skybluebeduff
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This deserves its own thread just for what is written above.
This deserves its own thread just for what is written above.the intention of the SCG is good but in practice if fails, and it fails because very few of its members represent or canvass the fans in general. It all seems a bit self important and as a body impotent. They seem very comfortable in their own importance doing nothing. There are good people on there like those involved in the JSB's but others like Strange contribute what exactly. If this is a meeting shop just to discuss match day issues then keep it at that and take away the pompous statements the Chairperson repeatedly keeps making. Just out of interest when Mr Strange makes his contribution on things like CWR does he make clear that what he spouts is his own thoughts or does it some how get to be allowed as the feelings of the fans group the SCG. I would have thought media appearances and content should have to be approved by the group ?
Waste of a good idea because it has been hijacked by self interest and self importance
the interesting bit for the fans is probably this ......
"RS highlighted that in the last meeting it was stated that Mowbray would have the same budget as last year; but it seems he has not received any of the James Maddison transfer money and that Turnbull was acquired with the money from the Vincelot sale. The manager is having to rely on free transfers, loans – and the academy kids who shouldn’t have to play week in, week out. RS feels the manager doesn’t have the tools to work with and feels the budget is too low.
TF responded to this by saying the club has to be self-sustainable and we need to keep it going and moving forward, without putting ourselves in a dangerous financial position. The playing budget is not in the 10% for the league but it is what it can be. We would love to have a big budget but we don’t have the revenues to match the costs. We do what we can with the means we have got. We have the disadvantage of not owning our own stadium and our only meaningful revenue coming from ticketing and retail. TF has discussed the situation with Mowbray. The first team are currently underperforming; this is deeply disappointing. It is felt they should be doing better. There has been an impact due to inflation in football players’ wages, average players are on high wages, and also the change in the loan system. We have lost players (Fleck and Cole) who we were unable to keep. There also have been players we sold or released, which were football decisions, not financial. The board trust the management to make the right decisions"
DD also sent an email regarding the Vincelot, Maddison and Sambou funds (which was sent on behalf of the forum he is part of) and asked if these funds have been made available to the squad. CA referred back to what was said earlier in the meeting about the club being self-sustainable. He stated that money is not taken out of the club. The recent figures floating around about Maddison have been over-inflated. We signed thirteen players over the summer. We have the makings of a good team that includes kids who are representing their local city and we want to be a club which brings through our youngsters. We don’t want to have to sell our players but sometimes we need to. We also have a great commercial team and are on top of ticketing now. We need the negativity to stop
That doesn't read like we have the same budget as last year, but it has the same excuses. It also hints that transfer monies are not available to TM. Just a thought but ticket income at CCFC is greater than many of the teams we compete against which softens the lack of F&B (which has substantial costs too), It also seems to confirm that the owners are not providing further funds. As for CA's comments - we had to sign 13 players because of the number of players we let go so 13 is no badge of honour, wasn't CA the one who was saying that the sale of Maddison guaranteed the future of CCFC for the coming seasons................
Until this group starts to represent fans and not themselves then there is little point in its being ................. that doesn't mean it has to campaign on anything, but it does have to represent fans in general not individuals. It needs to be led by someone interested in the club and representing fans as a whole not themselves.
Just my opinion to which I am entitled
I have looked again at the 'offending' summary by Jan. It's here: http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threads/scg-meeting.66351/page-4#post-1124904
Although the SCG WAS Basically a Trust initiative it is time the Trust left this group
I only quoted OSB's postGood contributions from oldskyblue58 and skybluebeduff. Well reasoned and we'll written....respect.
Now then. Is it true that TM is LessRead's lovechild?
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So the meetings that are help to enable communication between the fans and the club are now confidential. If they're taking things out of the minutes before they publish them I could have done without the first couple of sections.The only reason attendees and guests are so open at meetings is that they know they will have an opportunity to visit the minutes. Club representatives have shared information with us on the premise that they have the opportunity to remove any commercially sensitive material.
CA added that it can only work if the people representing the club who attend these meetings feel that what they are saying is being treated in confidence.
My mistake, seems its not for the benefit of supporters at all, just a means for the chosen few to have a cosy chat with the like of Joy and Tim.We are a representative group of individual supporters consulting on matters of mutual interest and concern to both the football club and all who follow it. We provide a link between individuals, organisations or demographic groups and the club. Every member of an organisation or group, however, does not necessarily share the same views. That is why this is primarily a Supporters' Consultative Group, not a Supporters Organisations' Consultative Group.
Good contributions from oldskyblue58 and skybluebeduff. Well reasoned and we'll written....respect.
Now then. Is it true that TF is LessRead's lovechild?
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Give it a rest Grendel ffsI'm just amazed how you multi task - typing while on your knees to Nicky Eastwood. It's very admirable.
So the meetings that are help to enable communication between the fans and the club are now confidential. If they're taking things out of the minutes before they publish them I could have done without the first couple of sections.
My mistake, seems its not for the benefit of supporters at all, just a means for the chosen few to have a cosy chat with the like of Joy and Tim.
What an embarrassment this group is. Said before it needs shutting down and replacing with something that properly represents each section of the fanbase with everyone having the opportunity to stand for election to represent their group.
Of the few bits of information that us mere mortals were permitted to see it was interesting to see we get nothing from F&B, and in the case of corporate have to top up a minimum spend if there's a shortfall.
Good to see something finally happening on transport. The reality at the moment is for most car is the only viable option, would be good to see alternative options being made available.
From what is said here and by Mowbray it seems our budget is around the same but as other clubs are spending more we are now lower down the league in terms of size of budget.
Anyone know what's been changed in the tunnel?
Yes, he is.He's easily offended if he considers that confidential
Goo on...people shouldn't upset Strange as he has a novel way of dealing with things he doesn't like - see Rick gekoski's book!!!
sure he's the guy who sent a journalist (who wrote a disparaging article about City) a copy of the article after he had used it to wipe his arseGoo on...
I'm just amazed how you multi task - typing while on your knees to Nicky Eastwood. It's very admirable.[/QUOTe
Another meaningless little party heard from. Thanks for your contribution too GrendullardI'm just amazed how you multi task - typing while on your knees to Nicky Eastwood. It's very admirable.
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Approval of minutes and confidentiality is pretty normal
Whose these Strange guy? Comes across as a pompous wanker from those minutes.
Please tell more?people shouldn't upset Strange as he has a novel way of dealing with things he doesn't like - see Rick gekoski's book!!!
Just proves he's full of shit.Please tell more?
Rick Gekoski reported in his fly on the wall book about city in 9798 that a journo called Jasper Rees had done an article entitled 'what is the point of coventry city?'. Gekoski reports that Mr Strange wiped his bum on a copy of the article and posted it to the journo who promptly retired from writing about football.
Rick Gekoski reported in his fly on the wall book about city in 9798 that a journo called Jasper Rees had done an article entitled 'what is the point of coventry city?'. Gekoski reports that Mr Strange wiped his bum on a copy of the article and posted it to the journo who promptly retired from writing about football.
Page 29What page is this on (the account in the book, not the shit covered newspaper!)
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