Sick Boy
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The sign of a good team is winning when playing badly.
The sign of a good team is winning when playing badly.Genuinely think we’ve had maybe three decent performances under Lampard. Results have been great but we haven’t actually played that well. It’s what worries me about next season. Can you do that for a full season? Without the ten game purple patch we’d have been solidly mid table.
When I quoted this on here a few weeks ago it was rubbished by a Sunderland fan. His words were "we've spent nowhere near the amount of 'money bags' coventry this season". So either he's wrong and chatting shit, or this chart is wrong. I would say the former was wrong.
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The value of the Sunderland squad may be £140m but we haven't spent anywhere near that.
Patterson, Neil, Rigg and Watson are all Sunderland kids as is Jones who was a sub at Wembley.
Hume was about £150k and most of the squad are £1m PL rejects or foreign unknowns.
Sunderland are actually in profit after Clarke, Stewart and Watson left, we've just bought well and developed players.
It was £3.5m rising to a maximum of £5m on promotion and appearances.The value of your arrivals has been more than ours the last three years. You pay high wages and get expensive loans in. Isador at £6m would be our second most expensive player ever.
Our highest earner/wage cap is rumoured to be 25k p/w.It was £3.5m rising to a maximum of £5m on promotion and appearances.
Hardly buying our way to the PL.
The value of our arrivals now is down to good management, Isidor is now worth more than we'll have to pay.
How does our wage bill compare to Coventry's, I've no idea tbh.
Our highest earner/wage cap is rumoured to be 25k p/w.
You are paying Le Fee 67k p/w
One player doesn't represent the entire club.
A year's wages would only be £3.5m which is nothing for a player of his talent.
He was brought in to help get us to the PL and would've left if that didn't work. It was a very smart bit of business as it's earned £200m.
It's balanced by the academy lads and, in any case, we have no debt so why not.
So fairly only way to look at this is from the 23/24 season as we don’t have any reliable information apart from this (plus wage sites are a nonsense, sorry BinksIt was £3.5m rising to a maximum of £5m on promotion and appearances.
Hardly buying our way to the PL.
The value of our arrivals now is down to good management, Isidor is now worth more than we'll have to pay.
How does our wage bill compare to Coventry's, I've no idea tbh.
So fairly only way to look at this is from the 23/24 season as we don’t have any reliable information apart from this (plus wage sites are a nonsense, sorry Binks).
Sunderland latest accounts show total wages as £31.4 million. Coventrys show £23.4 Million.
Curious about your summer btw whether you’ll stick to the project or go for more experienced players
I know the argument that you will eventually return to the mean, but our purple patch occurred when we were playing a different formation and despite results being good that Lampard was looking for the first opportunity to go back to his preferred 4-3-3. After that change they dropped off a bit. May be related, may not.Genuinely think we’ve had maybe three decent performances under Lampard. Results have been great but we haven’t actually played that well. It’s what worries me about next season. Can you do that for a full season? Without the ten game purple patch we’d have been solidly mid table.
You’re top four in both. Absolutely delusional.That seems quite modest tbh, I think we're about mid-table in spending and much better in regards to debt.
Our starting eleven, at Wembley, cost less than Tom Cannon.
Our crowds obviously help and we get lots of TV coverage, etc.
I'm expecting a big American investment soon which will leave control in the current owner's hands.
That would probably bring in around £80/100m which would help.
The club have had a plan for the Championship and another for the PL so I'd expect changes but nothing major. The current ethos and team spirit is as good as I've seen it so wouldn't like that disrupted. Bellingham may leave but that's inevitable because his potential is enormous.
To be honest this not able to play against the low block thing is a fallacy for me. I think it’s more that we just weren’t quite clinical enough in lots of those games. Take both Sunderland games. We created lots of chances (beating the low block) but just didn’t take them.
To be honest this not able to play against the low block thing is a fallacy for me. I think it’s more that we just weren’t quite clinical enough in lots of those games. Take both Sunderland games. We created lots of chances (beating the low block) but just didn’t take them.
You’re top four in both. Absolutely delusional.
To be honest this not able to play against the low block thing is a fallacy for me. I think it’s more that we just weren’t quite clinical enough in lots of those games. Take both Sunderland games. We created lots of chances (beating the low block) but just didn’t take them.
Top four in debt?
As for the rest, I already said ... 'How does our wage bill compare to Coventry's, I've no idea tbh.'
You seem to be fixated with the idea that we've bought our way to the PL, now that's what I call delusional.
Our starting eleven, at Wembley, cost less than Tom Cannon.
No squad value and I’d guess wages. A 30% increase is a lot. You’re a big club I’m not sure why you play it down. 40k fans each week gives you the resources to do that and you should be at worst yoyo team or a lower Prem team IMO. Same as Leeds.
I'm not playing anything down.
My point is that we've achieved promotion by operating within our means and not by splashing the cash.
If you think it's through financial muscle that's fair enough, just different opinions.
We hardly created any clear cut chances. Even the ones we scored were crosses under challenge.To be honest this not able to play against the low block thing is a fallacy for me. I think it’s more that we just weren’t quite clinical enough in lots of those games. Take both Sunderland games. We created lots of chances (beating the low block) but just didn’t take them.
The best data we have suggests you have the third most valuable squad in the division and a wage bill roughly 30% higher than ours (which TBF is low). You guys like to play this woe betrodden role but you’re bigger than most Championship clubs. It’s just a bit weird most clubs at our level are pretending they’re bigger than they are. At least Leeds are cunts about it.
I must have been watching two different games. Don’t care about xg. But I can recall really good chances across the two legs for Wright, Sheaf, Rudoni, Kitching, Mason-Clark and Saka. Some multiple.
And?
I'm far from feeling downtrodden, we're a good club that's run well and has good support.
But I don't go around thinking we're better than anyone else, you probably wouldn't like that either.
I don't see us as bigger than Coventry, Sheff Utd, Burnley, Leeds, Sheff Wed, Boro, etc.
Disagree. We created a very small number of chances (especially considering the possession we had). We just happen to have noticed them.To be honest this not able to play against the low block thing is a fallacy for me. I think it’s more that we just weren’t quite clinical enough in lots of those games. Take both Sunderland games. We created lots of chances (beating the low block) but just didn’t take them.
It was an extravagant gamble that very few clubs in the division could afford to even think about. It looks great in hindsight thanks to a couple of stoppage time goals, but "smart business" it was not.A year's wages would only be £3.5m which is nothing for a player of his talent.
He was brought in to help get us to the PL and would've left if that didn't work. It was a very smart bit of business as it's earned £200m.
The extent to which people want to overhaul our playing style based off two highly-charged (and extremely close!) games is way over the top imoTo be honest this not able to play against the low block thing is a fallacy for me. I think it’s more that we just weren’t quite clinical enough in lots of those games. Take both Sunderland games. We created lots of chances (beating the low block) but just didn’t take them.
The extent to which people want to overhaul our playing style based off two highly-charged (and extremely close!) games is way over the top imo
Which ones?We slipped to 15th in the away form table and didn't win an away league game after the beginning of March.
Several of those games were against team sitting deep.
Which ones?
It was an extravagant gamble that very few clubs in the division could afford to even think about.
It looks great in hindsight thanks to a couple of stoppage time goals, but "smart business" it was not.
I agree with you, I just think a lot of the chatter in the wake of the Sunderland games (Sell Haji Wright! Sign Oli McBurnie!) is over the top considering they were two games that we were extremely unfortunate not to win, let alone get anything out of.Derby, Plymouth and even at Sheff U we had more possesion and they constantly caught us on the break.
At Hull, even though we should have won,they managed to tale advantage of our high line.
Bear in mind we won 4 of our previous 5 away with a different set up so people aren't questioning it based on 2 games, but I think you know that.
I agree with you, I just think a lot of the chatter in the wake of the Sunderland games (Sell Haji Wright! Sign Oli McBurnie!) is over the top considering they were two games that we were extremely unfortunate not to win, let alone get anything out of.
I am personally relaxed about the prospect of teams playing the low block against us every week, because despite the aforementioned poor performances I still think that over the course of 46 games we're more likely to win those games than lose them.
Most teams in the division can't afford to spend £2 million for what will more often than not be a short-term rental. The comparisons to Grimes (here for another three years) and Cannon (parachute payments ahoy) don't apply here.It only cost a couple of million, half of what you paid for Grimes ... money well spent and very smart imo.
Sheff Utd spent five times that on Cannon and he was hopeless.
If you think that's all he did there's no point discussing it tbh and, btw, stoppage time goals got you to the playoffs.
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