we’re a club that should aspire to be a PL team, but also recognise that we’re not out of place in the Championship. For that 32k is an ideal capacity
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We will rarely sell out 32k in the championship.
 

Hiraeth

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  • Mar 26, 2024
  • #159
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
We will rarely sell out 32k in the championship.
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I think it depends on the pricing and level of success, it's the kind of goal which would be a stretch but if we continue to be ambitious and successful in the Championship, why not over time?

If you'd told me when there were 375 of us watching Max Biamou's hat trick that within five years we'd be regularly getting the 25k attendances that Adi Viveash referred to in April 2020, I'd have thought you were on drugs and yet here we are.

 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 27, 2024
  • #160
Hiraeth said:
I think it depends on the pricing and level of success, it's the kind of goal which would be a stretch but if we continue to be ambitious and successful in the Championship, why not over time?

If you'd told me when there were 375 of us watching Max Biamou's hat trick that within five years we'd be regularly getting the 25k attendances that Adi Viveash referred to in April 2020, I'd have thought you were on drugs and yet here we are.

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Prophetic
 

bigfatronssba

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  • Mar 27, 2024
  • #161
Mucca Mad Boys said:
They were selling out 95% of the capacity of their stadium for the next 15 seasons. If we averaged 30-31,000+ attendances in the next 15 years then there’d be a reasonable argument to expand.
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We were selling out 95% of our capacity in the last few years of the PL, and would've continued to do so had we not been relegated
 

bigfatronssba

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  • Mar 27, 2024
  • #162
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
We will rarely sell out 32k in the championship.
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The aim isn't to be in the Championship
 

M&B Stand

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  • Mar 27, 2024
  • #163
They need to start utilising as many of the 32600 seats that we already have before thinking about anything else.
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Mar 27, 2024
  • #164
bigfatronssba said:
The aim isn't to be in the Championship
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bigfatronssba said:
We were selling out 95% of our capacity in the last few years of the PL, and would've continued to do so had we not been relegated
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Obviously not, but even in the Prem we were flirting with relegation most seasons. We’re a big Championship club with potential.

Look at Leicester, won the Prem, was in Europa league and relegated in a short period of time.

Again, the riches of the Prem come from TV rights, not ticket sales. So extending the CBS, aside from costing a lot of money, isn’t worth the costs.

We don’t even utilise the space we’ve got so this topic really is a non-starter until we do.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Mar 27, 2024
  • #165
Mucca Mad Boys said:
Obviously not, but even in the Prem we were flirting with relegation most seasons. We’re a big Championship club with potential.

Look at Leicester, won the Prem, was in Europa league and relegated in a short period of time.

Again, the riches of the Prem come from TV rights, not ticket sales. So extending the CBS, aside from costing a lot of money, isn’t worth the costs.

We don’t even utilise the space we’ve got so this topic really is a non-starter until we do.
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Probably controversial but maybe it'd be worth investing in making the media/tv facilities more attractive to broadcasters. Probably would have better RoI and would have lower costs and therefore lower risk
 
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shmmeee

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  • Mar 27, 2024
  • #166
I think if we went up and stayed up or looked like yo-yoing reliably a 42k ish ground is justified. Maybe we finally get this:

https://www.cwn.org.uk/skyblues/arena2000/images/arena2000a-w400-w259.jpg
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

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  • Mar 27, 2024
  • #167
chiefdave said:
'Sell outs' at the moment are what, about 24K home fans? Before anyone even considers expanding the ground they would look at the configuration, w
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bigfatronssba said:
The aim isn't to be in the Championship
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Same as all the other biggish midlands clubs. They don't need a 40k stadium in the premier. We're one of those. We're not as big as Forest or Leicester.
 

MalcSB

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  • Mar 27, 2024
  • #168
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Probably controversial but maybe it'd be worth investing more in making the media/tv facilities to make it attractive to broadcasters. Probably would have better RoI and would have lower costs and therefore lower risk
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The existing facilities don’t seem to have put off media/tv given the number of matches that have been moved to be televised.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Mar 27, 2024
  • #169
MalcSB said:
The existing facilities don’t seem to have put off media/tv given the number of matches that have been moved to be televised.
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No, but we've got to be thinking bigger, like PL
 

MalcSB

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  • Mar 27, 2024
  • #170
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
No, but we've got to be thinking bigger, like PL
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So what do you think will deter media when we are in the PL?
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Mar 27, 2024
  • #171
shmmeee said:
I think if we went up and stayed up or looked like yo-yoing reliably a 42k ish ground is justified. Maybe we finally get this:

https://www.cwn.org.uk/skyblues/arena2000/images/arena2000a-w400-w259.jpg
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Let’s push our average attendances above 30,000 before we get delusions of grandeur. There’s a reason Villa, Forest, Wolves, WBA, Derby and Leicester haven’t extended.
 
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SBT

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  • Mar 27, 2024
  • #172
Always entertaining to look back at the joyful response to the proposed 18-20,000 seat stadium that was “announced” not even four years ago:

New Stadium Announcement!!!!!!

www.skybluestalk.co.uk
 

shmmeee

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  • Mar 27, 2024
  • #173
Mucca Mad Boys said:
Let’s push our average attendances above 30,000 before we get delusions of grandeur. There’s a reason Villa, Forest, Wolves, WBA, Derby and Leicester haven’t extended.
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That’s been literally impossible until recent changes to the away end. I’m not 100% it’s possible now.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Mar 27, 2024
  • #174
MalcSB said:
So what do you think will deter media when we are in the PL?
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Just that we're less likely to get on the tv compared to the bigger clubs, in which case we've got to do what we can to convince them to come to our games rather than those of one of the other unfashionable, lower end teams
 

MalcSB

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  • Mar 27, 2024
  • #175
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Just that we're less likely to get on the tv compared to the bigger clubs, in which case we've got to do what we can to convince them to come to our games rather than those of one of the other unfashionable, lower end teams
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I’m not sure how facilities will encourage more tv coverage, for All I know ours may already compare favourably. Not being a lower end team would obviously help though.
 
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