clint van damme
Well-Known Member
Well that's true, but we dont do we?
I'm not sure draconian measures work anyway but I'm sure prevention would.
Look at the Philipines, as draconian as can be and an absolute madhouse.
They're not mutually exclusive. You can put time and resources into prevention whilst still giving out 'draconian' (proportionate) sentences
You can also put in more prevention to cut down giving out sentences. Draconian or not.They're not mutually exclusive. You can put time and resources into prevention whilst still giving out 'draconian' (proportionate) sentences
That's right Tony, it was a serious post. I really thought you'd solved it. Ah well, back to the drawing board I guess.Do you ever stop and think before you post? Who do you think trawls through the CCTV, phone data etc? Police officers by any chance? By the way when policing budgets get cut it’s not just officers on the street it’s also things like forensics. The rise in cases getting to court over the last ten years without completed forensic evidence for the prosecution due to budget cuts has skyrocketed.
no clue mate. but I'm not planning to move there so I'd rather we got a grip on crime here tbhSingapore is one of the safest places in tbe world to walk the streets. Why?
I don't really have any experience of prison thankfully but it certainly doesn't seem to work as a deterrent so the punishment aspect of it doesn't really seem to work. And the rehabilitation side of it doesn't seem to work eitherI'm saying prison as it stands isn't enough punishment . Make it harder, make it longer, less willingness to risk reoffending and going back.
no clue mate. but I'm not planning to move there so I'd rather we got a grip on crime here tbh
Would it surprise you that in many establishments through lack of staff that many prisoners are in their cell for 23 hours a day??Tv, games, recreation time.
Basic diet no treats no rewards, fo your sentence and never want to come back.
Happy to keep the remuneration they earn for menial work to help them start over when they're out, which should be something they look forward to.
Yes I understand what a day is like.
Wow what is my system? @Grendel?im not even taking death penalty but the Singapore system is the exact opposite of what @Sky Blue Pete advocates and it’s the safest place I have ever visited
Surely they get some time out for some religious nutjob to visit them and tell them they still believe they can offer much to society otherwise you'd have no point going.Would it surprise you that in many establishments through lack of staff that many prisoners are in their cell for 23 hours a day??
I really don’t think you do understand.
The prison I volunteer at is a training prison and does some very creative things. As I say spend a few days there and you wouldn’t be the worse off. The problem is multi faceted and will require a number of joined up solutionsI don't really have any experience of prison thankfully but it certainly doesn't seem to work as a deterrent so the punishment aspect of it doesn't really seem to work. And the rehabilitation side of it doesn't seem to work either
Not sure what the answer is but it certainly seems the current system isn't working in any way you measure it
Wow!! Nope in many establishments there aren’t the staff. Chaplains are members of staff. I am an independent volunteerSurely they get some time out for some religious nutjob to visit them and tell them they still believe they can offer much to society otherwise you'd have no point going.
See, we can all be condescending cunts
Sorry if you thought unpacking your suggestions was condescending. Talk me through how you manage 1000 men when they have nothing to doSurely they get some time out for some religious nutjob to visit them and tell them they still believe they can offer much to society otherwise you'd have no point going.
See, we can all be condescending cunts
The condescending part was telling me I didn't understand having already asked. You seem to think a few hours volunteering makes you an expert. Dad spent the last 10 years of his working life as a prison guard mainly at a young offenders sometimes adults, but for G4 rather than directly employed, so I think through him I have some basic knowledge, albeit he was far too soft and they often took advantage.Sorry if you thought unpacking your suggestions was condescending. Talk me through how you manage 1000 men when they have nothing to do
You sure you’re just not recounting an episode of Porridge?The condescending part was telling me I didn't understand having already asked. You seem to think a few hours volunteering makes you an expert. Dad spent the last 10 years of his working life as a prison guard mainly at a young offenders sometimes adults, but for G4 rather than directly employed, so I think through him I have some basic knowledge, albeit he was far too soft and they often took advantage.
Sorry again genuinelyThe condescending part was telling me I didn't understand having already asked. You seem to think a few hours volunteering makes you an expert. Dad spent the last 10 years of his working life as a prison guard mainly at a young offenders sometimes adults, but for G4 rather than directly employed, so I think through him I have some basic knowledge, albeit he was far too soft and they often took advantage.
I’m told, as this was debated when cctv as a solution was talked about. Singapore is a police state and I’m sure that would reduce crime but I’m also sure that I and probably you don’t want to live in a society like thatim not even taking death penalty but the Singapore system is the exact opposite of what @Sky Blue Pete advocates and it’s the safest place I have ever visited
And I know as my wife and her colleagues went into rainsbrook that there was great work done there as well. It’s probably where Clint makes great points about prevention and spending money there.Now that we're on a level, what I can say is that some of the kids came from such shit homes that they looked forward to a spell inside where they got fed and weren't abused, heartbreaking. Unfortunately more of them were simply cunts that would be in and out of institutions and constantly fought the system and authority.
I’m told, as this was debated when cctv as a solution was talked about. Singapore is a police state and I’m sure that would reduce crime but I’m also sure that I and probably you don’t want to live in a society like that
Ok I don’tYou make an assumption that rehabilitation versus extreme treatment of criminals makes streets safer. It in my experience doesn’t
Ok I don’t
The only opinion I have is that if someone will be released we should do something while they are locked up that makes them understand the impact of their actions and minimises their risk to society when they are released.
No problem with whole life tarrifs and sentences in line with the damage caused
No problem that some people don’t deserve to be released
Just readingHaving visited there no that’s not my experience at all - it’s an incredibly free and lineal place
Just checked. Singapore has almost 4 times the number of police per 100k people than England and Wales has and well over double what Scotland and Northern Ireland has. Probably has something to do with why it’s one of the safest places to walk the streets.I’m told, as this was debated when cctv as a solution was talked about. Singapore is a police state and I’m sure that would reduce crime but I’m also sure that I and probably you don’t want to live in a society like that
Think about that as an intelligent sentient human being and then try again.Then don’t release any of them or make them so despised by society they will never offend again rather than tea and sympathy - they deserve nothing and every public penny spent should be on the victims who have ultimately a life sentence
Just reading
So would you be in favour of the state being free to arrest and imprison someone without trial?
There are many ways you ban spin a debate. For density of population doesn’t Singapore have a very low crime rate? Also Japan?
As Clint says there is no one solution and what works in Japan and Singapore and Denmark and Sweden wouldn’t work hereThe BBC did an article on Japan a couple of days ago, having a bit of a pop for not embracing mass immigration.
Japan was the future but it's stuck in the past
The so-called lost decade has now stretched to three. What went wrong, asks Rupert Wingfield-Hayes.www.bbc.co.uk
Further down it talks about how Japan is a really peaceful country with 'the lowest murder rate in the world'.
Think about that as an intelligent sentient human being and then try again.
Yeah we doWe just disagree. Honestly genuinely I’d rather give a dog who has bit someone that a man whose raped a woman a second chance
The BBC did an article on Japan a couple of days ago, having a bit of a pop for not embracing mass immigration.
Japan was the future but it's stuck in the past
The so-called lost decade has now stretched to three. What went wrong, asks Rupert Wingfield-Hayes.www.bbc.co.uk
Further down it talks about how Japan is a really peaceful country with 'the lowest murder rate in the world'.
Yeah we do
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