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  • Start date Aug 7, 2020
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wingy

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  • Aug 7, 2020
  • #71
Is it mostly related to the current crisis.
Is there any variability within it. . would it increase annually?
 
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ccfcricoh

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  • Aug 7, 2020
  • #72
Does anyone know what our current wage bill is roughly out of interest?
 
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CCFC88

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  • Aug 7, 2020
  • #73
People will always find ways to bend the rules until they eventually break. Backhanders, shares, bonds etc will top up wages.

See Saracens
 

Skyblueweeman

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  • Aug 7, 2020
  • #74
Nick said:
It also means that a lower end championship club could easily outbid on wages for top end league one players.
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Yeah, was just thinking that as well and joking with a mate (Pompey fan) that we'll be able to take Curtis off their hands now
 
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SBT

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  • Aug 7, 2020
  • #75


These are the most recent wage bills I could find. Seems to suggest either something is wrong with the way Swiss Ramble (who are usually very good) are calculating the numbers, a misunderstanding of the EFL's methodology, or massive cost-cutting on the horizon on a scale that no-one has contemplated yet.

The transition agreements are also interesting - it's going to be a long time before teams are going to be forced to ship off players left right and centre:

Any contract entered into on or prior to today’s vote will be capped at an agreed divisional average until that contract expires. Moving forwards, Clubs that are relegated will be permitted to cap all contracts at the divisional average prior to the Club’s relegation until those contracts expire.
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This has the potential to be huge, but something tells me that (much like FFP) it's not going to be the historic shift some are making it out to be.
 
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wingy

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  • Aug 7, 2020
  • #76
SBT said:


These are the most recent wage bills I could find. Seems to suggest either something is wrong with the way Swiss Ramble (who are usually very good) are calculating the numbers, a misunderstanding of the EFL's methodology, or massive cost-cutting on the horizon on a scale that no-one has contemplated yet.

The transition agreements are also interesting - it's going to be a long time before teams are going to be forced to ship off players left right and centre:



This has the potential to be huge, but something tells me that (much like FFP) it's not going to be the historic shift some are making it out to be.
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I'm guessing that table equates to all wages across the Club.
Not just players.
 
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SBT

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  • Aug 7, 2020
  • #77
wingy said:
I'm guessing that table equates to all wages across the Club.
Not just players.
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Those are some well-paid groundstaff in that case!
 
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wingy

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  • Aug 7, 2020
  • #78
SBT said:
Those are some well-paid groundstaff in that case!
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Things like the academy are significant additional costs .
Used to be £1.2,M s few years back.
 
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Happy_Martian

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  • Aug 7, 2020
  • #79
If it only stays with League 1 and 2 and if the Championship rejects this, I can really see this being the defining decision for the full move to a Premiership II.
 

tisza

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  • Aug 7, 2020
  • #80
PFA going to challenge it as"unlawful". not that big a surprise.
 
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Broken Hearted Sky Blue

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  • Aug 7, 2020
  • #81
tisza said:
PFA going to challenge it as"unlawful". not that big a surprise.
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Wonder what they’ll do when a lot of their members are out of work
 

tisza

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  • Aug 7, 2020
  • #82
Broken Hearted Sky Blue said:
Wonder what they’ll do when a lot of their members are out of work
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Gordon Taylor will have to take a paycut
 
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Frostie

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  • Aug 7, 2020
  • #83
Any news on which way we voted?

I know it was;
16 in favour
7 against
1 abstention
 
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Broken Hearted Sky Blue

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  • Aug 7, 2020
  • #84
tisza said:
Gordon Taylor will have to take a paycut
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Now you know that’s not going to happen
 
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Speedies_Chips

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  • Aug 7, 2020
  • #85
Frostie said:
Any news on which way we voted?

I know it was;
16 in favour
7 against
1 abstention
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We're not a league 1 club are we?
 

Frostie

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  • Aug 7, 2020
  • #86
Speedies_Chips said:
We're not a league 1 club are we?
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Us, Rotherham & Wycombe were included in the vote rather than the relegated Championship sides - daft but true.
 
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hill83

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  • Aug 7, 2020
  • #87
Nick said:
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Only just got this after 5 hours.
 
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Speedies_Chips

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  • Aug 7, 2020
  • #88
Frostie said:
Us, Rotherham & Wycombe were included in the vote rather than the relegated Championship sides - daft but true.
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Blimey, that doesnt make sense at all. I expect we voted for the proposal. Best make sure we dont get relegated now!
 

Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Aug 7, 2020
  • #89
hill83 said:
Only just got this after 5 hours.
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RegTheDonk

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  • Aug 7, 2020
  • #90
I expect the Prem will like a Cap in the Championship...may give them an excuse to keep the parachue payments.
 
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TewkesburySkyBlue

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  • Aug 9, 2020
  • #91
Sorry if this had already been explained but can anybody tell me how the ‘squad’ is calculated ? Is it just the first team squad ? Thanks
 

Frostie

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  • Feb 9, 2021
  • #92
Scrapped as EFL had introduced it unlawfully
What a shit show.

 

tisza

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  • Feb 9, 2021
  • #93
Frostie said:
Scrapped as EFL had introduced it unlawfully
What a shit show.

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Kicking the can down the road. how anyone can look at Championship finances and think it's acceptable is just ridiculous. PFA isn't going to surrender the current money players get paid and so their share of it.
 

shmmeee

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  • Feb 9, 2021
  • #94
The PFA can piss off.
 

chiefdave

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  • Feb 9, 2021
  • #95
Frostie said:
Scrapped as EFL had introduced it unlawfully
What a shit show.

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On the face of it a ridiculously short sighted decision. We wait years for football to make any attempt to sort out the financial mess its in and as soon as anything is done you've got the likes of the PFA trying to get it reversed.
 

Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Feb 9, 2021
  • #96
Idiots - it was to protect clubs lower down the leagues, to help prevent further Bury FCs but the PFA have forgotten about the 'greater good' Shame.
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chiefdave

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  • Feb 9, 2021
  • #97
Sky Blue Harry H said:
Idiots - it was to protect clubs lower down the leagues, to help prevent further Bury FCs but the PFA have forgotten about the 'greater good' Shame.
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And it will be the fans of the clubs who happily outspend everyone else without a care about the consequences who will be celebrating this and urging their owners to get the cheque book out even though we're in a pandemic. Wouldn't surprise me to see the likes of Sunderland and Portsmouth trying to get the transfer windows reopened.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Feb 9, 2021
  • #98
Oh dear. It was a good move by the EFL to implement salary caps - although I did think they should have been indicative of turnover. The majority of other sports have caps in some form or another, why not football?

The PFA are mindless fools who can't see beyond their nose. They claim to act in best interests of players, yet their actions have just put clubs at further risk.

Interesting to see what the next steps will be for the EFL.
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 9, 2021
  • #99
tisza said:
Kicking the can down the road. how anyone can look at Championship finances and think it's acceptable is just ridiculous. PFA isn't going to surrender the current money players get paid and so their share of it.
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The whole idea was ridiculous - how can you legally dictate the spend of a private company on an aspect of its business. It’s bonkers. You’d have to have an agreement from all members in that sector to buy into the concept.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Feb 9, 2021
  • #100
Grendel said:
The whole idea was ridiculous - how can you legally dictate the spend of a private company on an aspect of its business. It’s bonkers. You’d have to have an agreement from all members in that sector to buy into the concept.
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It's hardly ridiculous is it as nearly every other major sport has implemented caps of sorts. They were quite clearly an important step to help ensure that clubs could operate in a more sustainable manner.

Also, they didn't dictate it. All League One and Two member clubs voted in favour of salary caps. The EFL's mistake was that they didn't cooperate with the PFA and the Professional Football Negotiating and Consultative Committee first.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Feb 9, 2021
  • #101
Grendel said:
The whole idea was ridiculous - how can you legally dictate the spend of a private company on an aspect of its business. It’s bonkers. You’d have to have an agreement from all members in that sector to buy into the concept.
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They're not - they're saying that the rules of playing in this competition are that you will adhere to a salary cap. Don't like it, don't play in the competition.
 
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Grendel

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  • Feb 9, 2021
  • #102
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
It's hardly ridiculous is it as nearly every other major sport has implemented caps of sorts. They were quite clearly an important step to help ensure that clubs could operate in a more sustainable manner.

Also, they didn't dictate it. All League One and Two member clubs voted in favour of salary caps. The EFL's mistake was that they didn't cooperate with the PFA and the Professional Football Negotiating and Consultative Committee first.
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The championship would never agree to it. You can’t have a tiered system of pay restraint. Rugby agreed it and a lot of clubs have spent a lot of energy trying to get round it.

Football is very different from a lot of sports - there’s huge divergence between clubs in terms of earnings and wealth. If we were relegated we’d be miles over our cap - so what can you do - cancel contracts of higher earners?
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 9, 2021
  • #103
fernandopartridge said:
They're not - they're saying that the rules of playing in this competition are that you will adhere to a salary cap. Don't like it, don't play in the competition.
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fine if you start A competition on that basis. Not go back in time and start something again that was booted out 50 years ago
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Feb 9, 2021
  • #104
Grendel said:
fine if you start A competition on that basis. Not go back in time and start something again that was booted out 50 years ago
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The clubs have agreed to it. Can't help but feel that a split in the game is inevitable, an expanded Premier League and a Football League with no movement between them.
 
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Grendel

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  • Feb 9, 2021
  • #105
fernandopartridge said:
The clubs have agreed to it. Can't help but feel that a split in the game is inevitable, an expanded Premier League and a Football League with no movement between them.
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Not all clubs agreed?
 
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